hypothetical steroid related question

[decem]

please leave in chat forum.


let's say there's this kid who goes about 5'8" and 170 with about 15% bf. said kid wants to lose fat and look good by mid- to late-fall, so he wants to gain some muscle but cut also, with cutting fat being main priority. let's also say that this kid is thinking of doing 1gr of test and 75mg of fina ed for 8 weeks to do this..

tell me if you agree with me or if you have different suggestion then please state that too.

1. i tell kid.. either cut or bulk.. not both.. direct all energy toward cutting fat and maintaining muscle or maintaining same fat amout and gaining muscle.. but not both.

2. i tell kid.. you don't need near that much gear to cut (shit.. probably not even to bulk) since you're only 170lbs..

3. i tell kid.. do 40-50mg var or 50-100mg winny ed for 8 weeks to strip the fat.. at most.

4. i tell kid.. never fucking touch fina cuz the shit will fuck you up..


i'm just trying to look out for a nugga.. so those that are aas experienced.. please state whether you agree or disagree.. or what you think kid should do.


nugs

 

[Jimsbbc]

This is the cylce i am on - my 7th week. I went from 208 to 245 so far, and 12% to 10%. Also, i have been using 20 IU of insulin a day.

 

[frorider6]

1. i tell kid.. either cut or bulk.. not both.. direct all energy toward cutting fat and maintaining muscle or maintaining same fat amout and gaining muscle.. but not both.

2. i tell kid.. you don't need near that much gear to cut (shit.. probably not even to bulk) since you're only 170lbs..

3. i tell kid.. do 40-50mg var or 50-100mg winny ed for 8 weeks to strip the fat.. at most.

4. i tell kid.. never fucking touch fina cuz the shit will fuck you up..

1. Disagree. I think you can lose bodyfat and gain muscle at the same time. Lift big, eat big, but watch what you eat. Diet plays a bigger part in doing this than lifting does.

2. Agree. He doesn't need much gear.

3. Agree. No experience with var yet but it's what I wish I'd done first cycle.

4. AGREE!!! I do have experience with this and still think it's crap.

 

[cockdezl]

please leave in chat forum.


let's say there's this kid who goes about 5'8" and 170 with about 15% bf. said kid wants to lose fat and look good by mid- to late-fall, so he wants to gain some muscle but cut also, with cutting fat being main priority. let's also say that this kid is thinking of doing 1gr of test and 75mg of fina ed for 8 weeks to do this..

tell me if you agree with me or if you have different suggestion then please state that too.

1. i tell kid.. either cut or bulk.. not both.. direct all energy toward cutting fat and maintaining muscle or maintaining same fat amout and gaining muscle.. but not both.

He can try either one, since he is not very fat, any muscle gain will shift his LBM/fat ratio in a positive direction (unless he gains too much fat). He can probably gain a good 25-30 lbs, keeping around 18-20, which will dramatically change his appearance, if he bulks (properly).

2. i tell kid.. you don't need near that much gear to cut (shit.. probably not even to bulk) since you're only 170lbs..

Yes, a gram is not needed for his venture. He could easily do it on 500mg test and 50mg fina (EOD) a week.

3. i tell kid.. do 40-50mg var or 50-100mg winny ed for 8 weeks to strip the fat.. at most.

No need to look for more expensive drugs that will give no benefit, his above cycle is economical and effective.

4. i tell kid.. never fucking touch fina cuz the shit will fuck you up..

Who told you that trenbolone was a dangerous drug? There is no evidence for this. All the claims are exaggerated or made up.

i'm just trying to look out for a nugga.. so those that are aas experienced.. please state whether you agree or disagree.. or what you think kid should do.


nugs

 

[gymtime]

I'm assuming he's never lifted before and is young, late teens maybe, based on your use of the term "kid". Based on that, he shouldn't be doing any gear at all, period.

 

[decem]

cockdezl.. the tren fucked me up yo.

gymtime.. actually i do think he's 19 or 20.. this would be his second cycle and i know there's no way to talk him out of it so i won't even bother.

