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"I can dig it, bro" says Romney
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I fucking loathe that man. What I loathe even more are the amount of STOOPID 'merikuns that believe the shit that spews from his pie hole. And no...I have no love for the current criminal occupying the Executive Office either.
so choose the lesser of two evils.
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move to Greece
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get the fuck outta here
talk such as that doesn't fix problems
you are the problem
talk such as that doesn't fix problems
you are the problem
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spartacus and some nancy
Mitt probably wasn't my first choice, but I don't see how someone could "loathe" him so much.
Mitt graduated cum laude from Harvard Law School and graduated in the top 5% of Harvard Business School in the same year, a dual JD/MBA program. He's certainly no dummy. Pretty sure his academic records aren't sealed either.
As governor of Mass, he eliminated a $1.5 Billion deficit, and the state began to run surpluses of $600+ Million his last two years as governor. 'Merica sure could use some of that know-how!
In about the space of a year he turned around Bain & Co. as their CEO, bringing them out of a financial crisis too. In a year. Oh, he took a salary of one dollar as CEO of Bain & Co. I mean who could possibly like him?
At Bain Capital (which he co-founded), he took a tiny little one store office supply company and turned it into Staples. Staples now has over 2,000 locations in 26 countries and employs over 90,000 people. Some of the biggest and most well known businesses around have Mitt to thank, in part, for their success as well. Sounds like he sure knows how to create some jobs! The rat bastard.
He was offered to take the position of CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games Committee, gave away his $1.4 million salary as to charity. He also donated another million dollars to the Olympics that year. More obvious reasons to hate the man.
When Mitt's father died, Mitt gave away his inheritance. He gives between 15-20% of his earnings to charities, more than he pays in taxes on his capital gains income. Liberals cry about his low 15% tax rate, but that is from capital gains from investments he made many years ago and it's all perfectly legal. Oh yeah, he MADE his money. Lots of it. He wasn't standing in line with his hand out expecting anyone to give him anything, he worked hard for and earned his own money. That right there is an increasingly popular reason to hate a man these days.
Let's not forget he has stayed with his wife and remained faithful to her through serious medical issues and raised 5 sons who also seem to be pretty decent citizens. I mean who does shit like that these days? The man goes to church, teaches Sunday school, doesn't drink, smoke, or do drugs, is a patriotic and proud citizen of the US who has been successful in business and in government.
Fuck that shit, let's go give the inexperienced community organizer another go at running the country into the ground. He's at least half way there already.
Mitt graduated cum laude from Harvard Law School and graduated in the top 5% of Harvard Business School in the same year, a dual JD/MBA program. He's certainly no dummy. Pretty sure his academic records aren't sealed either.
As governor of Mass, he eliminated a $1.5 Billion deficit, and the state began to run surpluses of $600+ Million his last two years as governor. 'Merica sure could use some of that know-how!
In about the space of a year he turned around Bain & Co. as their CEO, bringing them out of a financial crisis too. In a year. Oh, he took a salary of one dollar as CEO of Bain & Co. I mean who could possibly like him?
At Bain Capital (which he co-founded), he took a tiny little one store office supply company and turned it into Staples. Staples now has over 2,000 locations in 26 countries and employs over 90,000 people. Some of the biggest and most well known businesses around have Mitt to thank, in part, for their success as well. Sounds like he sure knows how to create some jobs! The rat bastard.
He was offered to take the position of CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games Committee, gave away his $1.4 million salary as to charity. He also donated another million dollars to the Olympics that year. More obvious reasons to hate the man.
When Mitt's father died, Mitt gave away his inheritance. He gives between 15-20% of his earnings to charities, more than he pays in taxes on his capital gains income. Liberals cry about his low 15% tax rate, but that is from capital gains from investments he made many years ago and it's all perfectly legal. Oh yeah, he MADE his money. Lots of it. He wasn't standing in line with his hand out expecting anyone to give him anything, he worked hard for and earned his own money. That right there is an increasingly popular reason to hate a man these days.
Let's not forget he has stayed with his wife and remained faithful to her through serious medical issues and raised 5 sons who also seem to be pretty decent citizens. I mean who does shit like that these days? The man goes to church, teaches Sunday school, doesn't drink, smoke, or do drugs, is a patriotic and proud citizen of the US who has been successful in business and in government.
Fuck that shit, let's go give the inexperienced community organizer another go at running the country into the ground. He's at least half way there already.
