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Human Sacrifice

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So all the talk about religion has got me thinking. I should be very very very glad that I am living now in the 2000s and not a few hundred years, or even thousand years ago when the practice of human sacrifice was wide spread.

How terrible would it be to have all of the religious zealots condoning such a practice, while me, one of the dissenters voiced my opinion and ended up killed as well?

In reading up on human sacrifice I came across this which I found interesting. Another case where the Bible makes up its own stories to serve its own ends.

The ancient Greeks sacrificed humans to the goddess Artemis, including the famous sacrifice by Agamemnon of his favored daughter. This tale was later likely plagiarized by the Jews as the story of Abraham, who is ordered by Yahweh to sacrifice his beloved son, Isaac. In the Hebrew version, however, the whole gig is just a trick to see if Abraham would really go through with it. God has a good laugh at Abraham's expense, and everyone lives happily ever after.

Sacrifices are perhaps the most ancient method to honor deities, going right back to the earliest ancestor-worship religions of Egypt and Mesopotamia.

The original theory was "everyone needs to eat," including the ancestor-gods. So priests would dutifully leave food sitting out for the gods, who would never actually eat the food.

It was embarrassing to have all this food sitting around, so the priests eventually began burning, cutting or bleeding the sacrifices instead of just leaving them out to rot.

As time went on, the original theory of feeding the gods was forgotten and the practice became a ritual which was essentially meaningless to its participants (like the use of chrism in a Christian baptism, just for example).

The first sacrifices consisted of food and meat, but the emphasis slowly shifted to animal sacrifice and from there to blood sacrifice. Once you've moved past the notion that you're actually feeding the gods, an animal hierarchy kicks in, so a goat is a better sacrifice than a chicken, and a cow is better than a goat.

So what would be the bestest sacrifice of all? Eureka! People.
 
I don't think you would have been in too much danger Lestat.

Generally speaking it was considered necessary for people to sacrifice the best of what they had to offer. To sacrifice mediocre or second rate items or offerings was considered an insult to the Gods.

I doubt they'd intentionally seek to piss the Gods off.
 
Phenom78 said:
I don't think you would have been in too much danger Lestat.

Generally speaking it was considered necessary for people to sacrifice the best of what they had to offer. To sacrifice mediocre or second rate items or offerings was considered an insult to the Gods.

I doubt they'd intentionally seek to piss the Gods off.
very funny.

But I am sure you can see my point here.


Human Sacrifice was very common in many societies all over the world.

It was people's best guess at the time as to what they should do in order to keep the gods happy. The Aztecs sacrificed people to many gods, some simply so that the sun and stars would continue to show up everyday! The fact that they did reinforced their beliefs.

Now we don't sacrifice humans, we instead ban things like gay marriage and stem cell research because we don't want to piss off our god. Some people pray and go to church.

Granted, I'll take those options any day over human sacrifice, but the principle is the same. People just making their best attempt at honoring and pleasing some higher power, some deity that doesn't really exist, but whats the harm in honoring them anyway?

I dunno, talk to the guys that had their hearts ripped out while still beating.
 
Also as an intersting aside to Lestat's intentional flame thread.

The story of Abraham acts as a foreshadowing of God's intentions for his own sin.

It wasn't as Lestat suggested a divine joke, but a demonstration of how precious was the gift God was willing to sacrifice, and of the love required to offer it to us when he wouldn't have required such a gift from us.

In the end God provides the lamb for sacrifice, as he later did by providing us with Christ (Lamb of God) to take away the sins of the world.

A final point.

Jews never performed human sacrifices. And of course to Christians Christ was the final sacrifice.
 
Why hasn't the civil rights movementstepped in to defend the right of worshippers to sacrifice as they choose. Consider the fact that the West's most popular religion is based around what was arguably the most spectacular human sacrifice in history.
 
Phenom78 said:
Also as an intersting aside to Lestat's intentional flame thread.

The story of Abraham acts as a foreshadowing of God's intentions for his own sin.

It wasn't as Lestat suggested a divine joke, but a demonstration of how precious was the gift God was willing to sacrifice, and of the love required to offer it to us when he wouldn't have required such a gift from us.

In the end God provides the lamb for sacrifice, as he later did by providing us with Christ (Lamb of God) to take away the sins of the world.

A final point.

Jews never performed human sacrifices. And of course to Christians Christ was the final sacrifice.
jews didn't need human sacrifice when they could just create a Golem to kill off anyone they wanted.
 
Lestat said:
very funny.

But I am sure you can see my point here.


Human Sacrifice was very common in many societies all over the world.

It was people's best guess at the time as to what they should do in order to keep the gods happy. The Aztecs sacrificed people to many gods, some simply so that the sun and stars would continue to show up everyday! The fact that they did reinforced their beliefs.

