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Guys, I wanted to get your opinion on using Dbol at 10mgs in the AM to bridge post cycle? Is it effective in maintaining size and strength? Would you recommend it?
Huck and Big Andy69-Dbol Bridge???
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Yes,it will keep you in positive nitrogen balance and won't disrupt receptor/androgen receptivity to any great degree for your next cycle.It is however up in the air as to whether your endogenous T levels will be able to fully restore themselves in this environment though.Some people will be able to,others won't.If this is a concern,regular bloodwork would be wise.
SuKY_GeNeTiCs
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oooooooo I am so tempted to get some reforvit-b now.
Texas Ranger
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Guys, so when would you start the Dbol bridge with this cycle?
WK 1-5 Dbol
WK 1-8 Test Enanthate
WK 9-10 Test Prop
WK 11-13 Clomid Therapy
WK 1-14 Arimidex
WK 1-5 Dbol
WK 1-8 Test Enanthate
WK 9-10 Test Prop
WK 11-13 Clomid Therapy
WK 1-14 Arimidex
Texas Ranger
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Up for Huck and Big Andy69!!
Texas Ranger
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Up again!!!
feelin_kinda_saucey
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could postive gains be made using the "D-BOL BRIDGE" theory for someone who is taking a couple years off from cycling but would like to push through a few small platues and maybee gain some size as well? and still keep from interupting your natural test production ?
What if it wasn't used as a bridge? lets say you haven't cycled for a long time and test levels were back to normal. Could you take 10 mg in the am or right before bed to help muscle recoverey and protein synthesis? I wouldn't think it would lower test production much, if at all?
hardrock said:
Well, first we have to define what a "bridge" is and what it the purpose is.
Bridging is using a very small amount of steroids that have very minimal impact on the HPTA. It's to ease out of a long cycle...and not experience a crash. It also helps you hold on to your gains.
Bridging is not meant to make you grow, it's just a way to assure that you'll keep as many gains as possible while recovering from a cycle.
So can you grow from 10mg of Dbol taken in the morning? I know I probably could but it's really an individual question. Can you grow off 400mg of test a week? I know a guy who put on 29 lbs and I know someone who didn't gain shit off 600mg. (same product)
I think it's been pretty much been proved that Dbol is MUCH more effective when taken through out the day.
Okay kind of a combination of what these guys are saying I agree/disagree with. The Dbol bridge will work, but it's not really like a bridge, I'd say it's more like a crutch. It will help keep up your gains, but will not allow test levels to return to normal, the same has been found by running primobolan at 200 mgs per week (in a journal study). Anavar is the only roid that truly doesn't affect the HPTA and is the only one I would use to run a solid bridge between cycles. So you can run the dbol "bridge", but you probably will lose in the long run...
wartime100
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Should the bridge be taken after clomid is done or during? I ask because I don't know how 10mg of d bol will effect how the clomid works.
feelin_kinda_saucey
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hardrock said:
anybody have insight on this ???
Punschkrapfen
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I don't know where that myth comes from, but Anavar (Oxandrolone) inhibts the HPTA even at 2.5mg ed and will shut you down completly at higher doses, both in the rat (see study 1 below) and in humans (see study 2):deify said:
Acta Endocrinol (Copenh) 1992 Feb;126(2):173-8
The effects of an anabolic steroid (oxandrolone) on reproductive development in the male rat.
Grokett BH, Ahmad N, Warren DW.
Department of Exercise Science, University of Southern California, Los Angeles 90033.