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please do not wipe out my posts again. I don't suck dick and I'm tired of black men weeping racism
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my posts are colorful at times
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my nigger
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the black folks here don't even know
drop me into the ghettos of baltimore
and I'll hook you up
might even could arrange a credit deal with a porsche
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drop me into the ghettos of baltimore
and I'll hook you up
might even could arrange a credit deal with a porsche
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I don't even care about posture. fuck
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you want to fuck with the demon
you guys that want to be big
come
we'll walk through the valley
walk
don't run
you guys that want to be big
come
we'll walk through the valley
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don't run
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it's mighty tricky out there
so you must be sound in thought
so you must be sound in thought
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I hate this job
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perhaps you wish for a theatrical version
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Cuz we all know that there are only 2 options, right? You people have been indoctrinated. You're doing precisely what you've been told to do.
The other alternative is to give it to someone who is out of touch with the common person and will likely extend / add to the cuts to the very wealthy. Sure, he's a billionaire. He might care about other billionaires. I'm not sure he'll care about you.
It's like AvP. Whoever wins, the people lose.
Headholio
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Mitts academic records are sealed, just like every other Americans, under the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Rights Act, which applies to all students. Obama has no "seals" on his records different than anyone else.
Never tiring in my relentless pursuit to squash right wing bullshit.
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your avatar doesn't really score much intelligence points
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well fuck me
I'm not black
I'm not black
He wasn't weeping racism. I've not known DT to be someone to do that at all.
Come on Dave. Realistically? Yes. As with all of our POTUS elections there are really only two options after the primaries. Don't insult me either. Don't act like you're the only "enlightened" intelligent person here.
Maybe you are living in some kind of fantasy world where you think some write in candidate will have a shot at POTUS? Maybe you're the one who's been duped, Dave.
I'm not insulting you CEO. There are more than 2 options, but if everyone buys into the "2 option" system like we're being sold, we will continue to perpetuate the took it as an insult, I'm sorry. I simply call it like I see it. Anyone who feels that there are only 2 options has been indoctrinated. Keep in mind, I was a staunch Republican from 1978 until 2004. I look at those that buy into the system that the media/govt/corporate machine puts out as the problem. I choose to stand by my convictions as I will no longer prostitute myself. If you think I'm the one who has been duped, that is your right. I don't believe so and again, my intent was not to insult you. I will be voting for Gary Johnson. I will ask you this though, whomever you vote for...if we continue the downward spiral we're in...will you acknowledge your vote and own it? When I voted for Bush for his 2nd term, I acknowledged what a terrible mistake I had made and vowed to never make the mistake again.Come on Dave. Realistically? Yes. As with all of our POTUS elections there are really only two options after the primaries. Don't insult me either. Don't act like you're the only "enlightened" intelligent person here.
Maybe you are living in some kind of fantasy world where you think some write in candidate will have a shot at POTUS? Maybe you're the one who's been duped, Dave.
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those pyiramids
thye figured it out
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thye figured it out
come and see
The other alternative is to give it to someone who is out of touch with the common person and will likely extend / add to the cuts to the very wealthy. Sure, he's a billionaire. He might care about other billionaires. I'm not sure he'll care about you.
It's like AvP. Whoever wins, the people lose.
As governor of Mass he increased many state fees (licenses, etc.), raised a state gas tax, closed tax "loopholes" on corporations, cut state spending, and instated pretty much universal health care (with liberal, Teddy Kennedy's stamp of approval). Definitely a mean-spirited conservative. In getting Mitt as our Republican POTUS candidate, we certainly did NOT get the most conservative candidate.
Plus, he's mormon and his religion teaches and leans heavily on doing good works, visiting the sick, helping the less fortunate, etc. He spent almost 3 years as a missionary. Mormon missionaries will do anything. If you want free labor...ask a missionary. They will come and paint your house, do yardwork, put up a fence, practically anything. No conditions either. Of course they will try to share their religion with you, but if you say you aren't interested they will finish their task, ask you if you need anything else done, and when you tell them you don't need anything else done, they will move on.
I don't think Mitt is as out of touch as people would be lead to believe. He did work in the private sector and earn his own money all while raising a family. He started his family while both he and his wife were still in school.
