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I am going to ask a cop this next time I get a ticket
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Warik
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He will not answer or he will insult you because he knows it's true. I've seen a cop almost kill somebody by grossly violating the traffic laws with his sirens off.
It was a 2 lane street with 1 left turn lane. I changed lanes into the left turn lane and nobody was ahead of me in the left, there was 1 car in the lane next to me and a cop car a ways behind it. The light turned yellow and the first car wasn't going to make it, so he started slowing down. Light turned red and he stopped and the next group of traffic started moving. Sitting at a red light for 30 seconds is obviously a waste of time for our noble public servant, so he cut ME off by swerving into my lane, then changed lanes IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION back to the straight lane and nearly hit the left-to-right traffic doing it, all to save 30 seconds of his precious time.
Fucking prick. Who polices the police?
-Warik
It was a 2 lane street with 1 left turn lane. I changed lanes into the left turn lane and nobody was ahead of me in the left, there was 1 car in the lane next to me and a cop car a ways behind it. The light turned yellow and the first car wasn't going to make it, so he started slowing down. Light turned red and he stopped and the next group of traffic started moving. Sitting at a red light for 30 seconds is obviously a waste of time for our noble public servant, so he cut ME off by swerving into my lane, then changed lanes IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION back to the straight lane and nearly hit the left-to-right traffic doing it, all to save 30 seconds of his precious time.
Fucking prick. Who polices the police?
-Warik
TheProject
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curling said:
Well, duh.
jwill3:16
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curling said:
All thats going to do is add more tickets and if you live there or go throught the town just harass i know my buddy that our cops just make it more painful on them.
The best thing to do is be honest and say yes sir or no sir and if you know a cop on there force drop the name when he ask you for licence.
the nature boy
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just take your ticket and be done with it.
THeMaCHinE
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They will tell you yes they do, and that it is necessary so that they can see a larger cross-segment of traffic.
duritz
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my advice, befriend a state trooper. Whenever you get pulled over say, "my cousind trooper so and so said to mention his name when I got pulled over" Make sure u OK it with the trooper you befriended. They will write your name and license number down and if your friend vouges for you, no ticket. Cops don't want to give family member's of other cops tickets because they want their own family members to get out of them as well. It's an unwritten rule. Try it. I have 
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Warik
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curling said:
Then he would say: "yes, I could, but unlike you, I don't get caught... umm... shit where's my doughnut?"
THeMaCHinE
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curling said:
It's a lot more effective for cops to come up behind people than have everybody come up behind them.
It is part of their job.
Toozee
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I believe I would pay the $40 to my lawyer to handle it.....
I would also thank the officer and the police in general for doing what they can, for so little pay, to keep me and my family from getting hurt and and my crap from getting stolen.
I sure dont feel like dressing up and possibly getting shot at.
I would also thank the officer and the police in general for doing what they can, for so little pay, to keep me and my family from getting hurt and and my crap from getting stolen.
I sure dont feel like dressing up and possibly getting shot at.
bwood
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Y_Lifter said:
and a lot of the time they are going code 2 1/2...
this means that another officer is in trouble and
needs help but hasnt put out the appropriate
"language" that the shitheads in admin. deem
worthy of code 3(lights and siren) response...
its a brotherhood, you would do the same...
do some cops speed needlessly? well yes...
just giving you one scenario out of thousands...
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Baoh
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I like police officers.
Curling, the limit is there. What you do after that, and the consequence of the action you take, is your responsibility to bear.
Curling, the limit is there. What you do after that, and the consequence of the action you take, is your responsibility to bear.
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Warik
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curling said:
Because they are above the law.
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Baoh
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curling said:
Who was speeding when you got the ticket?
naturally anabolic
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I am not in favor of certain traffic violations and car laws. I have seen cops doing 90+mph without lights to go to fucking dunkin donuts, i kid you not.
honestly, if i wanted a traffic parent i will drive with my mom in the car so she can scream at me for doing 10 over the speed limit. Cops annoy me, I have been pulled over and not issued a ticket but "warned" because i did 33 in a 30, it was on a fucking decline and i refused to wear my brakes out to justify a 3mph speed difference. I felt like asking the officer his is coffee was cold and he was waiting for dunkin donuts to reopen.
