Human Cloning, thoughts

[HighIntensity]

Scientists at a technology company said Sunday they have created human embryos through cloning, drawing criticism and raising new ethical questions.

What do you all think about cloning. Will it better human society, or eventually be part of our destruction.

 

[LordoftheRings]

DO IT! p.s. i love you man lol

 

[Bigsatan13]

If it can save lives and restore paralized bodies do it! Progress should not be limited by the ethics of scared christians!

 

[jeep310]

Bad idea! We cannot play God. just my .02 worth

 

[doc_pup]

It has its good points and bad points, the idea of cloning various parts of the human anatomy, organs, skin, spinal tissue, etc. is a brilliant idea, but cloning an entire human is going to bring trouble, it is the first step to creating a genetically perfect race.

 

[spentagn]

If it can save lives and restore paralized bodies do it! Progress should not be limited by the ethics of scared christians!

Ever consider other religions might be opposed to it as well

 

[saint808]

i think it's over the top... but i wonder if these clones will have souls.

 

[Kahn]

Not a chance in hell should we clone whole humans. They would still be humans and some fuck would get way out of hand with it. Clone organs for medical use is one thing. They'd need women to carry the clones and it would open new lawsuits up if they got attached. Way too much to allow. Just clone the organs for the benefit on mankind. Controlled and regulated with SERIOUS penalties for fucking up. All religion aside, it would be a person we are growing. Thinking, feeling, needing, wanting, having to have a family, mother, care, teacher. Too much to play with. .02

 

[the nature boy]

Some good thoughts on this thread. Here are some other thoughts to consider.

Do we clone humans for organs?

Do clones have the same rights as humans?


We must also examine why we'd even want to clone humans. How would we benefit from human cloning.

 

[saint808]

cloning a whole human just to harvest it's body parts is kinda sick actually... very sci-fi, but very real now.

 

[Lao Tzu]

technically they just cloned stem cells. which can help cure a wide range of diseases. i'm all for that.

and, to be fair, what passes for ethics in this matter is largely just addiction to cultural norms. but maybe that is what ethics is. its no different than when your grandpa gets scared of the internet. they can't handle the change. that's not ethics, that's something else (if you ask me) like being used to a certain lifestyle and not wanting to enter a strange new world.

 

[Y_lifter]

IMO, it all comes down to when you believe/think/feel a human life becomes a human life.
Conception or at Birth.
This determine's one's thoughts on this subject for the most part.

Conception= Killing a human life by using fertilized embyos for research.
Birth= Great idea to help solve many medical problems in the future.

 

[saint808]

what are we gonna do when people live to 180 years old and we cure too much disease and the civilization crumbles because we are out of space for everyone to live?

 

[the nature boy]

what are we gonna do when people live to 180 years old and we cure too much disease and the civilization crumbles because we are out of space for everyone to live?

AH HA!!! This is what I'm talking about. I imagine sometime in the future where we'll have limits on how long we can live (75 years for example).

 

[Y_lifter]

I guarantee we(world) will come to a point where strict limits are placed on how many children couples can have.
Either by Choice due to financial benefit by having only 1-2 per couple, or by Govt. policy such as in China today.

 

[manny78]

As long as it is not used to produce multiple Ben Laden then I'm Ok with cloning....

 

[Lao Tzu]

what are we gonna do when people live to 180 years old and we cure too much disease and the civilization crumbles because we are out of space for everyone to live?

i'm sure we'll think of something.

based on current social paradigms & technologies, if that happens we'll just become more urbanized. i think japan manages 1/2 our population while only using 1/25 as much land.

but 300 years from now the population could be 200 billion.

 

[Kahn]

No no no no and no. Hell no to cloning whole humans. It would cause all kinds of probs from over population to rights and upbringing and crap we can't imagine. Clone what we can so there is no life issue. Organs, food, skin tissue for burn victims, that kind of shit. Cloning has peeps thinking we are making whole adult people. They better be real firm on this, we have the ability to do crazy shit now. Hell, I plan on gaining 40 lbs in the next 2 months.hehehe

 

[danielson]

what they did was very good

they took cloned stem cells, so now you dont have to take embryo's and use the cells of the embryo, destryin it. now you cn use your own. this will help alleviate the suffering if thousands, hundreds of thousands

this ISNT cloning human beings. thats just a media ploy so you cabn but the paper, then on page 45 or something it entionsn it just a 4 or 6 cell blast they formed (2-3 divisions, 6 cells in a ball)

capable of life, but if we let it it would probably be fucked up anyway so this is amazing

also if this were a 'normal' baby it would be perfectly legal to terminate it, infact we can terminate right up until the 100 cell stage (still a blastocyte or big ball of cells)- after this it become a embryo


so abortonists CANT be agianst this in theory. and if the relgious people get in the way of this one ill be annoyed

 

[Wombat]

Don't believe everything you hear in the news. Cloning on humans has already been done. We are going to do anything that is humanly possible just because we can. During Desert Storm the stealth fighter was shown to the world and everybody was saying wow"look at that thing" but it was made 15years earlier. Our government does not have to tell us what they are doing and they won't. But if they can clone, they will clone. Everything revolves around our economy. We have cures for things that will never be seen because of the money generated by so called remedies. If we are not the first ones to clone a person then some other country will be. But I think we have already done so. peace.