Honestly, to get the US out of the shit we are in...many people will struggle. Many people have had it too good. Earning nothing and getting everything. Getting gov't aid while watching their new 55" LED TV, talking on their iPhone 4s, and eating Oreos, drinking beer and ordering take-out for dinner every night. All on minimum wage or less (nothing?) subsidised by the taxpayers. I don't see how America can get out of it's hole while so many people still think they deserve everything for doing nothing. And the politicians all reward them. They believe it because it's true. No, I don't think Mitt alone can fix it, but he's got a better track record than Obama at fixing broke businesses and governments. He's the better leader for the situation the country is in. Period.
and what do you think Gary Johnson's shot is at becoming POTUS? Where's he at in the polls? Ron Paul had a better chance, Dave. So if enough conservatives spread out their votes for Gary Johnson and Ron Paul and Mitt Romney and whoever else...we end up with 4 more years of BO. Nice. A vote well served sir. I'll own mine. Will you own yours? Will you admit to being another fiscal conservative that helped put BO back in office?
redsamurai
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It's common now for POTUS candidates to release their academic records. Apparently not a requirement though (Obama). How did everyone know G. W. Bush was a C student? Why do I know Romney graduated cum laude from Harvard Law and top 5% Harvard Business School and "highest honors" at BYU undergrad?
Here's some more things your buddy Barack refuses to make public:
Top Ten Things Obama Has Not Released
"Sealed" by the candidate, or "not released", "kept private"...whatever terminology you wish to use. No bullshit, just facts. Where's his academic records?
You think BO is going to help the US get out of the hole we're in? With what experience? Granted, the POTUS isn't the sole "decider" but he is the leader.
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that's such a tired old argument to bring people back into the fold. Dave if you vote for your choice of candidate, like the people who founded this country kind of sort of intended...you'll be responsible for another 4 years of Barrack Hussein Obama. My god if he gets another 4 years we'll all be called to pray to the east 4 times a day. Gimme a fucking break CEO. YOu think anything changes with a republican president? You see if people like Dave "don't" vote for the 3rd or possibly 4th choice, the two out of touch fucking dinosaurs get to retain their power. They're two heads of the same coin dude. How does anyone not fucking get that anymore?
I'll be perfectly honest....my only criteria in november if I even vote is who is going to keep us out of ww3? If i feel it's Obama, i will vote for Obama. I KNOW it's not Romney becasue that guy got infront of AIPAC and gave out rimjobs on live tv. He wasn't the only one....all the republicans up there gave oral and anal cunnilingus to the jews right up there on the podium. My god the assclown was using Netanyahu's nickname like they were old coursing buddies back on the estate chip chip cheerio mate!! fucking made me ill. It was the closest thing to gay porn we're ever going to see on national tv. But if it looks like neither candidate has any intention of keeping us out of that fuckhole of evil that is the mideast then i will vote for Johnson as well. But if RP runs independant it's a done deal no question.
redsamurai
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Do you not find it curious that Romney has spent the better part of the past 6 months trying to get voters to forget all of the above?
Romneys problem is parallel with the problem of the entire GOP - they have all moved way too far to the right. When someone like Obama, who has a more conservative track record than Reagan, is repeatedly (and erroneously) labeled as a socialist you know people have lost their minds.
Surprised that the whole business experience thing is still a talking point.
pretty sure his tax records are bro.
He released the last 2 years of returns. We know what he earned, what he paid, and what he gave away. What more do you want to know?
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oh the last two years when he KNEW HE WAS GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT!! Doesn't count
c'mon dude Pretty sure we know obama's tax records going way back, and that's more important to me for a president to disclose then his fucking grades. Nothing Mitt learned in college is going to help him be a good president. NOTHING
We know, we know...you hate the Jews bro. I never said anything about Obama being muslim either. But maybe if he was you'd like him even more, because that would mean he would likely hate the Jews too.
I care about the economy and turning things around. I know it will be hard and a struggle for almost everyone at this point to reverse things, but it would be for the best.
So for me it goes back to, out of the two candidates who either one or the other will be elected (reality here bros), which one will be more likely to lead us out of the red? Who has experience with that? Obama? When? Where? Romney? You can find many instances for him.
How many years of tax returns have candidates usually released in the past?
Dole released 29. Kerry was 20 (I think). Obama was at least 10 years.
Does he have to release more than 2 years? No. If he wants a shot at getting elected he probably should though. At the same time, odds are if he did we would find him paying an effective rate of 0-10% during some of those years, in which case he's toast.
Its funny to see all the push back from the right on this issue, while at the same time the continuous harping on something that no president is usually asked to release (birth certificate).