I honestly believe they should incorporate an Autobahn style road system, and change the licensing process so that a person has to display much more driving skill then having an 80 year old senile woman asking for them to parallel park and then passing them as long as they didnt plow into someones rearend like aap and a bottom.
honestly, if i wanted a traffic parent i will drive with my mom in the car so she can scream at me for doing 10 over the speed limit. Cops annoy me, I have been pulled over and not issued a ticket but "warned" because i did 33 in a 30, it was on a fucking decline and i refused to wear my brakes out to justify a 3mph speed difference. I felt like asking the officer his is coffee was cold and he was waiting for dunkin donuts to reopen.
I honestly believe they should incorporate an Autobahn style road system, and change the licensing process so that a person has to display much more driving skill then having an 80 year old senile woman asking for them to parallel park and then passing them as long as they didnt plow into someones rearend like aap and a bottom.
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Warik
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bwood said:
And I have seen cops give people $300 tickets for speeding in a school zone a half hour before dismissal and yelling "BULLSHIT" when the person insists that he was clocked before he reached the school zone and that he was below 15 when he finally got in the school zone because it would have been almost impossible to stop within skidding at 36mph after being told to pull over.
Cops are above the law when it comes to traffic violations. Getting yelled at in someone's office doesn't compare to being forced to work half a week (before taxes) to pay for some revenue-builder.
Days off without pay? rofl. With the horseshit cops are paid on average, they'd need months off without pay to even begin to compare with the amount of damage they'd done to innocent people.
You know that there are people who really CAN'T afford to pay a stupid speeding ticket? Single moms, two-job dads, working college kids... etc? What was their crime besides doing what EVERY cop does EVERY day WITHOUT harming anyone?
To serve and protect? Bullshit.
As I've said before: cops are a misappropration of tax dollars.
And, if what MattTheSkyWalker claims is true about lack of crime in good neighborhoods having nothing to do with a police presence, half the force could quit and my life would actually be better as opposed to worse.
Sorry if you're a cop who is a GOOD cop and chases criminals as opposed to the people who pay his salary and he claims to protect. Don't take it personally, but if you are a cop, I have virtually no respect for the average traffic cop and MUCH less for a highway patrol officer.
I'd probably drive through a puddle at 40mph to soak a cop walking to the gas station because he ran out of gas instead of stopping to give him a ride. It's not like I ever see cops pull over when people are on the side of the road with their hazzards on.
The only cops I have any respect for frankly are the ones who don't wear the uniform.
-Warik
naturally anabolic
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warik i agree with you in same things.
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HULKSTER
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curling said:
I think the problem is that, generally, there are far too many police officers in the suburbs (where I live). In the city, YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH!!! Very small towns/rural areas usually don't have a police force in the state where I live, so the State Police are responsible for handling any problems in those towns. But the suburbs have the problem of having enough residents/taxpayers' to help pay for a sizable force through property taxes and speeding tickets, although the crime rate in those very same suburban towns doesn't justify such a large police force. In the town in which I live, it is about 2 square miles with about 8,000 residents----and virtually no crime. There has not be a murder in my town in 11 years. Drug dealing and petty crime is almost nonexistent. AND YET MY TOWN HAS A POLICE FORCE CONSISTING OF 36 officers! WTF is that all about? And since there is no crime to justify that large number of officers, the officers have to find something else to do. Which is to hide on the side of the road somewhere and catch speeding motorists. Why? Because the township needs all the revenue from fines and moving violations it can get in order to pay for an unnecessarily large police force.
TheProject
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Wah wah wah.
Don't speed if you can't pay the fine.
Don't speed if you can't pay the fine.
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Citruscide
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curling said:
That sounds like a logical and rational question....
.... that will go unanswered.
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Warik said:
Whoa there, nelly.
You said a lot of things there that were very forceful but to which I have no specific response. However this last statement blatantly misrepresents police behavior.
You can't use a sample of your own experience only to generalize the behavior of cops. I have seen plenty of cops stop to investigate why someone was stopped on a road. And I'm sure it's standard procedure.
