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HYPOTHYRODISM from T3 --> Help !!!!

junk

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Ok, I'm a guy but guys on the Anabolic board told me I should post my question here as well because a lot of women experience Thyroid problems (much more than man that is)


Ok I couldn't resist waiting for the bloodtest results. I just had to write this post.

I took T3 (tapered up and down slowly) for up to 37.5mcg (this dose only 3 days) and went down slowly (25mcg, 12.5mcg, 6mcg)
I only took T3 for a month which is considered very safe. But I already read posts here that showed sensitive users that hurt themselves from low dosage (rare cases which do exist)

A month AFTER I stopped the T3 while continuing my cycle (Sust & Fina) I started feeling VERY bad. I wrote a post down here and some good bro asked if I make a Thyroid panel blood test. I made all kind of blood tests but they were useless because they were made DURING my T3 cycle.

I took all sorts of shit before (Fina, Sust, Bromo, ECA, Clen) and nothing happened. T3 is the only new shit I took this time.

I never thought as Thyroid being my problem because I stopped the T3 a whole month ago, so I thought I should have gotten the symptoms back then and not only a month later.

Anyway, I started reading about the symptoms of Hypothyrodism and got a PERFECT clearly 100% matching symptoms:

1) Feeling cold all the time while others aren't. That's the number was warning side: You see, I am a type of guy that is always feeling hot, NOT cold.I even go skying with a t-shirt! To emphesize more, all my friends are always cold to death and freezing while I'm actually turning the car's aircondition on! I was always SUPER hot person.
NOW Since 4 days I am ALWAYS feeling EXTREMELY cold! I am going to sleep with 3 sweathshirts and turning the car's airconditioning but this time to the Hotting warming button (I never pressed this button in my life!! It's the opposite of me!)

2) Feeling lethargy. Like even if I sleep 3 hours during the day, I wake up feeling 'heavy' like my leg muscles don't want to move or walk. VERY strange feeling, I never felt in my whole life. Walking becomes a pain in the ass and can almost make me cry since it's so mentally hard for me.

3) Feeling depressed. While actually good financial things happened to me in the last few days among other things, I actually feel worse than before when I really had terrible problems. Rationally I should feel much better now (If I didn't have this shitty probable Thyroid problem)

4) Involuntary muscle cramps(I don't know if it's considered cramps), my quads (the lateralis head) is 'jumping' all day long and particularely at night. This has never happened to me to this extreme before.

5) Loose interests very fast with persons around me.

6) Have memory problems you wouldn't believe.

These sensations I am describing are hard to describe, as it's not like feeling sick with a flu or a virus or something, it's a different kind of feeling. A much worse one. I don't want to workout, but I force myself.

Hours after reading and realizing I probably have thyroid problem, I just went for a private blood tests of T3,T4 and TSH. I should have the results ready by Sunday morning and I am already searching for a private Endocrynologist MD that could meet me ASAP after the blood tests arrive, because I must be ready for a Thyroid problem (in the worest case I will just cancel the session with the doc). I just can't stand the feeling. It's horrible. I cannot stand and afford myself a single more day feeling like I do right now. It's horrible, I can't stand it anymore.

I have questions for Thyroid experts (probably the ones that have already been in my shoes) :

1) How much time after you stopped taking T3 did you notice the problems?

2) From the minute you walked out of the Endocrinologyst office with prescribed medication (T3 or T4) how long did it take for you to feel 100% again?

3) Do you take the medication for life?

4) Does your metabolims stays like shit or does it come back just like it was before taking the medications? I mean, is it always a bit lower than before ?

If anyone experienced or knowlegble can help a million thanks in advance.
 
I wish I could tell you - I'm starting to learning myself, just being recently diagnosed.

Try thyroid.org and about.com has a lot of info on it as well. Just do a search for "hypothyroid".

Also, a great book, 'Living Well with Hypothyroidism' by Mary J. Shomon
 
junk said:

I took T3 (tapered up and down slowly) for up to 37.5mcg (this dose only 3 days) and went down slowly (25mcg, 12.5mcg, 6mcg)
I only took T3 for a month which is considered very safe. But I already read posts here that showed sensitive users that hurt themselves from low dosage (rare cases which do exist)

TAPER LOOKED OK......TWICE AS LONG TO COME DOWN AS MAX DOSAGE

A month AFTER I stopped the T3 while continuing my cycle (Sust & Fina) I started feeling VERY bad. I wrote a post down here and some good bro asked if I make a Thyroid panel blood test. I made all kind of blood tests but they were useless because they were made DURING my T3 cycle.

NOT SUPRISING AS AN ANDROGENIC CYCLE WILL CAUSE THE T-3 PRODUCTION TO SLOW DOWN.


1) How much time after you stopped taking T3 did you notice the problems?

INDIVIDUAL THING ESPECAILLY AS MENTIONED ABOVE THE AAS WILL AGGRAVATE THE SITUATION

2) From the minute you walked out of the Endocrinologyst office with prescribed medication (T3 or T4) how long did it take for you to feel 100% again?

DOCS WILL NOT PRESCRIBE T-3 - YOU WILL GET SYNTHROID
HALF LIFE IS FAIRLY LOW SO YOU SHOULD FEEL BETTER WITHIN A WEEK

3) Do you take the medication for life?

....IF THE T3 IS INDEED DAMAGES THEN THE DOSING WILL BE A DAILY THING FROM NOW ON


4) Does your metabolims stays like shit or does it come back just like it was before taking the medications? I mean, is it always a bit lower than before ?