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oh LMFAO at him graduating in the top 10% of his class at harvard law but then people say "well the class was weak". A "weak" harvard law class is comparatively still probably the best group of graduating lawyers in the country. But did being a lawyer from Harvard make him a great president? evidently not...so let's STFU about all these stupid nonsensical issues. This is what's ruining the country, we're caught up in everything that JUST DOESN"T FUCKING MATTER.
that pretty much nails it for every election. I'm not saying one candidate or the other (even your pal Ron Paul) would be the one to turn things around. No one man in this system has that kind of power or control. We have the congress and judicial system too. I think we're likely fucked to a point of no return. I don't see much hope regardless (or irregardless) of who is POTUS. But, if there's a glimmer of hope, the better candidate to turn it around in my opinion is Romney...not Obama.
Is that more clear?
redsamurai
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That's your opininon and you're entitled to it. Frankly my opinion is neither one has a shot because both are still playing on the same broken board. The board has to be erased and we have to start over. The system of monetary policy started under Reagan is what's led to this. Yes, your darling Ronald....we were so boned up to beat communism and we didn't have any pesky gold standard to adhere to so we started deficit spending ourselves into oblivion. Yes Reagan started it but every president since then has run with it and it's shameful on all counts. What is sobering is the fact that had the Rooskies not gotten into this ego match with us they'd be the big dogs right now. They didn't have the luxury of being able to shit the worlds reserve currency, which is the only reason why we "won" the cold war. So our whole economy is predicated on being the worlds reserve, if you just educate yourself for just a few moments on what happens to our economy if the world decides next week that something else is the worlds reserve....just go have a look, it will make your hole pucker. If price baskets would have to double within a few weeks y'all better head for the hills.
I like that Romney did what had to be done in the face of liberals and conservatives alike. He just fucking did it. He tried to do more but the liberal state legislature curbed a lot of it. But he still turned the budget around. Not how everyone would have liked it maybe, but then we are all self-centered selfish bastards. We only care about memememememe, right now, more for me, fuck you, I want mine and I don't want to do anything for it.
The GOP being too far to the right, IMO falls mainly with social issues. Let gays get married, be pro-choice. Fine. But fix the economy. Stop giving aid to countries that hate us. Make our welfare system maybe more like Japan's. Very regulated. If you have any assets, you have to spend that down first and live on it. If you have family that can support you, go be their burden not everyone else's. Tax fast food and junk foods and put that towards the universal health care. Raise taxes on cigs and alcohol. Keep monies allotted for specific budgets out of other budgets or the general budget. Stop all the perks for congress and senate at state and federal levels. Make them have to rely on 401K's and Social Security. Blah, blah, blah, etc.
Yes, I'm aware. Why do you think we went to war in Iraq? Thanks for the tip though.
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This is interesting though. Do you really, honestly believe that neither BO, nor MR will be the next POTUS? Neither have a shot? Who will it be then? In your opinion, of course.
Also, who's going to erase the board and start over? Are you talking about a revolution?
what whole thing? Going to war in Iraq or the fact they were trying to trade oil in euros instead of dollars?
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no, neither has a shot at fixing the economy. And we have to erase to the board. WOuld be nice to excercise our democratic right to overhaul our govt without an armed revolution though. I don't see those two parties in washington giving up easily though, somebody's gonna try and use the military on people.
I agree with you bro.
I just want to hope that there may be a slim chance that one of them could put together a plan pull us out of our deficit in 8-10 years maybe? Not just attempt to cut 10-20% of it over ten years, which won't amount to as much given the interest. I think if either of them has a chance, Romney at least has a better record for it.
As for the two parties, it's ridiculous. I would like to think we could get away from it too, but I don't think we will any time soon.
Plunkey for POTUS!!!
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well if we keep the attitude of people in the two parties castigating people for wanting a 3rd option we are NEVER going to get away from the two party system. "Ever". So railing people for wanting to vote for a 3rd party is completely unamerican you have to understand that. It goes against the very foundation of our democracy.
I wasn't railing him. He asked me if I would own my vote. I asked him the same. If it comes to pass as it has in the past that the two big party candidates get the overwhelming majority of the popular vote, and those who voted for a third, 4th, 5th, etc. party candidate could have swayed the outcome had they aligned themselves with and voted for one of the two party candidates who more closely fit their own views, what has changed?
Usually those 3rd, 4th, etc. party candidate votes came from (as in Dave's case) the more conservative of the two party candidates. Those votes were likely at one time in the Dem. or Repub. camp. I simply asked the same thing. Will he own his vote if Obama wins again and it's determined that Romney would have won if a few of the 3rd, 4th, etc. party candidate voters would have voted for their closest aligned GOP or Dem candidate? He would probably be fine with it since he loathes Romney. Sounds like he may favor BO over MR anyway. I only say that because he described his feelings toward Romeny as loathing, whereas with Obama he merely said he has no love for him.
