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I am facing a serious dilemma

Lumberg

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This Friday a girl I had been on 2 dates with decided to end it and go with another guy she had also been dating casually.

I got fired up and decided I was going to change my image. Cos I'm not your typical aggressive, confident, well-groomed guy. I am no slob but you won't see me in the pages of GQ either. I've always been a sort of march to the beat of my own drummer kind of guy. Not good or bad, just is.

I met a guy this Friday, a neighbor who is a kind of weird redneck who was high and babbling. I was working on my car in the driveway and I didn't mind the company so we chilled for a while. Nice guy, a little weird and a little pathetic but I've never been one to shirk someone's company because of idiosyncracies. I guess I think of saintly people and how they accepted everyone and I think that's the way to be. I have several friends who if the average person met them, they would think they were weird. I tend to find the good qualities in people, and like to know lots of different types of people and kind of find the interesting and useful side of them. Basically if they don't threaten my physical or mental stability, I won't turn them away as acquaintances.

Anyways I realized this was a dilemma. On one hand, not being afraid to hang out with all sorts of people is a great quality. On the other hand as the saying goes you are the company you keep. So let's say I meet a girl. If she's a certain way and I introduce her to some of my friends she's going to think badly of me, no doubt about it.

I've talked this over with a couple of good friends, and there is no real solution. I feel like I need to make some new friends, sort of people I can present to another person as "the company I keep" to make a good impression. So I would have sort of two groups of friends--the "presentable" ones and the non-presentable ones. Of course eventually as I got to know a woman she would meet them all. But I would sort of restrict access to the presentable group at first. However I feel this is disingenuous.

Another thing I talked about with my male friend is that a woman generally wants a man she can show off to her friends. Thus all the talk of marrying a doctor, etc. I seek that to a certain extent, physical beauty is important to me but really important is our private interaction and how she makes me feel. I'm confident that I have similar enough internal standards to those of society that others' perception of the choice would not be negative.

Anyways I need to be a guy that would impress a group of females. Of course different people and social groups are impressed by different things, but personality and dress are both important. Money power and job I don't have much control over since I am pretty commited to my current job and career track.

Anyways I'm rambling. But I feel that two strong forces within me are in conflict right now and it feels weird.
 
Hey, I've known some of the guys in my circle of friends for a long damn time. If the woman I'm dating can't understand and respect that, then she's someone I don't need to be around.
 
TheProject said:
Hey, I've known some of the guys in my circle of friends for a long damn time. If the woman I'm dating can't understand and respect that, then she's someone I don't need to be around.

Exactly. Bros before hos.
 
From Zero said:
Exactly. Bros before hos.


Yes, you beat me to saying this. Friends are forever women will come and go. Ladies this should work the same way for you.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
I wouldn't stress over it so much and just be the person you want to be, don't change just to get more chicks.

Cleaning up and changing your attitude and appearance is fine, but not hanging out with certain people is stuck up and lame.
 
making new friends isn't going to change who you are (and shouldn't). if a girl really has a problem with my friends she can take a hike. biyatch.
 
you shouldnt pretend to be someone youre not or pretend to hang out with more "presentable" (as you put it) people to snag a chick.
 
I don't want anything to do with a woman that can't get along with people from all walks of life. I've always associated with a broad range of people...from doctors and lawyers to mechanics and businesspeople to cops and drug dealers. I like people for who they are, not what they do or what they wear....and wouldn't change my philosophy for ANY woman.
 
I'm not talking about pretending to be someone else. I mean making actual friends with new people. Not pretending to be their friends.

I guess before I would sorta just allow people to become my friends. I wasn't discriminating so the people who didn't have many friends became my friends. I'm talking about being more proactive. Of course not to the point of being a politician, but I guess less afraid to put it out there.

Also what about those sayings that say who you hang out with paints an accurate picture of you?
 
Lumberg said:
Anyways I need to be a guy that would impress a group of females.
All you have said boils down into this statement. There are many positive and healthy way to go about this. Compromising yourself is not one of them. If you have to ask, you will know the difference...
 
making "new" friends, to improve your dating prospects is pretty sad.

It'll backfire even worse trust me. If you don't have game. Assocating with different types of people ain't gonna make a single iota of difference. Your friends aren't gonna take your dick and stick it into some girl for you.

I suggest you re-think your battle plan.
 
My philosophy on this stuff is I am who I am. If someone doesn't like me because of who I am (i.e. the company I keep) I say fuck'em. Plenty of fish in the sea and there is someone that is going to accept you as you are. Forget about her and just holler next.
:qt:
 
Lumberg said:
I'm not talking about pretending to be someone else. I mean making actual friends with new people. Not pretending to be their friends.

I guess before I would sorta just allow people to become my friends. I wasn't discriminating so the people who didn't have many friends became my friends. I'm talking about being more proactive. Of course not to the point of being a politician, but I guess less afraid to put it out there.

Also what about those sayings that say who you hang out with paints an accurate picture of you?

I think that having a diverse group of friends mean you are an accepting person. Also that you don't pay attention to societal restraints and care more for who people are than what others think of them. This is a good quality and if a girl doesn't repect you for it than she is narrow minded and judgemental and you shouldn't waste you time on her lame ass.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Wow! that really got me thinking.................................Now i'm hungey!

