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I brought back steroids from Mexico...LEGALLY!!!

Bobber

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What I have been saying for the past three or four months is true....you CAN bring back a personal supply of anabolic steroids legally as long as you claim them at the border. I was down in Nuevo laredo yesterday and i came back with 15 amps of primoteston and 2 bottles of boldenon. My friends also brought back some goodies.
 
Interesting....I know this debate has been going on for quite some time.

What did the officials at the border say when you declared them?
 
I am a regular visitor to Nuevo Lardedo. I make a trips very often. I have never heard this and my sources down there have not informed me this was ok to do. I know practically all the pharmacies and vets in that town. And the gaurds there are Dicheads compared to other crossings. Not sayng U are a liar , But I bet it was a fluke , you got lucky I would not recommend it to others
 
The Almighty said:
Interesting....I know this debate has been going on for quite some time.

What did the officials at the border say when you declared them?
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They pulled us over to search our car and asked if we have anything to declare and we said yes and pulled out our gear. They proceeded to ask us if they were steroids and we said yes, they looked at the bottles for a second, did a very brisk search of the vehicle and let us go. It was actually a lot easier than I had first figured.

Texasguns - I too am a regular down in Nuevo Laredo and know quite a few people down there. ALL the pharmacia guys will tell you not to claim your gear but they do not know what they are talking about. It is not a fluke. Why don't you keep your opinions to yourself and let the guys that have actually experienced and researched do the talking.
 
naturally anabolic said:
I was under the assumption only human grade stuff could be brought back. Guess I was under the wrong assumption!
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same here, since the human grade shit is used for legit medical purposes.......its good to be wrong in this case (dont mean shit from me,,,mexico is too far to even think about it)
 
I don't know what I am talking about? You must be crazy. I know that city like the back of my hand. And I am sure you have more experience than you. So anyone listening to you will get their ass in a sling. So why don't what what you fuckin say first!
 
the hair on my balls would be standing up the whole time if I tried this, not that I have hairy balls
 
texasguns said:
I don't know what I am talking about? You must be crazy. I know that city like the back of my hand. And I am sure you have more experience than you. So anyone listening to you will get their ass in a sling. So why don't what what you fuckin say first!
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Come on guys, lets keep this thread civil. This is an important thread for many members of the board and the last thing we need is for it to be locked because of some silly ass feud.

Texasguns, you say this doesnt work. Bobber, you say it does. Seems to me the point of this thread is to gather as much personal experience on this topic as possible. If one of you are wrong, then it will be shown eventually, so lets all settle down.
 
It is perfectly legal to declare prescription, controlled, FDA-approved human drugs at a land border.
However, you are limited to what is approved by the FDA for human use....Mexican-equivalents would be Primosteston, Testoprim, Proviron, Deca, HCG (maybe some others).
Most of the good, cheap stuff though....the vet gear is not legal unless your "animal" is accompanying you.

Something like Boldenon by law should have been confiscated b/c it is veternarian horse anabolic with no medicinal human use here in the US. I don't doubt Bobber brought it back, since they probably didn't know what it was.

SOLID:
There is no human-grade Anavar that I am aware of in Mex.
 
well heres my take on them bringing over vet grade gear ....the border patrol may not know much difference from one AAS to another and so they might have assumed it was fine.
 
Texasguns you are one of those morons that go on what you think. Well what you THINK in this case is incorrect. I was there just yesterday and drove across my gear as did my friends. I don't give a fuck if you have been doing it longer than me or if you think you are some kind of bad ass cause you know the fucking town so why don't you keep your inexperienced opinion off my fucking informative threads. Yall cam PM Liftin62 and ask him as well, he was there.
 
Bobber said:
Texasguns you are one of those morons that go on what you think. Well what you THINK in this case is incorrect. I was there just yesterday and drove across my gear as did my friends. I don't give a fuck if you have been doing it longer than me or if you think you are some kind of bad ass cause you know the fucking town so why don't you keep your inexperienced opinion off my fucking informative threads. Yall cam PM Liftin62 and ask him as well, he was there.
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Come on people, lets all be friends. I would like to hear many more replies so I dont want this thread to be locked.
 
soflaguy said:


Something like Boldenon by law should have been confiscated b/c it is veternarian horse anabolic with no medicinal human use here in the US. I don't doubt Bobber brought it back, since they probably didn't know what it was.
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I am sitting here telling yall exactly what went down and yall still have bullshit comments like this to make? Fine....I am just lying to yall and get off on the fact that you will get caught bringing gear from Mexico. Next time I go down I will take fucking pictures with the border patrol and all my juice and post them on here so you sceptical fuckers could maybe some how learn to trust people.
 