 

[musclebrains]

How did the tren fuck you up?

(Nervous.)

 

[rippedtrojan]

in case you want to know, this kid is me. i am now 20 (since last week). and i have lifted before . numerous times, in fact!

i have a plan for 1g of test for 10 weeks. 75mg fina ed for first 6-8 weeks. the cycle is concrete yet. i may still back down on the dosages. the reason the test is high is because i'll probably be getting something like tornell. if i end up finding some better quality test in juarez, like maybe some qv, i will most likely bring down the dosage to 600-750mg a week. and i might bring the fina dosage down to 50mg a day or possibly 75mg eod. and cockdezl is right. one of the reasons i chose this cycle is because it has no reason not to be effective, and both test (mexican vet gear) and tren (homemade brew) are both relatively cheap, which is why i am chosing them, being a poor college student and all.

i plan on doing this cycle the around the last 10 weeks of the fall semester (or maybe having it stop so i start clomid and rest week during finals period). one of my goals is to drop my bodyfat during the cycle (i don't really know what my bf% is now, never had calipers or anything...i'm not fat, but i'm not super lean). i've been thinking about trying the ckd diet, for a full cutting diet. i may, however, just eat, and eat, but make sure i eat super clean, so i will fill out nicely and also help my bf drop. i know it's possible to gain weight and drop bf, because people have done it.

i still have plenty of time before i plan to start my 2nd cycle. in that time, my goal is to get up to 180. i have no reason to doubt i can't do it.

 

[cockdezl]

cockdezl.. the tren fucked me up yo.

I have got to hear how tren fucked you up.

 

[cockdezl]

in case you want to know, this kid is me. i am now 20 (since last week). and i have lifted before . numerous times, in fact!

i have a plan for 1g of test for 10 weeks. 75mg fina ed for first 6-8 weeks. the cycle is concrete yet. i may still back down on the dosages. the reason the test is high is because i'll probably be getting something like tornell. if i end up finding some better quality test in juarez, like maybe some qv, i will most likely bring down the dosage to 600-750mg a week. and i might bring the fina dosage down to 50mg a day or possibly 75mg eod. and cockdezl is right. one of the reasons i chose this cycle is because it has no reason not to be effective, and both test (mexican vet gear) and tren (homemade brew) are both relatively cheap, which is why i am chosing them, being a poor college student and all.

i plan on doing this cycle the around the last 10 weeks of the fall semester (or maybe having it stop so i start clomid and rest week during finals period). one of my goals is to drop my bodyfat during the cycle (i don't really know what my bf% is now, never had calipers or anything...i'm not fat, but i'm not super lean). i've been thinking about trying the ckd diet, for a full cutting diet. i may, however, just eat, and eat, but make sure i eat super clean, so i will fill out nicely and also help my bf drop. i know it's possible to gain weight and drop bf, because people have done it.

i still have plenty of time before i plan to start my 2nd cycle. in that time, my goal is to get up to 180. i have no reason to doubt i can't do it.

If you have never dieted before, then this will most likely be your biggest obstacle. It is easier to do the cycle, train, eat big, and visually gauge your body change and cut back if you are gaining too much fat.

 

[decem]

the trizzen nightmare....


1. every spot in my body where i injected that shit was sore as fuck for 4-6 days afterwards.

2. nightsweats. everynight. i'm talking about waking up, body soaking wet, shorts soaking wet, sheets soaking wet. i was washing my sheets every day.

3. blurry vision. i swear, my vision got blurry as hell about a week into it, it got a little better when i went to eod, then cleared when i stopped it.

4. fucking tired all the time. i wasn't overtraining. i was getting hella sleep. in fact, that's all i did was sleep.

5. boobalishess.. my boobays hated the tren as well... i tried like 10x the recommended daily dosage of vitex.. nothing. i took winny.. nothing. the nips have now recovered and are back to normal, or close to it, but it was close.