RADAR
 
in the music industry, people who try to hang around the "cool famous" people are known as hanger-ons or groupies. Usually this crowd has low self-esteem to begin with. They try to hang around with people they wish they were, to make up for their own short-comings. It's never a good solution and rarely if ever do they achieve the same status as the people they hang out with.
 
I didn't read the rest of the replies. There are probably some great answers. Here's what I think though. You need to continue to be just the way you are unless you are unhappy with yourself. I was trying to explain this to Code the other day when he said that bodybuilders do what they do because they are vain. If you change yourself to please somebody else, you are setting things up for failure. It's tough enough sometimes just to make yourself happy. It takes too much energy and often isn't worth trying too hard to please others. Resentment can build and you'll end up being confused and wondering how to get back the time in your life when you were just you. The un-altered regular you, is going to be perfect for the right girl anyway.
 
Lumberg said:
This Friday a girl I had been on 2 dates with decided to end it and go with another guy she had also been dating casually.

I got fired up and decided I was going to change my image. Cos I'm not your typical aggressive, confident, well-groomed guy. I am no slob but you won't see me in the pages of GQ either. I've always been a sort of march to the beat of my own drummer kind of guy. Not good or bad, just is.

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Typical after rejection...chances are though, even if you did change, the chic would've still dissed you. Usually their is more at stake than you know about. Nothing wrong with wanting to look better, but keep in my mind that will only get you so far. It's good to know a miscellany of people, you never know when you may need specific help from one of them...as far as changing friends goes, this would only be neccessary if you thought your current crowd was leading you down the wrong path...i.e drug abuse, jail, etc. Ditching friends to get pussy will only come back to burn you...
 
Well my dissatisfaction with myself also comes from not getting a job I was up for. I feel it is time to make a change in my life. I'm just not sure how to do it.

Razorguns you are being too harsh. One of the ways to improve is to look at people who are accomplishing what you want and emulate them. There is no shame in that. For example if some guy in your company is moving fast up the ladder, and he has a few habits (like lets say he's really clean cut and polite) it wouldn't hurt to go get a haircut and throw in a "sir" every once in a while while talking to your bosses.

I don't get my kicks from just being around people that are cool. I get my kicks from accomplishing goals, like financial goals (buying a house, refinancing, having a certain amount of money in the bank), personal goals (lifting a certain amount of weight, dating a beautiful, caring woman, landing a certain trick on my skateboard), and career goals (learning new skills, completing projects, getting raises/promotions/better jobs).

For some of those goals it might help to associate with certain people and/or have a certain attitude. Is that selling out? Hell yeah it's selling out. I know who I am inside, I'm not going to lose my identity because I start wearing a suit.

Also ideally I want to make real friends with a certain type of people. Not just pretend to be their friend. I genuinely want to make friends. If, for example, I meet a bunch of people that I think would help my image if I hung out with them, but they were to a person assholes or just people I didn't gel with then I wouldn't hang out with them.

I want to be more proactive and less reactive socially. That's what it biols down to.
 
Well my dissatisfaction with myself also comes from not getting a job I was up for. I feel it is time to make a change in my life. I'm just not sure how to do it.

Razorguns you are being too harsh. One of the ways to improve is to look at people who are accomplishing what you want and emulate them. There is no shame in that. For example if some guy in your company is moving fast up the ladder, and he has a few habits (like lets say he's really clean cut and polite) it wouldn't hurt to go get a haircut and throw in a "sir" every once in a while while talking to your bosses.

I don't get my kicks from just being around people that are cool. I get my kicks from accomplishing goals, like financial goals (buying a house, refinancing, having a certain amount of money in the bank), personal goals (lifting a certain amount of weight, dating a beautiful, caring woman, landing a certain trick on my skateboard), and career goals (learning new skills, completing projects, getting raises/promotions/better jobs).

For some of those goals it might help to associate with certain people and/or have a certain attitude. Is that selling out? Hell yeah it's selling out. I know who I am inside, I'm not going to lose my identity because I start wearing a suit.

Also ideally I want to make real friends with a certain type of people. Not just pretend to be their friend. I genuinely want to make friends. If, for example, I meet a bunch of people that I think would help my image if I hung out with them, but they were to a person assholes or just people I didn't gel with then I wouldn't hang out with them.

I want to be more proactive and less reactive socially. That's what it biols down to.

you know what? you talk out of your ass. you're all blow and no show. you do an awful lot of thinking and talking (incessantly) but you never take action in a positive way.
you waste your own time and energy as well as others'
 
Uh oh.
 
All your misconceptions are wrong. I don't know what to say. You've been reading the wrongs.

Women date YOU, not your car, your friends, your clothes, whatever.

I could go into a club, dressed like a slob, no friends, walk up to chicks - and still walk out with #'s.

Lestat could do the same thing - but he'd walk out with #'s and really bad photographs.

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I wouldn't stress over it so much and just be the person you want to be, don't change just to get more chicks.

Cleaning up and changing your attitude and appearance is fine, but not hanging out with certain people is stuck up and lame.

I agree, present the best you and others will come around.
 
I wouldn't stress over it so much and just be the person you want to be, don't change just to get more chicks.

Cleaning up and changing your attitude and appearance is fine, but not hanging out with certain people is stuck up and lame.

agreed, you're over thinking things bro. I hear guys tell me all kinds of excuses of how chicks just want guys with money blah blah blah. How much money i have doesn't even always come up. Be a funny genuine person and if they're attracted to you.... is all you really need.
 
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