Golfer18 said:
Anyone got any law information on this from a Govt website?
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Asshole, there was another thread like this up a month ago I believe, and I think it was Star that posted shit from the DEA or Customs website.
 
yo texasgun why don't you learn to spell first,i had a shit of a time undersranding what you wrote
 
You got me fucked up! You are a dumb bitch! Y ou got lucky, Y ou can't pass all the shit. But if u want to take thsi name calling to another level , THEN LET ME KNOW , I AM DOWN FOR WHATEVER!
 
RussianBro said:
sorry bros, but it's sad to watch threads like this turn into disputes... these threads get nowhere, but get locked...
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Thanks you, at least there is 1 other person with some common sense.

What are you two gonna do, start with the "Your Momma" wisecracks? Give it a fuckin rest and let the INTELLIGENT replies fill up this thread.
 
You can declare things that require a script (valiums, steriods, ect), but you have to get a script in Mexico. And it has to be a certain amount (for personal use). A friend of mind does it all the time with valiums. You can only bring back like 40 pills per person though.

The catch is once your in the US, police can pull you over and confiscate your meds and write a ticket. The Mexican script isn't valid.
 
Bobber said:


I am sitting here telling yall exactly what went down and yall still have bullshit comments like this to make? Fine....I am just lying to yall and get off on the fact that you will get caught bringing gear from Mexico. Next time I go down I will take fucking pictures with the border patrol and all my juice and post them on here so you sceptical fuckers could maybe some how learn to trust people.
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Sorry Bobber, Soflaguy is right.

Equipoise has no known human uses.

You got lucky.
 
texasguns said:
You got me fucked up! You are a dumb bitch! Y ou got lucky, Y ou can't pass all the shit. But if u want to take thsi name calling to another level , THEN LET ME KNOW , I AM DOWN FOR WHATEVER!
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My friends and I are proof that this is legit. As for "being down for whatever" feel free to PM me with anything thats on your mind, quit trashing up my thread.

Star is another person from this board that has experience with this subject. She says that only human grade can be brought across but that was not the case yesterday. None of us had a script either. Due to an unfortuante occurance a few months ago I met and still keep in touch with one of the very nice ladies at the border patrol. She holds a high rank, don't know her title exactly, but she is the one that told me about all this. I visited with her again last night after getting across and I thanked her for informing about this new law.
 
Dizzy said:
You can declare things that require a script (valiums, steriods, ect), but you have to get a script in Mexico. And it has to be a certain amount (for personal use). A friend of mind does it all the time with valiums. You can only bring back like 40 pills per person though.

The catch is once your in the US, police can pull you over and confiscate your meds and write a ticket. The Mexican script isn't valid.
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This is essentially correct. The "personal use" exemption does apply to controlled substances (90-day supply), but the meds must be FDA-approved for human use and you need a USA prescription to prove personal use. If Customs didn't ask for proof, then you got through, but as Dizzy wrote, the DEA can then pick you up on possession without a USA prescription. BTW, this "exemption" doesn't apply to the importation of shipments of controlled substances. For example, suppose I have an American prescription for BTG Oxandrin 10mg. I get it filled somehow in France (where BTG Oxandrin is a big seller). I return to the USA and declare it. I not only brought back a 90-day supply, but I have a USA prescription to prove legal possession. This is legal. Now, suppose I order the Oxandrin online from a French pharmacy and they ship the Oxandrin to me--same amount. This is ILLEGAL.
 
One of the interesting insights that could be gleaned from all this is that one of the smartest moves the border patrol and DEA could make at this time is to take all AAS off the watch list. I know they don't have the authority to do this... but they do have the authority to set agency priorities and enforcement policies.
 
US customs web site states you can bring 50 unit doses back for personal use. It also list what is illegal and juice is not on that list.
 
Rednesz said:
US customs web site states you can bring 50 unit doses back for personal use. It also list what is illegal and juice is not on that list.
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please post a link as I am interested.
 
DrJMW said:


This is essentially correct. The "personal use" exemption does apply to controlled substances (90-day supply), but the meds must be FDA-approved for human use and you need a USA prescription to prove personal use. If Customs didn't ask for proof, then you got through, but as Dizzy wrote, the DEA can then pick you up on possession without a USA prescription. BTW, this "exemption" doesn't apply to the importation of shipments of controlled substances. For example, suppose I have an American prescription for BTG Oxandrin 10mg. I get it filled somehow in France (where BTG Oxandrin is a big seller). I return to the USA and declare it. I not only brought back a 90-day supply, but I have a USA prescription to prove legal possession. This is legal. Now, suppose I order the Oxandrin online from a French pharmacy and they ship the Oxandrin to me--same amount. This is ILLEGAL.
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You could not have made this any clearer. You covered every concern in the thread. Karma for you.
 