6. water fucking bloat. why does everyone on here always say that tren doesn't bloat you or give you just water weight? that's a complete crock of crap. i gained hella weight when i first started taking it, and half of it was in my gut. i stopped it, took ephedrine and drank tons of water, stripped off all the water weight in two or three days.





okee dokee... now knowing what you know about RT.. his stats and history and shit.. do you really think he should try gaining weight/muscle naturally then do a cutting cycle.. rather than dieting down naturally then coming back up on a bulking cycle with a strict diet so as not to gain fat.

it just makes no sense to me to try to gain muscle mass naturally, only have at best a moderate physique, then use steroids (and that fricking much to boot) to assist in dieting down.. i could see if one was fucking yoked beyond their genetic potential, where dieting down without aas would most likely be too taxing and would result in losing a good chunk of the already abundant muscle, but fuck.. this is clearly not the case.

damn it.. i'm writing in circles.

 

[The Shadow]

75 mg Fina and 50 mg Winny Ed.

Period.

 

[WODIN]

Tell him to start out natural and work to a plateau before he does any gear. This is a journey, not a race course.

 

[pushing_fe]

RippedTrojan.

I think that Test/Tren is a good combination. That was my first cycle, and I got great results off it. However, the half life for Tren is only 3 days and depending on what test you are using the half life could be 3 weeks. So I would run the Tren weeks 6-12 if you are going to run the Test for 10 weeks. Then you can go almost immediately into clomid therapy. IMO, nothing would suck more than waiting for 3 weeks to start clomid after ending a cycle.

I really like Tren and I had no problems when I used it. It is the most potent steroid that I have used in my limited experience with AS. If this is your first time using AS I would say go 75MG EOD of the Fina and 400-500MGS Week of Test. IMHO, 1G is way too much Test to be using even if you think that it is underdosed.

 

[The Shadow]

Fe - you are a little of on the half life of the Fina - half life is 24-36 hours thus making ED shots necessary

 

[pushing_fe]

Steroid half-life

Anadrol50/Anapolan50: 8 - 12 hours
Deca durabolan: 3 weeks
Dianabol: 4 - 8 hours
Equipoise: 17 - 21 days
Finajet/Trenbolone: 3 days
Primabolan depot: 10 - 14 days
Sustanon: 3 weeks
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate/Testaviron: 2 weeks
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days
Testosterone Suspension: 4 - 8 hours
Winstrol 8 - 12 hours

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.asp



Corn,
I usually go by this chart, but I have had several people tell me that the half-life is shorter than 3 days. Does it depend on what kind of finakit that you use to make it with or something. I'm getting ready to add Fina to my current cycle, and I have decided to go 75MG ED, but my first cycle I went EOD and had great results.

 

[spentagn]

No, it depends on whose numbers you feel like believing.

 

[The Shadow]

Spent is right to an extent.

What matters is the ester attaches. Home-brew Fina has an Acetate ester which is VERY fast acting.

Go to ED on the Fina next time and results will be 30% better.


Pull up a post by Zyglamail on the anabolic board where he charted ED and EOD of Fina versus half-life.


Deca - half life is closer to 7-9 days

Cyp is 5 days as is Enenthate.


That chart blows goats.

 

[The Shadow]

Actually - those look more like total clearance times than half-lives

 

[pushing_fe]

That chart blows goats.

Well I'll be damned!

 

[casavant]

I wouldn't do gear at 170. But that's just me.

 

[The Shadow]

True.

 

[IronMonkey69]

look at most of the cycles around (hard core not included cause you are not a 240 pounder) and you'll see the test is around 500mg and at your weight even if it's low dosed your still gonna gain nicely. Plus that much test is gonna create so major league acne...you really want that during school??


As for Fina decem, never heard of that bad a reaction and I read the www.Gotfina board alot, could have been a bad conversion kit or poor conversion or sterility or hell your body don't like tren (sensitivity to prolactin gyno). I've heard of more people with aversion to test than to tren.

1-10 test 500mg
6-12 fina 50mg ed
6-12 win 50mg ed
13-15 clomid 300/100/50

Throw in some liquidex to reduce bloating and you should pack on some pounds and shed some fat.