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"I can dig it, bro" says Romney
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redsamurai
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Do you really believe this statement? The notion that Romney is a better businessman then Obama is utterly fair, he is no questions asked. And although I do not mind Romney personally, although he is kind of a square bear, how in the world can anyone think at this point that any of these guys can do anything to our economy?
C, you gotta understand that our economy has been so complexified, is that a word? if not it is now......that only people with PhD's in mathematics can even begin to comprehend things. They're keeping us in the keynsian vs Smith argument and it's so hysterically past that it's mind numbing. The intricacies of our global banking system is what runs the economy....and i'm sorry but you'll have to look at the conservative party in this country as to who is most responsible for ingratiating us into that system to the degree we are. Our economy is dictated by people who we never elect. How do you not get that by now? Presidents either dem or rep are beholden to the people with the money. Our economy has failed because the so called job creator smarty pants guys FUCKED UP!!! Every other month that assertin is proved but fuck just last week the Libor thing happened, did you not read about that? That's how those boy operate and that's why shit went south. These guys are clowns and we're beholden to them. Again, how is that not understood at this point? What fairy tale do you have to be telling yourself that the capitalist pixies are still running the show. Everythings' being run by a group of individuals who are "vastly" overmatched by the monster they created....but they are less vastly overmatched then the rest of us which is why not many have caught on yet.
I didn't read past this point. Because you neglected to include the rest of my quote which should answer your question.
I believe I've said that with the way things are I don't think we will be able to pull out of the mess we are in. At least not until things get so bad people start rioting like in Greece, etc.
didn't he want to make some major cuts to the military? I know he served and he says national defense is the main function of federal gov't, but I am pretty sure he talked about making major cuts to the defense budget and downsizing military.
He wants to close every military base all around the world except for bases in the US. We would lose some strategic positions if that happened. And what would happen when all the troops came home? With nothing to do they'd have to go on extended leave and then what? In this economy...find jobs? I guess private security overseas maybe? But certainly not contracted by our gov't.
redsamurai
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you are correct on all counts. He wants to close the useless money sucking bases we have in places like okinawa where the troops already do nothing but get into trouble. Places like the DMZ in Korea I think he would leave for the time being. But yeah probably 80% of our bases would be closed, and they should be. The troops can come home and actually do something useful like maybe secure our borders??? Maybe do something in Mexico which is blowing up right now but we're more concerned with the fucking middle east only because Israel is there. We have a southern border that's going up in flames but the middle east is more important.....makes sense right? We don't belong as the worlds policeman and never did. Having bases in Germany, why? Italy, why?
I think we could close some of them and move out of certain areas, but others are strategic points for us that could be important deterrents against future possible attacks. It could be argued that they are no longer necessary, but could they be necessary again in the future? And if so, once we move out it's not like we'd be able to just move back in.
true. The problem is none of them are feeling it at all...yet.
redsamurai
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u have to understand that at this point it's american imperialism and it doesn't sit well with anybody anymore. And it's too damn much money. Who cares if we can't just move back in....it was extraordinary circumstances that prompted us in there in the first place. If those circumstances re occur than we'll deal with it then. The Okinawans have been "over it" now for 2-3 decades. American servicemen there do not have a good reputation with the locals. The only bases we should have around the world are in hotspots where our soldiers are not idle. It's the places like Germany, Italy and Japan where our boys get in trouble....gee wonder why, there's nothing to do. The DMZ has been a powder keg for 40 years, I agree with troops there...and that's just about it. The mid east bases can stay for the time being becuase we have ongoing operations there, but as soon as they are over those bases have to gtfo. Keeping U.S soldiers in middle east bases where if it's peacetime there is utterly fuck all to do because they can't really go off base and do anything cool.
Sounds like we pretty much agree then. You just spelled it out in detail. So what do I have to understand again?
What about Turkey? Might be good to maintain some presence in the ME for a while at least.
I was thinking of the ones outside the US. I think RP talked about closing all bases outside the US and having at least one base in every state? I don't recall exactly, but I know he was talking about securing the borders with troops.
Either way there will be job losses, because if we close bases overseas and the military peeps come back here I don't think we'd have enough work for them. We'd have to go start another war! LOL!
Actually, what if we took the people from the bases we closed and moved more troops into the war zones to end that shit a little quicker. We've been there so long I think the powers that be don't ever want to end the war(s).
redsamurai
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Yup, gotta protect the Zionist Jews and fund their holy war. Which is ironic seeing as how it seems now that American Jews could probably care less. It's really not surprising on some occasions though, considering someone like Hitler himself didn't have nearly as much a problem with Zionist Jews as the ones in his land. In fact he once actually made a little agreement with them.
I'm trying to think if I ever read that in public school. Hmmmm....no, not ringing a bell.
American Jewry will increasingly have to decide between two mutually exclusive options. The first is to jettison its professed liberal values. In the Israeli context this has been the route taken by the likes of historian Benny Morris. After having gone some distance towards dispelling the mythology and exposing the underside of Israel’s founding, Morris has now proceeded to declare, “There are cases in which the overall final good justifies harsh and cruel acts that are committed in the course of history.” In an earlier epoch apologists for Stalin’s Russia dutifully recited that standby of “breaking eggs to make an omelet.”
-from the Ideology section on page 2.
I do love omelets though I must say.
And perhaps the most revealing part of the article is its written by a Jew himself. Unless there are some non-Jewish Finkelsteins out there.