Rednesz said:
US customs web site states you can bring 50 unit doses back for personal use. It also list what is illegal and juice is not on that list.
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Do you have a link for that? 50 units?
I know in Canada a 90 day supply determined by the directions on the bottle. Example, if the bottle says take 1 tab daily, you would be able to bring back 90 tabs.
As for AS I don't know exactly how they would be able to determine that.
 
This is what I found at http://www.customs.gov/travel/travel.htm
The U.S. Customs Service enforces Federal laws and regulations, including those of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

A new bill was recently passed by Congress that amends a portion of the Controlled Substances Act (21USC956(a)). This amendment allows a United States resident to import up to 50 dosage units of a controlled medication without a valid prescription at an international land border. These medications must be declared upon arrival, be for your own personal use and in their original container. However, travelers should be aware that drug products which are not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration may not be acceptable for such importation. FDA warns that such drugs are often of unknown quality and discourages buying drugs sold in foreign countries. Please go to http://www.fda.gov/ora/import/purchasing_medications.htm for further information.

I hope this will help stop the fighting!
 
Let's not get carried away with putting this thread on lockdown. There is some good info here that's going to help out a bunch of traveling bros.

OK, back to the important questions we all want to know...
1) About prescriptions... what's the real deal here? I mean, it looks like it is legal to bring back some gear so long as you have a prescription. To my knowledge, only doctors can write prescriptions. So how do you get a prescription from the pharmacy? And how easy would it be to fake a US prescription by writing your own prescription by a fictitious doctor?

2) And anyone from Texas know how far Nuevo Laredo is from Austin? I'm salivating at the prospects of easy cheap gear. :p
 
Nuevo Laredo I believe is across the border from Laredo. But being a Texan myself i would suggest any border town. You might be closer to Brownsville or that area. Just check the map.
 
Baxter said:
Let's not get carried away with putting this thread on lockdown. There is some good info here that's going to help out a bunch of traveling bros.

OK, back to the important questions we all want to know...
1) About prescriptions... what's the real deal here? I mean, it looks like it is legal to bring back some gear so long as you have a prescription. To my knowledge, only doctors can write prescriptions. So how do you get a prescription from the pharmacy? And how easy would it be to fake a US prescription by writing your own prescription by a fictitious doctor?

2) And anyone from Texas know how far Nuevo Laredo is from Austin? I'm salivating at the prospects of easy cheap gear. :p
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It seems you don't need a script now... and a script from Mexico wouldn't matter anyways, it would have to be a US written script.
 
texasgun i don't mean to offend you in any way bro i just said it cause i had a tough time understandsing
 
Baxter said:
OK, back to the important questions we all want to know...
1) About prescriptions... what's the real deal here? I mean, it looks like it is legal to bring back some gear so long as you have a prescription. To my knowledge, only doctors can write prescriptions. So how do you get a prescription from the pharmacy? And how easy would it be to fake a US prescription by writing your own prescription by a fictitious doctor?
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OK, did you READ BLOODTIDE's post?
 
So if you do get in with your personal dose, what about the whole posession thing. If you get pulled over a mile or two down the road or stopped at a checkpoint, can't they still arrest you for posession. Or can you just say it's a personal dose I declared so I'm ok. How does that work?
 
soflaguy said:
There is a little blue brochure called "Know Before You Go" that is at the Customs Declaration area of a border station.
On page #28, it states the following:

http://www.customs.gov/travel/know.htm#Medication

Also, this:
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/cfr/1301/1301_26.htm

Read the law though. You cannot bring back any vet AS which basically includes everything (Brovel, Tornell, Jurox, Fort Dodge, TTokkyo, Quality Vet, Denkall, and Loeffler).

You are limited to HUMAN-GRADE ONLY.
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I think it said you can if the animal is with you. (sounds dumb)
 
Backagain said:
So if you do get in with your personal dose, what about the whole posession thing. If you get pulled over a mile or two down the road or stopped at a checkpoint, can't they still arrest you for posession. Or can you just say it's a personal dose I declared so I'm ok. How does that work?
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Yes you will get arrested after the border.

Nuevo Laredo is about a 2.5-3 hour drive from Austin.

I REALLY would rather not go again but if enough Texas bros are in i will go again since I know a lot of people down there and have done this before and I can show you all tat I am not lying.

You do NOT eed a sript to declare it and you CAN bring back vet drugs.
 
Bobber said:


I am sitting here telling yall exactly what went down and yall still have bullshit comments like this to make? Fine....I am just lying to yall and get off on the fact that you will get caught bringing gear from Mexico. Next time I go down I will take fucking pictures with the border patrol and all my juice and post them on here so you sceptical fuckers could maybe some how learn to trust people.
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Yeah post some pictures. That would be cool. Take a pic with border patrol with you flexing your bicep with a vial on top of it. That would be funny as hell!
 