But yes, people may vote for whomever they want. I think most people are lazy and vote for one party over another, between the GOP and the party that fought tooth and nail to keep slavery legal in the US.
Sorry guys. Just ran 3 miles and lifted for 45 minutes. Looks like I've got some catching up here, but now I have to run to the county fairground to prepare the wireless for the county fair this weekend. I'll reply later today or evening. ciao!
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The other alternative is to give it to someone who is out of touch with the common person and will likely extend / add to the cuts to the very wealthy. Sure, he's a billionaire. He might care about other billionaires. I'm not sure he'll care about you.
It's like AvP. Whoever wins, the people lose.
People who work for a living (real work, not chicken shit jobs that any crackhead can get) win. Why? Because Romney is obviously business-oriented, and businesses are where people go to work. Thriving businesses mean more money for everyone who, again, works for a living. It may be table scraps for the bottom rung but it's still more than they'd get with the other guy for another four years, who'd rather give that share away to lazy shitheads who'd rather sit around on drugs collecting whatever they can get away with from the gub'ment.
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There ARE only two options, if you consider that it's an absolute certainty that one of those two men WILL be President from 2013 through 2016. Unless someone dies. There may be other symbolic choices on the ballot, or you can choose not to vote, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no eventuality other than Obama retaining the Presidency for another term, or Romney replacing him.
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and that "has" to come to an end. And it's not enough to "vote your conscience" in national elections, it has to start at the ground floor. If there's no 3rd or 4th party people in washington said candidates for president have zero chance of passing anything.
Bain & Co. is different from Bain Capital.
Bain Capital (which he co-founded) was a split off from Bain & Co. Bain & Co. brought him back because of his record to bring them out of financial crisis. And he did. Then he left. During that time he took a salary of $1.00. Greedy pig!
I will admit to following my conscience and not prostituting my convictions. There is no difference between Romney and Obama. Their support for PATRIOT, FISA, CALEA, Foreign Policy, support for the Wall Street bailouts are one and the same.
I do not support the invasion and occupation of sovereign nations let alone have the blood on my hands because I voted for a POTUS who will bomb civilians from afar...in the name of "Freedom and Democracy" of course.
I will say it again, you been fed a line by the media outlets that only a 2 party system is the best. But when both parties are corrupt, when they're essentially the same in ideology...it fails. I opened my eyes. I began questioning whether my voting the party line was the right thing. I found that it was not. I will not in good conscience knowingly vote for a corrupt candidate simply because said candidate is the "lesser of 2 evils". It has to stop. I will begin with my vote. By voting for the lesser of 2 evils, one is perpetuating, accepting, and participating in the corrupt system.
Oh...and I always "own my vote". I take full ownership for participating in helping Bush get reelected...much to my chagrin. I voted for Ron Paul in the CA Primary. I have between last election and this donated about $1,000 dollars to Ron Paul. I have since decided to go with Gray Johnson and leave the Republican Party, after 26 years, for good. The Republican party that I knew when I first became a Republican no longer exists.
Headholio
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Bush declined to release his Yale records, and then his GPA was leaked. He never agreed to it.
Why would Obama keep releasing shit that no one lese has to? He has the greatest, most perfect most scrutinized birth certificate the world has ever seen, and the racists still don't believe it. So they ask for more. Yet, somehow, Romneys tax returns are unimportant. So tired of the bullshit.
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Romney released the tax returns he was required to. Move on.
This is worse than the fucking birthers. Dude is rich. Has lawyers parking his tax attorneys parking his money all over the place but it is by the book. You don't like it, change the book.
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when they kick in your front door
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Bain & Co. is different from Bain Capital.
Bain Capital (which he co-founded) was a split off from Bain & Co. Bain & Co. brought him back because of his record to bring them out of financial crisis. And he did. Then he left. During that time he took a salary of $1.00. Greedy pig!
And there were no other benefits in lieu of salary?
redsamurai
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he has released the returns only from the years in which he knew he was running again for office. Those don't count, who cares about those. Who cares about years in which he gathered up the best people money could buy to clean up his finances? We're not going to see anything illegal if he releases say 10 or so years...but what we're gonna see is a guy who has benefited from govt taxcode loopholes that he and people like him lobby to not have shut down. Again not illegal, but damning enough that the average american says fuck that you're not gonna be president...and that's why he's not doing it. Some people are speculating that to not release his financials it's got to be really bad, like approaching 0% on his capital gains...that is obviously a deathknell to his campaign.