Now we don't sacrifice humans, we instead ban things like gay marriage and stem cell research because we don't want to piss off our god. Some people pray and go to church.

Granted, I'll take those options any day over human sacrifice, but the principle is the same. People just making their best attempt at honoring and pleasing some higher power, some deity that doesn't really exist, but whats the harm in honoring them anyway?

I dunno, talk to the guys that had their hearts ripped out while still beating.

Of course the point you miss is that there are many forms of human sacrifice. The most brutal and prodigious of which were carried out by cultures with no discernable attachment to religion.

When the Gods don't exist, and man is nothing more than an unfortunate animal, then there is nothing to prevent another from taking whatever belongs to him, whether it be property or life.

The inference in your post is that humans are somehow better off without adherence to mythical superstition which requires sacrifice. But overwhelmingly those sacrifices were in animals and goods, precisely because humans by virtue of a Creator are no longer accidents of nature and one animal among many. The presence of a Creator suggests a purpose to mans supremacy on this planet.

Whenever that belief has been removed, we have witnessed the truly spectacular horrors of human history.
 
every practice and relgion is about preserving a way of life.. simple as that.

the stemcell research and gay marriage example is felt to compromise our current way of life so it scares us, and we as a majority (so far) try and avoid it

or at least used to

but see my point
 
I don't think males were the common object of sacrifice. Young virgin girls seemed to be the preferred sacrifice. I assume you would be safe, lestat. ;)
 
HeatherRae said:
I don't think males were the common object of sacrifice. Young virgin girls seemed to be the preferred sacrifice. I assume you would be safe, lestat. ;)

I tried to sacrifice a few young virgin girls. But, by the time for the sacrifice they didn't meet all the requirements anymore.
 
SublimeZM said:
they used to believe they could create that golem guy..the huge monster dude

ancient jewish fokelore


I know the meaning of the word.

Im just clueless as to what it has to do with the topic at hand
 
Phenom78 said:
Of course the point you miss is that there are many forms of human sacrifice. The most brutal and prodigious of which were carried out by cultures with no discernable attachment to religion.


Please provide examples.

and what were they sacrificing the people for if it was not for some deity?

To me, this seems like its one of the most brutal ways to die.

First, sit in a holding pen for a few days, or a few months, even a year or longer.

Then one day a priest takes you, and you already know what is coming next because your cell mates have suffered the fate you are about to experience.

You are laid down on a stone tablet, a bed or sorts. 4 or more men hold your arms and legs so you are on your back in a spread eagle fashion.

A robed priest comes to you, holding a knife made of stone of obsidian (not metal).

This rudamentary knife is thrust into you under the rib cage. If you are lucky you were given mushrooms or another psychadelic drink to disconnect you from the reality of what was happening.

The priest prys open your chest with his hands and reaches in and finds your rapidly beating heart.

He rips the heart out, holds up it, and your body is thrown down a considerable flight of stone stairs (not that you are feeling anything at this point).

All done to honor gods/deities.

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cut off your pee pee and donate it to goodwill
 
HeatherRae said:
I don't think males were the common object of sacrifice. Young virgin girls seemed to be the preferred sacrifice. I assume you would be safe, lestat. ;)
wrong. more men were sacrificed then anything. They would capture warriors from other tribes to use as sacrifices.

Virigin women were rare, and saved for the extra special occasions.
 
Phenom78 said:
I know the meaning of the word.

Im just clueless as to what it has to do with the topic at hand
do u happen to have any pics of it? im trying to make it my facebook picture
 
Lestat said:
wrong. more men were sacrificed then anything. They would capture warriors from other tribes to use as sacrifices.

Virigin women were rare, and saved for the extra special occasions.
hmmmm...interesting. I doubt you would have been a warrior, either. Still safe. ;)
 
HeatherRae said:
hmmmm...interesting. I doubt you would have been a warrior, either. Still safe. ;)
lestat would have been the medicine man dictating who gets sacrificed trying to manipulate everyone with hopes that theyw ouldnt discover he was full of shit and turn on him
 
SublimeZM said:
lestat would have been the medicine man dictating who gets sacrificed trying to manipulate everyone with hopes that theyw ouldnt discover he was full of shit and turn on him
I'm pretty sure I would have told those priests they were full of shit.

and then they'd dismember me.
 
Christianity is based on human sacrifice, and the only reason Jews don't still do blood sacrifices is that they don't have a temple to do it in. Once the kick the Muslims ass and rebuild the Temple they will be slaughtering and burning oxen once again. There are people who raise them for this now just so they can be ready with a genetically pure and "blemish-free" line when the time comes.
 
the jews don't sacrifice people, they cut off foreskin.
 
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