Enigmaxxx7 said:



Yeah post some pictures. That would be cool. Take a pic with border patrol with you flexing your bicep with a vial on top of it. That would be funny as hell!
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BP will not let u snap pictures of them at all. if you do, they will snag your film and destroy. Apparently lots of drug lords want lots of these BP people killed....wonder why:fro:
 
so anyone going to try it??

its funny that they let you bring in vet gear though. i mean some of them do have drawings of animals. do you look like a dog or something?
 
Some of you Bros that have big gonads try it and let us know how it turns out ,BTW what human gear is in Mexico besides Sus & 50 mg Deca???
 
hmm. nolvas, proviron, t3, clen, cloms, ephedrine, sten, stenox, dbol...thats all i can think of
 
U.S. residents entering the United States at international land borders, who are carrying a validly obtained controlled substance (except narcotics such as marijuana, cocaine, heroin, or LSD), are subject to certain additional requirements. If a U.S. resident wants to bring in a controlled substance other than narcotics such as marijuana, cocaine, heroine, or LSD, but does not have a prescription for the substance issued by a U.S.-licensed practitioner (e.g., physician, dentist, etc.) registered with and authorized by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) to prescribe the mediation, the individual may not import more than 50 dosage units of the medication. if the U.S. Resident has a prescription for the controlled substance issued by a DEA registrant, more than 50 dosage units may be imported by that person, provided all other legal requirements are met.

no wear in this paragraph does it state the words anabolic steroids
 
Bobber said:


I am sitting here telling yall exactly what went down and yall still have bullshit comments like this to make? Fine....I am just lying to yall and get off on the fact that you will get caught bringing gear from Mexico. Next time I go down I will take fucking pictures with the border patrol and all my juice and post them on here so you sceptical fuckers could maybe some how learn to trust people.
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My concern is that you may be working with the authorities to get people to do this. I might try it myself when and if I make a trip there and then report what happened. Of course, others might think that I'm working for the authorities also.
 
biteme said:


My concern is that you may be working with the authorities to get people to do this. I might try it myself when and if I make a trip there and then report what happened. Of course, others might think that I'm working for the authorities also.
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Shit bro, if you don't believe that I am truly lifting then do a search for my pictures and see what I started as and my progression to this point in time. I will email you my rerent pics if you want and you can compare them to what they were last year.
 
ok so a 90 day supply is ok to bring back....well how many primoteston is in a 90 day supply. and what makes you not do it the next day?
 
This is why you guys need a copy of "Legal Muscle." It has the answers to all of these questions explained in a very understandable manner.
 
Well, I got sick of all the information trying to be passed as the truth. I mailed a letter today to the customs office in DC asking very detailed questions concerning importation of controlled and non controlled medicines. After spending the better part of today on the internet, I believe I have found the answer. There are three different agencies to deal with concerning AS. Customs, DEA, and FDA. While everything might be "OK" with customs, the other two would probably disagree. My only thought on that is; when is the last time you saw DEA and FDA agents posted up regularly at small border crossings? not very often. However, in large international hubs such as JFK and LAX there is probably multiple agents always near. IMO, that is why this little loophole might only pertain to land crossings.

just my .02

ps, i'll let everyone know what kind of response I get
 
Freaking Out

Ok, I to am from Texas...about 2 hours from Nuevo Laredo and I was planning a trip. After reading this post, I am freaking out even more! :( Can someone drop me a line at: [email protected] or PM me please with some accurate information!
 
I'd be interested to see if the gov't responds to techlifter's letter. I think we're pretty clear on all this with the info in this thread.

no, the customs website does not mention AAS, but they do mention that

a controlled substance ""other than narcotics"" such as marijuana, cocaine, heroine, or LSD, but ***does not*** have a prescription for the substance issued by a U.S.-licensed practitioner (e.g., physician, dentist, etc.) registered with and authorized by the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) to prescribe the mediation, the individual *****may not import more than 50 dosage units of the medication.*****

Seems pretty clear to me. Declare your 50 units without a script and hope that the DEA and FDA doesn't bust you a mile down the road.

..bd
 
Within the next 2 weeks I will try this with 1 primoteston on me to see if it works. If it is illegal, from everything I have read and heard, they will only take it away from me (especially since I will declare it). If it does work I will ask how many primotestons 50 untis would be.
 
If I remember correctly and it's been a while since I looked at those laws, I believe that 1 dose unit of AAS according to federal guidelines =

50 tabs or 1 - 10 cc vial or 10 - 1 cc amps.