Most of the time when you come across a cop it's for a bad reason. Thus our natural distaste for cops. However complaining about it doesn't make them leave you alone or make it right to violate the law, no matter how unreasonable the law is.
naturally anabolic
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TheProject said:
the answer to that is dont fine in the first place....refer to my autobahnn response
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naturally anabolic said:
But do you EVER see that happening?
Yeah, me neither.
I seem to recall being taught, somewhere in my education, that our highways our engineered in such a way that you can go 10 or 15 miles above the posted limit safely, in most cars, without losing control.
Assuming that to be true, if you place that type of decision in the hands of all motorists, it's not going to be safe. Yes, your car and your driving ability might be able to handle 110 around that turn. Jimmy Dumbshit in his Ford Explorer hits that same turn at 90, and rolls.
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TheProject said:
Whatever. It's not like the police are pulling over guys going 20+ mph over the speed limit. Where I live, the vast majority of speeding tickets are for people going 5mph over the limit. Obviously, the TAXPAYER DOLLAR FUNDED POLICE OFFICERS don't have any REAL CRIME to keep them busy, so their fat asses sit on the side of the road with a jelly donut shoved in their mouths as they wait for a working, single-mother to go over the speed limit because she is in a rush to get to work after dropping off her kids at a daycare center. Cops are the scum of the earth. Whether it be the local beat cop, or someone working for the NSA/DEA, scum are scum.....only the names and titles are different. I'm tired of these crazy, fucked up cops with their stupid, $2 dollar, discount KMart haircuts walking and driving around the very peaceful suburbs acting like they were just dropped into the middle of Iraq. They are not in the military, so why do they all have those fucking retarted looking military-shaved haircuts? What's the purpose? The prevention of lice? And why do they have to act like overzealous bullies, when there is virtually no crime or "bad guys" in the towns in which they work? And if these same suburban cops I speak of are so talented, top-notch cops, then why couldn't they get a job with the State Police or FBI? Is it because they are too goddamn uneducated and outright stupid? Christ, by the looks of their haircuts, I'd say so!!!
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naturally anabolic
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TheProject said:
damn only 110? i was able to hit like 121 in the boxster on an open highway
...it was closed to the public....
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HULKSTER
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I've noticed a very similar trait, OR SHOULD I SAY PROBLEM, with the PRO-FASCIST, AUTHORITARIAN members of EF....they are not Libertarians or Republicans who truly care about this country and are seeking an equal balance between protection for the US as a whole, while trying to protect individual citizen's Constitutional rights. They are just a bunch of hatefilled, crazy, Nazi-like Authoritarian zealots who wish to control every aspect of the minds and bodies of every single person in this country. There are far too many members on this website who believe that laws should be followed JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE LAWS! "The Law is the Law" they would say. Or even more despairing, "Who are WE to question the laws". Or the law enforcement officials who zealously enforce any law without thinking about the merits and consequences of enforcing unjust, unconstutional laws/acts like the Patriot Act, "I'm just doing my job, you don't like it, tell it to the Judge". Certain people need to realize that just because something is a law, doesn't necessarily mean it s a just, righteous and morale law. Hell, most of the laws that were created by BOTH the federal and state governments were created by men and women who themselves are FALLIBLE, MORTAL, CORRUPTABLE and MISTAKE-PRONE HUMAN BEINGS. It's time for people to embrace the truly patriotic and freedom-protecting ideals of the Libertarian Party!!!
Fast Twitch Fiber
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On the flip side, have you ever seen someone driving like a maniac doing 90 in a 30 zone during heavy traffic and the cop doesn't stop him? I saw this once and wanted to smack him around. Meanwhile I always seem to get nailed a 4 am with no traffic for doing 8 over.
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HULKSTER said:
Are you truly that ignorant?
Are you aware that many police departments have traffic units, whose responsibility it is to enforce the traffic laws?
I've been stopped for doing 10 over, and I've been stopped for doing 40 over. So fucking what. It's luck of the draw. And you know what? I was polite, signed the ticket, and either paid the fine or hired a lawyer.