ANSWERED ABOVE

If anyone experienced or knowlegble can help a million thanks in advance.

POST THE RESULTS WHEN YOU GET THEM....THE TSH IS VERY IMPORTANT.
 
What about getting your Prolactin levels checked (Fina problem) ??! Are you taking Dostinex or Bromocriptine?
 
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Mmmm.. that's interesting.. I'm taking bromo every day, but I did stop it for 2 days when I ran out of stock. I ususally take 1.25 in the morning and 1.25 in the evening.. I'm on 150mg Fina EOD. Maybe that's not enought... I did stop the Bromo (thinking it may have caused me the problems) and returned to it two days ago though.

I am taking tonight before sleeping 1.5 tab of Bromo (2.5mg+1.25mg) and tomorrow morning again 2.5mg in the morning.. That's interesting thought... I wish I was told that before making the blood tests so I could also ask for prolactin. But I guess the TSH, T3, T4 are enought for now. And bumping the bromo to 3.75mg a day to see if things are getting better.
 
get your TSH checked ...thats thyroid stimulating hormone. If the level is over 5 then your thyroid function is low.

RG
 
well.....it depends on the units of measure on the TSH profile but yes - tsh is very important - make sure you get that done...a lot of time you will get T3, T4 and that is all.
 
TSH and both total and free T3 and T4. Get it checked ASAP and get your thyroid normalized. The best approach is to use Armour (a natural mix of T3 and T4). T4 alone will make you feel better, but doesn't always fix the metabolic problems. Also be aware if your taking levothyroxine (T4), keep the dosing time at least 4 hrs away from any soy products.

W6
 
Ok friends, blood tests arrived 5 minutes ago

HELP

T3 : Ng/DL < 40 (Normal range: 72-170)

FT4: Ng/DL 1.2 (Normal range: 0.8-1.9)

TSH: iu/ml 0.60 (Normal range: 0.40-4.00)


As I suspected having the EXACT symptoms of Hipothyrodism I was RIGHT.

Let me remind you that I was using only LOW dosages of T3 for ONLY less than a month !! Tapering up and down.

I kept detailed records of my T3 usage:

3 days: 6.25
5 days: 12.5
2 days: 18.75
2 days: 25
4 days: 37.5
3 days: 25
3 days: 18.75
3 days: 12.5
2 days: 6.25 This last dose was taken almost a month ago!

My symptoms began 4 days ago 3 weeks after last T3 pill was taken.

I was also on Fina for 6 weeks at 150mg EOD (Last injection was 3 days ago) along with Bromocriptine at 2.5mg ED during the 6 weeks time of the Fina.

I am also on HCG at 750iu a day for last 10 days of my cycle (Today will be the last HCG shot).

I am wondering if the TSH may be wrong because the HCG may give a false TSH reading perhaps?

Now I made a good research over the Internet and it seems this Hypothyrodism shit is not a simple issue. Many doctors don't agree with one another of the issues of TSH, Free T3 and opposed to free T4 and the use of Armour(T3,T4 from pigs) as opposed to Synthroid. I've also read that a doctor can pretty much FUCK my thyroid by giving me medications that I'll have to stay for life as opposed to Natural therapies and giving more time for self healing.

I AM FUCKING DESPERATE. I FEEL LIKE SHIT. I CAN'T TRAIN.. I CAN'T WORK.. I AM DEPRESSED. I MAY BE GAINING ALL THE WEIGHT I'VE LOST IN MY CUTTING CYCLE AND BE A FAT MAN (40% DECREASE IN METABOLISM IN HYPOTHYROID ILL PEOPLE). AND I AM STILL LOOKING FOR A PRIVATE OPEN MINDED ENDOCRINOLOGYST.

Please interpret my Blood tests readings and tell me what the fuck is going on. This is my 4th cycle and nothing happened to me before..

BTW: As of two days ago I started upping the Bromo dosage to 5mg (two pills a day) in hope that maybe my Prolactin levels cause all this shit. But 2.5mg should have been enough.

DO I NEED MEDICATION FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE?
CAN MY PROBLEM GO AWAY WITHOUT?
IF I START ARMOUR I UNDERSTAND IT'S FOR LIFE ALWAYS?


Maybe I have secondary Hypothyrodism. That is when TSH is quite low (like my blood test showed)

"""""
Primary hypothyroidism - the most common type - will always have a higher than normal TSH in the earliest stages, while the Total T4 and FreeT4 results may be normal.

Secondary hypothyroidism - is due to an abnormality in the pituitary gland not the thyroid gland and usually includes a low TSH not a high TSH. Therefore, a person could be hypothyroid but have a TSH result that would seem to show the person is hyperthyroid. This is not a very common illness. The FT4I test is used to determine treatment with thyroid hormone replacement in these hypothyroid patients and not the standard TSH test.
""""

This is getting complicated. can someone help? Maybe the HCG I was start taking in the last 10 days of my cycle (750ui ed) fucked up my pituitary gland ?

I think I will also make a Prolactin blood test tomorrow. Maybe the bromo at 2.5mg a day didn't stop the prolactin from the fina. who knows.


===========HELP==========
 
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Quit stressing out about all this. It isn't the hCG. Talk to your doc. The TSH is low and probably coming up on its own. The symptoms/responses lag behind the blood levels.

If they don't come back, then you'll have to take thyroid and it is not a big deal. If it does come back, then don't fuck with the T3 again.

W6
 
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