States however have their own guidelines.

W6
 
jc21 said:
ok so a 90 day supply is ok to bring back....well how many primoteston is in a 90 day supply. and what makes you not do it the next day?
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I don't know how many amps would make up a 90 day supply but I brought back 15. And there is absolutlely nothing holding you back from doing day after day, they do not take any of your information or document it.
 
wilson6 said:
If I remember correctly and it's been a while since I looked at those laws, I believe that 1 dose unit of AAS according to federal guidelines =

50 tabs or 1 - 10 cc vial or 10 - 1 cc amps.

States however have their own guidelines.

W6
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that is 1 unit, not one dose. That is the DEA's guidline for prosecution of dealers.
 
Here is the letter I sent to Customs:

To Whom It May Concern
Executive Director, Passenger Programs
U.S. Customs Service
1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Room 5.4D
Washington, DC 20229

To Whom It May Concern:
I have been unable to clearly understand some of the laws regarding the importation of medicine into the United States. It is very important for me to know and follow all the rules regarding medicine. To simplify the reading of my questions, I have provided a list format: (assume all questions regard importation into the US by a US citizen)

1. What is the rule on importing controlled substances into the US without a prescription? From what I understand, and what is stated in the “Know Before You Go” brochure, it is legal to import a 50 day personal supply provided the following: It is not a narcotic (LSD, marijuana, heroine, cocaine,) it must be in its original container, it must be a medication that can be legally prescribed in the US, and you have a written statement confirming all medicine is for personal use. Is this a 100% correct statement?

2. What is the rule on importing non-controlled substances into the US without a prescription? The DEA website among others states a 90 personal supply is allowed. Is this correct?

3. What constitutes a “personal supply,” and by what guidelines is a personal supply derived?

4. If a product contains 100 tablets per bottle and the pharmacist informed you to take 2 daily would that mean 180 tablets (non-controlled) or 100 tablets (controlled) would be allowed?

5. Do medicines that you obtain in a veterinarian apply to this law? For example, if someone owned an older male dog, could the person import a hormone replacement medicine?

6. Are the laws the same for traveling by air rather than by land?

7. Would any of these circumstances change with a prescription from the foreign country?

8. What documents could I take with me such as letters, laws, or brochures that would assure any customs officials that my intentions are legal and how it is legal?

Thank you for your time and effort in regards to my questions. I understand there may be other legal complications involved with other government agencies. I have found the easiest way to become informed is to ask each agency individually. What suggestions can you give me about other agencies to contact?

Thank you,

********
 
What you have said is true to a degree, it is legal but, this new change does not superseed state and fed laws. A controlled substance like aas is still illegal to import with out a script. As you can see this is all very confussing and Im sure you just lucked out, saying that its know legal everyone go for it is a bit lame, thats like saying hey I drove across and no one stopped me so it must be legal. Its still illegal.

FDA's guidance is not, however, a license for individuals to import unapproved (and therefore illegal) drugs for personal use into the U.S. Even if all of the factors noted in the guidance are present, the drugs remain illegal and FDA may decide that such drugs should be refused entry or seized.
 
You're a bit off there Plate. Have you read this whole post? The few paragraphs of interest on here come straight off the Customs website.

...bd
 
plate said:
What you have said is true to a degree, it is legal but, this new change does not superseed state and fed laws. A controlled substance like aas is still illegal to import with out a script. As you can see this is all very confussing and Im sure you just lucked out, saying that its know legal everyone go for it is a bit lame, thats like saying hey I drove across and no one stopped me so it must be legal. Its still illegal.

FDA's guidance is not, however, a license for individuals to import unapproved (and therefore illegal) drugs for personal use into the U.S. Even if all of the factors noted in the guidance are present, the drugs remain illegal and FDA may decide that such drugs should be refused entry or seized.
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If you had read this thread you would have seen that when you cross the border they CAN arrest you. Not right across but sometime after because iot would be entrapment.

To all you sceptics out there do a search and find my thread when I got busted bringing it back across. The customs people went over the new laaws with me thoroughly. I know what I am talking about and do not want anything bad to happen to my fellow lifters. If I thought I was wrong in the slightest I would not have posted this thread. It WAS NOT a fluke.
 
NO NO NO NO NO NO

I got busted for this, please do not try this!!!!!!!! I walked up to customes with my GH, put it on the table and they acted like I put a kilo of coke on the table. I asked for a person in charge and they came out, I showed them a print out of the law where you can bring back a personal ammount without perscription and he said "Do you think I'm stupid, you can not bring back a controled substance and you can not bring back steroids for any reason." They took my address and copied my drivers liscense, I had to sign a letter that I tried to bring in a controled substance and then I was free to go. About two weeks later I got a letter from customes with my information and a list of everything they caught that month, my GH was listed. I was very supprised there were only three other people caught with roids in the same month.