I have two very good friends who are cops, and neither one of them works traffic. They do a lot of mundane shit, but both of them have helped hundreds of people, including saving lives. One of them's even been shot at after stopping a rape. And you can't sit there and tell me I should hate someone who's willing to put their life on the line every day for a shitty salary and ingrate punks like you. Furthermore, did you know that officers can be held liable in a civil court in the event of a shooting? That they put themselves out on a personal financial limb to serve the public?
It amazes me that people like you can spew out that much nastiness and hatred over a few hundred bucks.
Law enforcement has become an issue of revenue gathering. hence the development of civli asset forfeiture laws. Got pot in your car? You could lose your car? Grow it inyour house? You an lose your house.
Traffic cops is the same thing...gathering revenue. That's all it is. That's it. A cop will tell you that traffic stops lead to a huge number of arrests. I'd like to see the data on how many of those arrests are for failing to deal with other traffic violations, or for petty drug stuff.
I truly don't understand the mentality of people who choose police-work as a career. I'm not gonna flame them....you all know I dislike them intently...but I just don't understand why anyone would want to do that with their lives.
Traffic cops is the same thing...gathering revenue. That's all it is. That's it. A cop will tell you that traffic stops lead to a huge number of arrests. I'd like to see the data on how many of those arrests are for failing to deal with other traffic violations, or for petty drug stuff.
I truly don't understand the mentality of people who choose police-work as a career. I'm not gonna flame them....you all know I dislike them intently...but I just don't understand why anyone would want to do that with their lives.
The Almighty
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Warik said:
Coast Guard.
The Almighty
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MattTheSkywalker said:
Ill reply to this, simply because you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it....and because most people feel the same way you do.
I plan on going into police work in about a month once I get my Bachelors...hopefully this will open doors to various government jobs. I already have an opportunity with the INS, but I dont know if thats the way I want to go.
I wont lower myself to being a traffic cop, and I dont want to be a patrol officer forever (which I know many cops enjoy).
To be honest, my goal is to work on a tactical team for one of the various agencies (ATF for example).
The Almighty said:
Well, I hope you find what makes you happy.
Seems like the military might suit you better. You'd get better weapons and training, more camaraderie (which a lot of cops crave, understandably - civilian jobs rarely offer it) and you could fight real American enemies, rather than cracking down on other Americans for having a drug lab or something.
If you want to be a tool of the State, at least be a tool used outside the state, not on other American taxpayers.
The Almighty
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MattTheSkywalker said:
Ive thought about that, in fact the Marines was originally my first choice once I got my degree. My decision has changed recently...I know it sounds stupid and many of the more insecure board members may criticize, but my soon-to-be-wife wouldnt be able to handle me being gone for the majority of 4 years...and it is only fair to put her feelings up there with mine.
In any case, I plan on joining the national guard before I settle down for the experience....like you said, mainly for the experience and doing something remotely beneficial to my country, although I wont be on the front lines.
The Almighty
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bwood, are you a cop?
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JohnyJuice
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The Almighty said:
I guess he is. That worries me when i talk about illegal shit in front of "the man", even though bwood is cool. You make me nervous bwood. Sorry but its the toof. I guess iw ill just have to risk you being a narc and busting me, and you will have to risk me spraying .45 shells at the door if you knock it down.
And Almighty, i understand that completely. I plan on possibly joining after graduation, but i dont think my family likes that idea. I respect you for considering her feelins.
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JohnyJuice
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2Thick said:
LOL. Exactly. If you are gonna take a stance, at leas be consistant.
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dballer
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Once upon a time there were 2 DUI crashes in one night. In both accidents the Drunk Driver was ok and was not injured. In both cases there was a family in the car. In one case the family was killed. In one case the family was ok and was not injured.
In one case the driver was a cop.... in the other case it was me.
One of these drivers was convicted of DUI and spent a year in state prison.. in the other the driver was suspended.
can you guess the rest?
FUCK THEM!!!!
In one case the driver was a cop.... in the other case it was me.
One of these drivers was convicted of DUI and spent a year in state prison.. in the other the driver was suspended.
can you guess the rest?