Of course, presupposing that the average American even gives a rat's ass about that. Quite frankly, I don't think the "average American" even cares when he/she walks into tho polling booth.
Case in point...In the last election, I went around and around on Obama's voting record regarding PATRIOT, FISA, and CALEA as all these liberals thought that Obama was this freedom loving mutherfukker. When I asked them about how they felt that he voted in favor of these pieces of legislation that clearly curtails the freedoms/rights/liberties of American citizens...I was met with deafening silence.
The average American votes for whomever they "like" and the picture presented to them is portrayed by the media...period. I heard people say that they'd vote for Bush because he seemed like the kinda guy they could sit down and have a beer with....wow.
What makes you think I believe that a 2 party system is the best? Doesn't seem to me you've been reading my posts. Corrupt? Shit, Dave. ALL politicians are corrupt! LOL! If they weren't they wouldn't be politicians. Any vote you cast is for a corrupt candidate. The whole system is corrupt, regardless of party affiliation.
Again, who's eating what?
What shit is Obama being asked to release that no one else has? Romney released the last two years of his tax returns bro. You keeping up? Tired of the bullshit too. The Obama bullshit.
And how would his tax records reveal anything illegal? IF that were the case he'd have been in trouble already. LOL! You don't disclose illegal tax related stuff in documents you send to the IRS. John McCain only released the last 2 years of his tax returns before the election and I don't recall this big of a deal made over that. Why not? Because he wasn't as rich as Romney? Because if someone is rich they must be doing something illegal? Obama is rich. Did he do any shady illegal shit too? He must have, right?
I hope you become filthy rich someday through completely legal means.
The two parties are just too well organized. The best a third party candidate has ever done was 100 years ago with Teddy Roosevelt, who had already been POTUS, with 27% of the vote and only 88 electoral votes.
About 80% of voters vote either Republican or Democrat. You can hate that and fight against it, but in over 100 years, nothing has really changed. Actually, in the last 100 years I guess you could say things have gotten worse. There was more hope for a third party candidate a hundred years ago than there is today. My how we've advanced!
So if BO and MR were the only two options on a ticket, would you refuse to vote? OR would you vote for the one you thought would do the best job?
Non sequitur. And once again, you're missing my point...You've been brainwashed and you don't even know it. It's not your fault so I don't blame you. I was there as well at one point.
As long as you, and 80% of the population, continue to "think" that way and vote accordingly (like you're told), it is "we" who are the problem for the mess we're in.
If you want to vote for Romney, be my guest. I won't vote for a candidate that has made it clear that he will do nothing to scale back the war on drugs, has openly stated that he wants open war with Iran, supports PATRIOT, supports bailouts, has openly admitted that he favors legislation that would impact what a private citizen can and cannot do in the privacy of their home (this is called legislating morality and one of my biggest grievances against the goose-stepping Republicans today), has full intentions of maintaining this "American Empire"...and he's going to do all this and balance the budget/deficit at the same time....LOL! Right.
First and foremost, he'd be only the POTUS, not the King. He can veto/pass budgets, but he is in charge of the Department of Justice...and that's the scary part considering what the current fuckwit is doing with his power.
Nobody has been brainwashed, everybody gets it and you are not the only one to see the light. Until you convince 50 million others to do the same you are a wasted vote. As it stands the difference between you and someone else who "does the research" and votes for Roger Rabbit is pretty much nil.
OK...So I will vote my conscience and vote for a candidate with a proven track record, and you (along with 50 million other voters) will knowingly vote for a candidate that is corrupt and a liar...and I'm the one wasting my vote...heh...OK.
I have to say I agree with Dave here. Voting outside the 2 parties may never make a difference but change has to start somewhere. Also when its all said and done I can say I tried to correct what I saw as wrong and those who voted " for the lesser of 2 evils " can say "I followed the party right to the scene of the crash"
Dave, you are so full of yourself to think that you are the enlightened one and everyone else is brainwashed. Sounds like a fucking cult member or some radical christian. Like you've got the market cornered.
I don't vote like I'm told and that's a pretty fucked up thing to say (along with the other fucked up things you're saying). I'm trying to keep my arguments factual and not say things like "you've been duped" or "you're brainwashed," "you believe the lies the media/corp/gov't tell you," etc. But you have to throw all that shit in there to what? Try to prove how much better you are than everyone else who doesn't think like you? If you don't think like Dave, you're not enlightened! Come on bro. Shit like this makes me not even want to continue with you.