Whoever started this post is a very very stupid liar!!!!!!! Why would you do this and try to get people in trouble. Perhaps you did not want to try it yourself and started this thread to see if it would work, so let me tell you IT WON'T!!!!!!!

L8R
 
Tech,

I understand where that came from and it is referred to as a "unit" in the sentencing guidelines under paragraph (g).

The question here is, if there is no prescription then how is a dose defined? Could it be argued that a dose = a unit?

and.....is GH a controlled substance at the Federal level? There's nothing noted on the on-line Humatrope package insert for example and it certainly isn't a steroid.

W6
 
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Thiassi_new said:
I got busted for this, please do not try this!!!!!!!! I walked up to customes with my GH, put it on the table and they acted like I put a kilo of coke on the table. I asked for a person in charge and they came out, I showed them a print out of the law where you can bring back a personal ammount without perscription and he said "Do you think I'm stupid, you can not bring back a controled substance and you can not bring back steroids for any reason." They took my address and copied my drivers liscense, I had to sign a letter that I tried to bring in a controled substance and then I was free to go. About two weeks later I got a letter from customes with my information and a list of everything they caught that month, my GH was listed. I was very supprised there were only three other people caught with roids in the same month.

Whoever started this post is a very very stupid liar!!!!!!! Why would you do this and try to get people in trouble. Perhaps you did not want to try it yourself and started this thread to see if it would work, so let me tell you IT WON'T!!!!!!!

L8R
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Hmmmm.....Maybe I won't try my 1 primoteston idea.
 
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Thiassi_new said:
I got busted for this, please do not try this!!!!!!!! I walked up to customes with my GH, put it on the table and they acted like I put a kilo of coke on the table. I asked for a person in charge and they came out, I showed them a print out of the law where you can bring back a personal ammount without perscription and he said "Do you think I'm stupid, you can not bring back a controled substance and you can not bring back steroids for any reason." They took my address and copied my drivers liscense, I had to sign a letter that I tried to bring in a controled substance and then I was free to go. About two weeks later I got a letter from customes with my information and a list of everything they caught that month, my GH was listed. I was very supprised there were only three other people caught with roids in the same month.

Whoever started this post is a very very stupid liar!!!!!!! Why would you do this and try to get people in trouble. Perhaps you did not want to try it yourself and started this thread to see if it would work, so let me tell you IT WON'T!!!!!!!

L8R
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LISTEN TO ME CAREFULLY HERE FELLAS.........HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE IS IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, OR BY ANY MEANS A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I ask you politely to disreguard this persons post. Im not saying that his episode isn't true, because most Law Enforcement Officials ARE IDIOTS, but I want to be clear as far as the HGH Scheduling issue. It is a NON-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE!!
 
That's what I thought regarding GH, although I think some states have made it or thought about making it a controlled substance.

BTW, Rick Collins is going to cover this issue in-depth in his new book that is in print so the facts should be available soon.

W6
 
Re: NO NO NO NO NO NO

Thiassi_new said:
I got busted for this, please do not try this!!!!!!!! I walked up to customes with my GH, put it on the table and they acted like I put a kilo of coke on the table. I asked for a person in charge and they came out, I showed them a print out of the law where you can bring back a personal ammount without perscription and he said "Do you think I'm stupid, you can not bring back a controled substance and you can not bring back steroids for any reason." They took my address and copied my drivers liscense, I had to sign a letter that I tried to bring in a controled substance and then I was free to go. About two weeks later I got a letter from customes with my information and a list of everything they caught that month, my GH was listed. I was very supprised there were only three other people caught with roids in the same month.

Whoever started this post is a very very stupid liar!!!!!!! Why would you do this and try to get people in trouble. Perhaps you did not want to try it yourself and started this thread to see if it would work, so let me tell you IT WON'T!!!!!!!

L8R
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Can I please direct yalls attention to this guys post count....1. You are either Texasguns or related to to the fuck face so... Fuck you. Fuck off. And above all suck my experienced fucking dick you nobody piece of shit.

To everyone else I am sorry for my language but I am getting frustrated with all this nonsense.

All I intended on doing by starting this thread is informing bros that smuggle personal doses that they don't need to. That is all.
 
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hey bobber,

AAS = controled substance in the USA, period.
You got away with this cause most BP are imcomp.

Declairing to a BP that you are going to bring an illegal substance into the US is crazy. Its just a matter of time before you get popped.
 
plate said:
hey bobber,


You got away with this cause most BP are imcomp.
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I sure hope the people gaurding our border are ALL educated to look for the same things and to know what is and is not illegal. This is their jobs people, they are not going to let me in and not you or one let me in and not the other. Yall are too damn reclusive about this subject. I am about to erase this fucking thing.
 