FUCK THEM!!!!
TheProject
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2Thick said:
I'm not advocating NOT speeding, nor do I see how my using or not using AAS should affect how I feel about the police.
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HULKSTER
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TheProject said:
And why is it that people like you believe that society as a whole, let alone in the specific case of my 2 SQ. MILE TOWN WITH 8,000 RESIDENTS AND VIRTUALLY NO CRIME, benefits by having a seperate "traffic unit". What's that? A unit specifically designed to create revenue for the township in order to keep an unnecessarily large amount of police officers on the force in order to completely dominate and control the local citzenry? You have made no educated or intelligent argument whatsoever as to justify small town police departments having far too large a police presence, when all their bored asses do is sit around and wait to pull someone over for going 5 mph over the speed limit. Also, I find it quite disturbing that someone on a very pro-AAS site is so extremely defendant of nonsensical, hypocritical laws and law enforcement policies. What's up with that?
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TheProject
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2Thick said:
You're missing my point.
Regardless of whether or not I do AAS...my stance about the cops isn't gonna change.
If I were to get busted for gear, I'd get a lawyer, and go through the process.
I get a ticket, I give it to my lawyer, and go through the process.
Am I pissed when I get a ticket? Sure.
Would I be pissed about getting busted for gear? Sure.
But am I going to blame an entire segment of public servants who are enforcing the law?
No. That's asinine.
I don't have to like the law, but if I'm speeding, I'm making a conscious decision to disobey the law, and I have to be prepared for the consequences.
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TheProject said:
Excuse me, MR. TRUMP I wasn't aware that it's only "a few hundred bucks". Excuse me for being so petty over only a "few hundred bucks". You say that shit like it's a few dollars. Furthermore, you defend the police by saying how people like me need them. I, nor anyone else, would not need the police to protect us if it weren't for the very same police who are doing everything in their power to erode the US Constitution's 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. In the state where I live, people can only have a registered gun in their homes. That's it---no exceptions. Thus, the very same law enforcement officials and politicians who have strived to take away our right to bear arms are NOW OBLIGATED TO PROTECT US, SINCE THEY WON'T LET US PROTECT OURSELVES!!!!
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TheProject
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HULKSTER said:
What?
You think the entire population of the US could be self-regulating if only we were all carrying weapons?
That's absurd.
And yeah, in the grand scheme of things, a couple hundred bucks isn't a big deal. Seems huge at the time, and it really pisses you off, but it shouldn't be enough to make you file for bankruptcy.
TheProject said:
bro, that's kinda silly.
I'm defending myself against DUI and it has cost me $20K so far. The police prosecution of it was a charade. No accident, no property damage, etc. It may go up; we haven't even been to trial. Yet I may spend their annual salaries to defend myself.
But forget all that. I have the money. It isn't about the money.
How can you not see that?
HULKSTER: 2nd Amendment is the right to bear arms. 4th is protection against unreasonable search and seizure.
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dballer
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curling said:
Yes curling.. I did. The cop that killed the other family did not even get handcuffed... he never went to jail.
curling.. this is why my faith in the American government is destroyed.
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MattTheSkywalker said:
Okay, I'll bite.
In your case, what is it about?
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dballer
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curling said:
I had the Johnny Cochran of my town.. or one of them.
It was my first.. and the bottom line was that they wanted to make an example out of me.
(my lawyer did a GREAT job... they wanted to give me 11 years!! that is more than some homicides!)
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HULKSTER
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MattTheSkywalker said:
I noticed that. But thanks for the heads up!!!
TheProject said:
It's about fairness, justice, all that shit I thought I was protecting in 3 years of military service.
Here are some facts:
I was stopped for speeding, one of the classic CONTRA-indicators of intoxication. There are 20 indicators of possible DUI drivers, (weaving, outside of lines etc.) and I indicated zero of them.
I passed all of the field sobriety tests. I was arrested for suspicion of DUI/odor of alcohol on the breath. when I got back to the station, I took the breath test.
Those asscocks made me take it 7 times. My readings were all over the place, from under .08 to .17.
Ultimately I was arrested and charged with DUI.