Now, 80% of the population "think" what way? It's pretty factual bro. For the most part, in every election 80% of the population votes for Dem or GOP. That's just how it is and how it's been. It's not what I think, it's true. Go ahead now...call me brainwashed and condescend me some more. Tell us all some more like you have in the past about how good you are at arguing politics and how you mop the floor with everyone who doesn't see it your way because they are so wrong, blah blah blah.
The system is corrupt. Not just the two party system...the WHOLE FUCKING THING! Do you think otherwise? It doesn't matter who gets elected POTUS, the system is corrupt. All politicians are corrupt. If you vote AT ALL, you are a willing participant that is accepting/perpetuating the corruption. Tell me that my statement is incorrect.
Yes, you are reading my posts. But not to attempt to comprehend. You read to try to point out where I (or anyone) is wrong if we don't think like you. Very mature bro.
lol @ you thinking your candidate is not corrupt! LOL! If he's somehow not...he will never...NEVER make it close to the oval office.
It did start somewhere. 180 years ago. Look how far we've come!
redsamurai
Banned
yeah but CEO, what are our avenues of changing the system in this country? You've got two choices, vote new people in or armed insurrection. If you're talking armed rebellion then fine but if you're trying to stay away from the next civil war then the only avenue is to vote for people who aren't entrenched in the current system and talk about the current system as corrupted which we know it is. Monetary policy is a huge issue for me and you know full and damn well that neither barrack or Mitt are going to do JACK FUCKING SHIT to our monetary policy whihch is in it's last days and will take all of us down....well, not guys like mitt cause he's got everything overseas right....
This is why i want Ron Paul as our president, not because i goose step with him on every issue but that I know for a fact he'd torpedo those jew bank....i mean feds who have been mismanaging our currency for decades.
you're going to have to change or do away with the electoral college for starters. But again, the majority of Americans have been in favor of doing that (moving to a direct election) for at least almost 70 years now. Nothing's changed yet. We move quickly here in the US, don't we? Turnin' on a dime!
You're obfuscating now CEO. You have avoided my last question with a series of dodges and accusations. That's OK...Let's try it this way, OK?
Perhaps you're right; you've not been brainwashed. Perhaps you actually do support Romney and his policies. I vaguely recall in a previous post of yours that you "hope" Romney can do a better job than the current POTUS. Fair enough. Is it safe to assume that you're throwing your support for Romney based upon that? If so, how is that any different than the "Hope and Change" crowd that supported Obama in the last election?
But let's say you support his policies. OK...Romney has a serious hair across his ass over Iran. Do you, like him, perceive Iran as a threat to our national security, and if so...how?
Do you support his assertion that he'd repeal ObamaCare? First of all, let's all realize that a POTUS cannot simply "repeal" a law...it takes an act of congress. His own track record speaks for itself when he signed into state law RomneyCare.
Do you support Romney's stance on PATRIOT, FISA, and CALEA? And if so, why?
Do you support legislating "morality"? Romney has gone on record stating that he supports censoring of pornography...in blatant defiance of the SCOTUS decision and the 1st Amendment.
Now...If you do not support these stances, how do you resolve the dichotomy of supporting a candidate who does? To what end? I do not support these laws/positions therefore I will not support a candidate who has gone on record supporting them.
I've answered your questions, now you answer mine...fair enough? I've made it crystal clear where I stand (including my firm belief that Americans are the tools of the media) and who I support. All I seem to be getting from you are snide remarks and obfuscation. If you're offended by my delivery, I'm sorry but there's nothing I can do about it. I don't sugar coat political issues.
One more question...did you support any candidate "before" Romney? And if so, what made you change your mind? I've supported Ron Paul from the beginning. Gary Johnson and Ron Paul are very close in voting records and political ideology. I voted for Paul in the primary (who did you vote for?), but I need to wash the "stench" of the Republican party from me permanently. I'll be voting Libertarian this election.
Perhaps you're right; you've not been brainwashed. Perhaps you actually do support Romney and his policies. I vaguely recall in a previous post of yours that you "hope" Romney can do a better job than the current POTUS. Fair enough. Is it safe to assume that you're throwing your support for Romney based upon that? If so, how is that any different than the "Hope and Change" crowd that supported Obama in the last election?
But let's say you support his policies. OK...Romney has a serious hair across his ass over Iran. Do you, like him, perceive Iran as a threat to our national security, and if so...how?
Do you support his assertion that he'd repeal ObamaCare? First of all, let's all realize that a POTUS cannot simply "repeal" a law...it takes an act of congress. His own track record speaks for itself when he signed into state law RomneyCare.