Don't delete it. :)

I don't see why anyone would need any more proof. It's all been posted. You can declare prescription drugs at the border. I live by the border and know people who do it all the time. Period....
 
plate said:
hey bobber,

AAS = controled substance in the USA, period.
You got away with this cause most BP are imcomp.

Declairing to a BP that you are going to bring an illegal substance into the US is crazy. Its just a matter of time before you get popped.
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"Controlled" and "Illegal" are two different things MORON!! Read the entire Thread next time, and you won't sound so friggin ignorant!

Here, I'll educate your ass...An "Illegal" item would be one that is considered to have Z-E-R-O medicinal use by the FDA, and thus is REGUALTED by the DEA. Those items all fall into a "contolled" category(CI), but are illegal in every sense of the word. "Controlled" is an item that is avaiable with a Doctors prescrition. It may also be on the Controlled Substances list, but that doesn't make it "illegal".
 
That was not my first post, I have not posted in many years, but I still read. I just do not want to see any more people get hurt like I did. I did not get a fine or anything, but if I get caught in the future, I'm sure they will hit me harder. As the topic of GH is not a roid, I tried to tell the first agent that, but got nowhere. I asked for a supervisor and he took the box into the back room made a few calls, I could see him through the window, and came back to tell me it was listed as a steroid on their list of controled items. Please do not try this, just put it in your pocket. The one thing I learned from all this is they do not bust very many people with roids. JUST DON'T TRY IT.

L8R
 
It was this past June. i had seen the debate when they passed this new law several years ago. E2 and others on here banted back and forth about it, but no one ever tried it. I then found this website http://qualitycounts.com/hghmex.html

And I thought hell it must be o.k. so I printed the website plus other information from the Customes website. Went down there and tried and failed.

L8R
 
Hmmmm......I guess its someone elses turn now. I made it, Thiassi didn't. Where is Star? She has personal experience.
 
Bobber said:
Hmmmm......I guess its someone elses turn now. I made it, Thiassi didn't. Where is Star? She has personal experience.
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You got LUCKY. Also Border Patrol doesnt work at the crossing unless there is an emergency-it's US CUSTOMS AGENTS.
Lastly you getting a bottle of Boldonon across was just due to the agent either not caring or not knowing what the fuck was going on.
I've been around alot longer than you have and your actions were foolish. Do what you want but anybody emulating you is a fool.
 
There's something I don't understand here Thiassi,

Under TITLE 21 - FOOD AND DRUGS, CHAPTER 13 - DRUG ABUSE PREVENTION AND CONTROL SUBCHAPTER I - CONTROL AND ENFORCEMENT, Section B there is nothing that lists GH or any related peptide hormone as a controlled substance. Only anabolic steroids, stimulants, narcotics and other mind-altering drugs.

Why would you sign something that states you illegally tried to bring back a controlled substance when you didn't?

Are customs exempt from Federal Law? Do they make up their own laws regarding what crosses the border? or is it just plain intimidation on their part to prevent "bodybuilding" drugs, controlled or otherwise from being imported legally within the loopholes created by the law.

W6
 
I had argued with two agents for about twenty minutes that the GH was for anti-aging, but they were starting to get upset and said at least 10 times that GH was a steroid. I did not want a $500 fine which they did bring up two times, that they were not going to give me the fine because I forfeited the controlled substance, and they only wanted my information. I gave up when the supervisor said "Do you think I'm stupid?" .

L8R
 
How can they fine you for something that is not a controlled substance as defined by the Controlled Substance Act? Isn't there something illegal about that in itself?

W6
 
Thiassi_new said:
I had argued with two agents for about twenty minutes that the GH was for anti-aging, but they were starting to get upset and said at least 10 times that GH was a steroid. I did not want a $500 fine which they did bring up two times, that they were not going to give me the fine because I forfeited the controlled substance, and they only wanted my information. I gave up when the supervisor said "Do you think I'm stupid?" .

L8R
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YES
 
ok i was there in person

i've been there many of times and it is all trure what bobber is saying. We passed though the mexico side paid our $1.90 wait in our car driving across the bridge in that long line. We know we look very out of the ordinary cause there were 3 guys in the car all huge. as soon as i pulled up the boder man siad

" are you u.s. citizens? yes and pulled out my id
" did you bring anthing back? yes medication and stupid things
" ok well pull up into that slot right there and they'll search you!

so i pulled over and bober my other friend and i all got out.

i quickley said i'm claming these bottle and my friends have some too. I set bolderon ethenate250 and 50 tabs of winny. My friends set all their stuff out to. then the bp agent said

" ok now i'm going to search your car and everything if i find anything you will have charges presed and so forths
I replied and said ok so then in like 25 min they were done
then they checked our dL for warrents and stuff then said ok you can go .
so we picked up all the juice and put it in my bag and left.