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Do liberals really believe everyone loves and respects us enough to never attack if the need ever arose? I guess this issue really hinges on if one thinks that "world peace" is a realistic goal, or that conflict will inevitably always arise for one reason or another. Which is a bigger part of our human nature? Historically speaking I think we know the answer.
RS dont know shit about the military bro. I wouldnt quote him.
ALL the over seas troops in those bases deploy to the war zones... FREQUENTLY. The bases in Japan/Germany/Africa/UAE/S.K. get deployed the most (its way cheaper ).
They call them "fwd deployed units" so they have an excuse to let them have more deploy time per year. And higher frequency of deployments.
Moving troops and families into IRQ/AFG, not a good idea in my book. You have to remember, those dozens of bases have 10,000's of families also.
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RS = You show me a military town where the Service members dont get in trouble, I'll show you a town of empty people. Its like asking for a city with no crime. The military has normal people in it. The same people that wouod be crimiminals if they didnt enlist/commission.
Usless base in Okinawa? Ever been there? You know how often those Marines deploy?
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Usless base in Okinawa? Ever been there? You know how often those Marines deploy?
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redsamurai
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yes it is absolutely useless unless you care about the projection of U.S imperialism, is that you?
Japan is a sovereign country we have no issue with anymore. And those marines can deploy from anywhere on the globe. Our military is such that we can project immeasurable force anywhere on the globe practically overnight. In fact i think we do best like that...it's the long stop and chats we don't do well. Did I make myself out to be an expert on military affairs? No...but what I know is that each one of those overseas bases costs us a fucking shitload of money. Japan has to foot part of the bill for Okiniwa and it still costs us closing in on 1B. Dude we have over 700 overseas bases, gimme a fucking break. I wouldn't even really mind Okiniwa that much if it was like one of a handful of overseas bases. But 700? C'mon...I don't need to be an expert in military affairs to see we're shitting money there. We don't have the money for this, period.
Yokuska
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and i think 2 more bases there.
How long does it take for a naval CAG or Marine Battalion to go from Japan to N Korea or the Middle east? Vice traveling from Hawaii? I can tell you its a hell of a lot faster.
Magical force of Overnight shit is a pipe dream. Everything is planned.
Only thing we can do overnight is fly a jet bomber. Not have any Crushing force.
Shock and Awe in the Iraq war was months in the making. the entire thing took a couple hours of actual bombing, but dozens of hours of flight in a type of ballet. to keep the bombs dropping.
Now spending the chit ton of money, fuck yes we are. BUT you sleep in your bed at night while those guys go out on patrol at night and sleep in dirt with a MRE. They sit on boats for months and months doing circles and squares eating shitty food and drinking shity water. waiting for the word to launch birds or hunt for mines, protect the Carrier. ECT ECT.
There are NOT 700 actual bases bro. there may be outposts but not 700 actual bases. There are about 5-600 bases and some small outposts that have .
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redsamurai
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well 600 would still be too many but i just looked up several sites that gave the same 703 number. I'm saying a handful is excessive.
And i'm sorry but i don't need some poor guy to be sleeping in a hole in some god forsaken part of the ME to feel safe at night. Those guys aren't safe guarded us, they're safeguarding american corporate and political interestes which have become so far fucking removed from normalicy it is beyond a rational converation. This is power politics that has been going on for millenia....has utterly nothing to do with "us" anymore. You know what Brown, I'd feel more comfortable is those guys were back here patrolling the messican border, in case you haven't noticed what's goin on over there......real talk homie, we need to keep that shit from coming here. That's more of a threat to us right now than any turban jockeys
And i'm sorry but i don't need some poor guy to be sleeping in a hole in some god forsaken part of the ME to feel safe at night. Those guys aren't safe guarded us, they're safeguarding american corporate and political interestes which have become so far fucking removed from normalicy it is beyond a rational converation. This is power politics that has been going on for millenia....has utterly nothing to do with "us" anymore. You know what Brown, I'd feel more comfortable is those guys were back here patrolling the messican border, in case you haven't noticed what's goin on over there......real talk homie, we need to keep that shit from coming here. That's more of a threat to us right now than any turban jockeys
So with your decades of National Defense Experience, how many bases does the US need to be effective? What actual experience do you have with military affairs and how it works?
And What constitutes a base? Because the Army can throw up some fences and build a few buildings in a couple weeks.
Do you realize that America has 5 military branches that do different things right? And dropping some Coasties on the border is retarded
Do you realize that the National Guard is for home issues right?
Do you realize that there is a Border Patrol agency?
Do you realize that half a million Sailors that work on ships have no business trying to run security patrols in the Texas/NM/AZ dessert.
And last time i checked, the Mexicans haven't vowed death to all America. So uuumm yea.
The Idea that we close our eyes to world affairs and start dropping our strategic advantage over every and any possible enemy is absurd.
And since you dont already know this. Bases have been closing down faster than they are made since the 90's. Its called the Base Realignment and Closure commission(BRAC).
And What constitutes a base? Because the Army can throw up some fences and build a few buildings in a couple weeks.
Do you realize that America has 5 military branches that do different things right? And dropping some Coasties on the border is retarded
Do you realize that the National Guard is for home issues right?
Do you realize that there is a Border Patrol agency?
Do you realize that half a million Sailors that work on ships have no business trying to run security patrols in the Texas/NM/AZ dessert.
And last time i checked, the Mexicans haven't vowed death to all America. So uuumm yea.
The Idea that we close our eyes to world affairs and start dropping our strategic advantage over every and any possible enemy is absurd.
And since you dont already know this. Bases have been closing down faster than they are made since the 90's. Its called the Base Realignment and Closure commission(BRAC).
redsamurai
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