 

[Annihilator99]

i think it's over the top... but i wonder if these clones will have souls.

Said exactly what I was going to. Strange thing - I know the Christian Church has decided that clones do have souls.

Eventually, this could end up a debate that dwarfs the abortion one.

 

[the nature boy]

Why would they not have souls? They're spawned from people, with brains and organs and feelings and thoughts. The only difference is how they were created.

Personally I don't believe in a "soul", but then again I'm not a religiuos person.

 

[Bodhidogma]

i think it's over the top... but i wonder if these clones will have souls.

my thoughts exactly.
humans did just fine without medical science for many, many years. granted, finding a cure for cancer, etc. is certainly a good thing. but it seems to me the cons outway the pros in this case.

 

[JohnnyO]

If I remember from biology class .. isn't calling it an "embryo" a little pre-mature?? They split a zygote, but I guess it's not as catchy in the headlines.

 

[Bigsatan13]

I think alot of the bleeding hearts would change their tune if the cloning meant they were able to walk again or save a loved ones life. I don't think that this is a form of life extension, but a form of life preservation. As far as being worried about creating a master\genetically perfect race, are you inferior?

 

[karde]

I want to clone legions of my own loyal super soldiers.

 

[KA-BAR]

Bad idea! Technology is out of control. The end is near! there is a good book about this called spirituality and technology.

 

[Annihilator99]

Why would they not have souls? They're spawned from people, with brains and organs and feelings and thoughts. The only difference is how they were created.

Personally I don't believe in a "soul", but then again I'm not a religiuos person.

It's the idea that God creates the soul - is man capable of that? There is where the argument lies.

 

[furious]

I think people get stem cell research and full blown cloning confused. I am all for stem cell research. After a human egg has been fertilized with sperm, it goes through a period of four days of 'plurapability'. This means the cells can then be manipulated into any kind of tissue that the body has: muscle, bone, organs, etc. After the four day period, the cells began to form into the tissues of the respective body parts. It is not until a period later then this that an embryo is formed.
Anyone read the 'Robots and Empire' series from Issac Asimov? There were a type of people in the books called Spacers, bred humans with average life spans of 400 years. This helped the Spacers explore space without dying of old age just traveling to a specific destination. Future use for cloning humans, mayhap?
Think of this: there is always an underground. IF a government is going to balk over an action, some underground movement sure as hell will not. Think of the biological warfare possibilities of developing a super soldier, like Captain America. Hhmmmm

 

[the nature boy]

It's the idea that God creates the soul - is man capable of that? There is where the argument lies.

At what point does God come into the picture. Does a test tube baby have a soul? It's not like a clone is created in some sort of tank full of goo like they portray in the movies. They take DNA from living people, and place it in a womb.

P.S. If you cloned me and I stood next to my clone, could you tell who had a soul or not?

 

[Immortal Juicer]

if it is possible....

then someone is going to do it. it might as well be us. i'm not saying we need to start cloning people for the hell of it, but we need to keep moving science foreward.

the only laws in the world are the laws of science. to stay on top you have to be willing to do what the other guy wont. if we dont do it, someone else will.

 

[danielson]

can 6 cells have a soul?

it basicall an abortion question with the recent developments

except your using your own cells (the dude used nucleus's from his skin or something, which is worrying)

do you think all cells have a soul

in which case everytime you use aftershave, or hit your head you destroy a few hundred 'souls'

does a nucleus in a egg cell with its egg-nucleus removed constitue a soul? it has the capacity for life, but dioes that constitue a soul. by that rational every cell in your body has a capacity for life if cloned nicely.

a soul = sentience? when does something gain sentience? when it gets a brain? we munch animals, and we dont consider them sentient.

the thing only develops a spinal cord after the 100 cell blast stage. is it self-aware? or is it just a bunch of cells?


CLONING HUMANS is a fair bit off......not hundreds of yers or anything but not for a while.....and if they did clone a human they would have allowed many malformed babies to be born (think alien 4 and the 'failed' ripleys....that kinda scale maybe)

 

[the nature boy]

CLONING HUMANS is a fair bit off......not hundreds of yers or anything but not for a while.....and if they did clone a human they would have allowed many malformed babies to be born (think alien 4 and the 'failed' ripleys....that kinda scale maybe)

he has a good point. I imagine early on in the cloning process there are going to be mistakes. Cloned babies that come to term but that are deformed or retarded. What do we do with those "failed" clones?

 

[Stryc-9]

...they could work for musclemag....

 

[the nature boy]

...they could work for musclemag....

maybe they do! oh shit, cloning has been going on for a while then. delete this irrelevant thread.

 

[casavant]

We already play God. Why stop now?