In time I will probably move somewhere else.
TheProject
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MattTheSkywalker said:
I'm not about to argue that the US justice system is equitable across the board; justice is bought and sold every day in this country.
Hell, it makes NO sense at all that I should be able to pay double the fine, and get by with no points on my license just because I called a lawyer. But I still take advantage of it.
I have a buddy who had a similar run-in to yours with a local county sheriff. He also passed the field sobriety tests, was hauled to the station, given a breathalyzer multiple times, failed to get a consistent reading, etc. In his case, he was released after several hours. He was mad as hell over the whole deal, and rightly so. However, he was lippy with the cop from the get-go, and I think that may have extended his encounter.
I just can't see hating an entire segment of public servants because of:
(A) Laws I don't like.
or
(B) Bad experiences with a smaller subset of those public servants that happen to be fuckups.
HS Lifter
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The Project- I agree with your points.
Matttheskywalker-
First of all my career goal is not to be a patrol officer, its to be a federal law enforcement agent. However I will be a regular cop before I apply for a federal postion. Why did I chose this path you ask? Well first I dont want a boring ass 9-5 job stuck in a 4x4 box everyday for the rest of my working career.
I wanted something exciting,rewarding, and somewhat fun. I also want to help people whenever I can.
The only field that met those interests was the Law Enforcement field. So thats the path Im taking.
I agree with everyone here that there are many asshole cops, but usually the cops are assholes because you were probably being one. Also chances are the cop did not "badger" you for no reason, you probably broke the law.
The Bottom Line: Dont break the law. You will be fine.
Anyway just so everyone knows Im 18 years old and majoring in criminal justice. I also work as a police explorer.
Also, dont let your personal experiences influence your opinion on police officers as a whole. Thats pretty ignorant.
Peace
Matttheskywalker-
First of all my career goal is not to be a patrol officer, its to be a federal law enforcement agent. However I will be a regular cop before I apply for a federal postion. Why did I chose this path you ask? Well first I dont want a boring ass 9-5 job stuck in a 4x4 box everyday for the rest of my working career.
I wanted something exciting,rewarding, and somewhat fun. I also want to help people whenever I can.
The only field that met those interests was the Law Enforcement field. So thats the path Im taking.
I agree with everyone here that there are many asshole cops, but usually the cops are assholes because you were probably being one. Also chances are the cop did not "badger" you for no reason, you probably broke the law.
The Bottom Line: Dont break the law. You will be fine.
Anyway just so everyone knows Im 18 years old and majoring in criminal justice. I also work as a police explorer.
Also, dont let your personal experiences influence your opinion on police officers as a whole. Thats pretty ignorant.
Peace
bwood
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MattTheSkywalker said:
that is bs that it happened to you, but we have talked about this before...
this doesnt make all departments bad however...
and until an iq/asvab type test is required for a license, i prefer traffic laws to an absence of traffic laws...
not that the worst drivers on the road right now have licenses
anyway though...
TheProject
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Lumberg said:
You might very well be right.
I seem to remember being taught that in junior high, so God only knows if it was valid.
collegiateLifter
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HULKSTER said:
you should read A Collection of Essays by George Orwell. In one of them he links sadism with authoritarian worshippers. Makes sense in this case as a lot of guys are drawn to gettin big specifically so that they may be more powerful and hence you have a lot of powerworshippers on a cite about lifting
collegiateLifter
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dballer said:
if the family had money and influence then it would be a different story
Rockafella Skank
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Not always. I come from a family of Illinois State cops ... my dad, an uncle and a cousin. Another cousin of mine was stopped for speeding by another ISPman and started dropping names as you describe. The trooper kept writing his ticket and said, "You ought to know better."duritz said:my advice, befriend a state trooper. Whenever you get pulled over say, "my cousind trooper so and so said to mention his name when I got pulled over" Make sure u OK it with the trooper you befriended. They will write your name and license number down and if your friend vouges for you, no ticket. Cops don't want to give family member's of other cops tickets because they want their own family members to get out of them as well. It's an unwritten rule. Try it. I have
And why would you want your cop friends to vogue for you? That's kind of gay.
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