We couldn't of got luckley cause we put the juice right on a big metal table and everyone (bp peopl) were all checking it out.

i hope this thread help and if you don't believe it then don't wright stupid ass coments back just take this knowledge and do what you want to do with it.
 
Im not doubting your story,
what I am saying is this. It is illegal for you to posses AAS with out a script, this is correct is it not.

So in my opinion declaring to the BP that you have AAS is not a good idea. Very simple they point out your car you pass through get pulled over bam your busted at that point getting past BP really doesnt matter does it. My cograts on your trip and safe return.
 
why dont a few bros from cali and texas go to different border crossings and cross completely clean and as they are leaving simply ASK (Is vet gear, growth hormone, human grade steroids legal to cross with). IF WE GET SEVERAL OPINIONS AND THEY ALL AGREE THEN THERE YOU GO. ITS THAT SIMPLE. IF THE FEDS or BORDER patrol suspect something then u get ur car searched but your clean. NOTHING CAN HAPPEN TO YOU.
 
Bobber:

Did they check your name in their data base and see that you had been popped before? I have gotten popped before and was wondering if this was an issue at all. All I had the first time was a personal use sized cycle.

I just know that if I try this again and get jammed up I will be fucked. I wanna go this weekend, but am VERY aprehensive. I have been reading all this and want to at least go and ask.
 
IronKop77 said:
why dont a few bros from cali and texas go to different border crossings and cross completely clean and as they are leaving simply ASK (Is vet gear, growth hormone, human grade steroids legal to cross with). IF WE GET SEVERAL OPINIONS AND THEY ALL AGREE THEN THERE YOU GO. ITS THAT SIMPLE. IF THE FEDS or BORDER patrol suspect something then u get ur car searched but your clean. NOTHING CAN HAPPEN TO YOU.
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I'd do this but I'm scared they'll flag my name and harrass me everytime I cross.

I cross the border serveral time a week.
 
Where the fuck you been Liftin62? These fuckers just refuse to believe me. I swear you just try to help people out and they have the nerve to callyou a fucking liar.

Guey- Both me and Liftin62 have been popped at the border before and it didn't matter one bit.


All I have to say about this topic is that it will be put to rest really soon. I am not going to say how or when due to the fact that I am sure feds are keeping track but real soon I will have concrete evidence for yall. Then all you sceptics will have to line up and kiss my hairy rock hard ass!!!!
 
:p i will be going to TJ next week before i cross the border from USA to MEX. I will ask them just to be safe.
1.- I will ask i want to know if i can bring back human grade as.
if they said no.
then fine i will go buy some tequila.
and i will buy some decca test but i will :D shot it there in mex.because i am in half way in my cycle:D .that way they can kiss my big ass.:good: :good:
 
a script it not needed because they are vet drugs. do you go to your vet and ask for a script on deca for my dog? No and if you had a script to buy pharmacutical drugs then the pharmasist takes them and keeps it for his records. then when you cross the boarder if you have drugs that require a script then they would have to verify it with the place you bought it. but at the boarder they just assume what they want and as long as you only have personal supply then your ok..

now i did that same thing. I crossed the boarder like 3 weeks ago and when i went across the american side i asked them if i could bring them back.. well they weren't sure. they told me what ever i do just don't hide it and they'll work with me.

so don't hide anything.
 
IronKop77 said:
why dont a few bros from cali and texas go to different border crossings and cross completely clean and as they are leaving simply ASK (Is vet gear, growth hormone, human grade steroids legal to cross with). IF WE GET SEVERAL OPINIONS AND THEY ALL AGREE THEN THERE YOU GO. ITS THAT SIMPLE. IF THE FEDS or BORDER patrol suspect something then u get ur car searched but your clean. NOTHING CAN HAPPEN TO YOU.
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I am real close to TJ. I will print out the related customs website pages and just ask one of the crossing gaurds (and show them the printouts). I will get back to yall on the outcome within a week.
 
wilson6 said:
Tech,

I understand where that came from and it is referred to as a "unit" in the sentencing guidelines under paragraph (g).

The question here is, if there is no prescription then how is a dose defined? Could it be argued that a dose = a unit?

and.....is GH a controlled substance at the Federal level? There's nothing noted on the on-line Humatrope package insert for example and it certainly isn't a steroid.

W6
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that is why I wrote a letter directly to the Customs Headquarters.
 
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