Do you support Romney's stance on PATRIOT, FISA, and CALEA? And if so, why?
Do you support legislating "morality"? Romney has gone on record stating that he supports censoring of pornography...in blatant defiance of the SCOTUS decision and the 1st Amendment.
Now...If you do not support these stances, how do you resolve the dichotomy of supporting a candidate who does? To what end? I do not support these laws/positions therefore I will not support a candidate who has gone on record supporting them.
I've answered your questions, now you answer mine...fair enough? I've made it crystal clear where I stand (including my firm belief that Americans are the tools of the media) and who I support. All I seem to be getting from you are snide remarks and obfuscation. If you're offended by my delivery, I'm sorry but there's nothing I can do about it. I don't sugar coat political issues.
One more question...did you support any candidate "before" Romney? And if so, what made you change your mind? I've supported Ron Paul from the beginning. Gary Johnson and Ron Paul are very close in voting records and political ideology. I voted for Paul in the primary (who did you vote for?), but I need to wash the "stench" of the Republican party from me permanently. I'll be voting Libertarian this election.
I don't follow much politics in the US but what I have seen is that Obama out of all these other guys blows them out of the water! I don't know as many details as you guys but to me, Obama has been handling everything as well as can be with the economic instability...it seems to me everyone is looking for a savior..it's not going to happen. I think he's doing an excellent job...
Upon reading this first paragraph, I went back over the last 35 posts to see where you asked me a question. In those you had I thin 3 or 4 posts directed at me and in none of those was there a question. So, I am a bit confused, Dave. What question? Furthermore, who's obfuscating???
I can write all your posts in regards to political debates Dave. They are all, "You've been brainwahsed!" "You vote how they want you to vote!" "You think what they want you to think!" "I was once like you, then I saw the light!" "I am enlightened and you're in the dark." Repeat to infinity. Come up with something new.
I don't agree with many of them Dave. What I've said in several posts now is simply this: Between the two realistic choices of Romney or Obama, I will choose Romney. What's so hard to understand about that? Why is it hard for you to believe that I am 100% certain that no other candidate stands a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected? You know what I am saying is true, yet you are trying to believe in a fairy tale. Who's believing in "Hope and Change" now?
Let me try again to help you understand where I'm coming from. I know Romney has the experience to bring the economy back in the black...at least 10,000 times more so than Obama. The problem is that he will have to struggle against Congress to make anything happen. That's where the hope comes in. I hope he would be able to be effective enough against a Congress that would possibly be largely unfriendly to him on both sides.
OK, let's also say the earth is square while we are at it.
I don't have enough information on that to have a viable opinion. If I had to force an answer, I would say my perception at the moment is probably not. They more likely are a threat to Israel.
You pretty much made the point for me there.
Yes, take away my freedoms, please.
Do president's do much legislating? Short of an executive order?
Again, there are two viable candidates, in reality. In fantasyland...I'm not sure how many there are. If I were going to vote another candidate, I may as well save gas and stay home. There's the sad truth.
Snide remarks from me??? You're kidding, right? You started in with all the, "everyone who doesn't think like I do is brainwashed" bullshit, and I'm making snide remarks? Well, I am now! You're a broken record when it comes to this stuff. You only care to be the loudest and most correct voice in the crowd. You haven't answered shit. I barely asked you anything other than if you'd own your vote (which you asked me first and I answered), and if BO and MR were the only two choices, what would you do? You never did answer that. But it's OK. I expected you to dodge and obfuscate.
LOL again. You accuse me of snide remarks which you started, then you post this? Well then let me just say, If you're offended by my delivery, I'm sorry but there's nothing I can do about it. I don't sugar coat political issues.
I liked Ron Paul actually. But he's not going to win now is he?
I've answered every question you've asked, Dave. There haven't been too many, really. Like I said, when it comes to politics, the bulk of your posts are all the same (see above). You're a broken record. You're better than everyone else because you are going to vote Gary Johnson and you don't believe the machine. But you're enlightened and the rest of us are brainwashed. You've made that clear.
Either you believe that and you're an incredibly arrogant idealist, or you're just heavily trolling.
it's ok bro...you're canadian...
redsamurai
Banned
i think too he's a good guy and is doing the best with what he's got...but he's part of the two party system so the real "change" can never happen with him because he's still part of the machine. As an individual i think he gives a shit about regular people way more than any president in the last few decades. But I do feel he's also greasing his buddies just like every one of these m'fers do the moment they come to power.