Oxandrolone is a 5 alpha-reduced anabolic steroid that is administered for the treatment of short stature disease in children. It is a commonly used substance beginning as early as prepuberty by some individuals who are seeking to enhance athletic performance or personal appearance. Because of the lack of data on the effects of anabolic steroids on the reproductive system, we have examined the effects of oxandrolone treatment on reproductive development in male rats with treatment beginning two days after weaning. Male, Sprague-Dawley rats (N = 12) received a daily subcutaneous injection of oxandrolone (32.7 mumol.kg-1.day-1) and the control group (N = 12) received vehicle only (dimethyl sulfoxide). Treatment began at age 23 days and continued to 60 days of age. The weights of the testes, prostate glands, and seminal vesicles in the treatment group were 69%, 50% and 29% below control levels, respectively and were all significantly decreased (p less than 0.01). Testicular testosterone production in a 3-h incubation was inhibited in the treated animals to 1.3% of control values (p less than 0.001). Serum FSH (11.7% of control) and LH (undetectable) in the treated animals were both significantly less than controls. Histological findings indicated an arrest of advanced spermatids and a severe depletion of Leydig cells in the interstitial compartment. It was concluded that treatment of immature male rats with oxandrolone results in effects on the adult male reproductive system which are profound and occur at several levels. The most likely affected sites are the hypothalamus, pituitary gland, and the Leydig cells.
Clin Endocrinol (Oxf) 1993 Apr;38(4):393-8 Related Articles, Links
The effects of oxandrolone on the growth hormone and gonadal axes in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty.
Malhotra A, Poon E, Tse WY, Pringle PJ, Hindmarsh PC, Brook CG.
Endocrine Unit, Middlesex Hospital, London, UK.
OBJECTIVE: We studied the effects of oxandrolone on serum concentrations of LH, FSH, testosterone, GH, SHBG, DHEAS, IGF-I and insulin in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty. DESIGN: Ten boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty, mean age 13.8 years (range 12.4-15.5) were studied. Twenty-four-hour serum concentration profiles of GH, LH and FSH were constructed by drawing blood samples at 20-minute intervals. Three study occasions over a period of 6 months were chosen to assess hormone concentrations before, during and 6 weeks after a 3-month course of oxandrolone (2.5 mg once daily) therapy. RESULTS: Growth velocity increased during oxandrolone treatment and stayed higher after therapy (pre 3.9 +/- 0.5; on 6.3 +/- 0.8; post 6.4 +/- 0.9 cm/year (mean +/- SEM) two way ANOVA, F = 5.3, P = 0.02). Oxandrolone had androgenic effects, suppressing mean serum LH concentrations from 1.7 +/- 0.3 to 1.1 +/- 0.2 U/I and serum testosterone concentrations from 1.9 +/- 0.6 to 0.8[/u] +/- 0.1 nmol/l. SHBG concentrations were also reduced from 130.9 +/- 14.6 to 30.7 +/- 7.3 nmol/l. Serum GH concentration fell slightly from 5.9 +/- 0.6 to 4.8 +/- 0.5 mU/l. After cessation of treatment, there was a significant 'rebound' in mean 24-hour serum LH (2.6 U/l +/- 0.4) and testosterone concentrations (3.2 +/- 0.9 nmol/l) but no change in serum GH concentrations. SHBG values also rose but not to the same extent as those observed before therapy (82.0 +/- 8.4 nmol/l). There were no statistically significant differences in serum concentrations of FSH, DHEAS, IGF-I and insulin over the study period. In a stepwise multiple regression analysis of factors that might influence the growth rate observed, the 24-hour mean serum testosterone concentration and the treatment (on or off) with oxandrolone were the main influences. The relationship was described by the equation Height velocity = 0.69 (24-hour mean serum testosterone concentration)+1.70 (treatment regimen)+3.37 (adjusted R2 = 0.35, F = 8.39, P = 0.001). CONCLUSIONS: Oxandrolone has an androgenic action as shown by changes in serum LH, testosterone and SHBG concentrations and by the lack of effect on FSH. No effect of oxandrolone on the GH axis was documented. We suggest that the growth promoting effects of oxandrolone are related in part to the mild androgenic effects of the steroid and the growth acceleration following oxandrolone withdrawal may reflect increasing total serum testosterone concentrations and decreasing levels of SHBG and progress in puberty.
so it will not let ur natural test levels recover so am i right by saying the d bol bridge should be started after hcg and clomid therapy cause i am starting hcg after my last test injection and clomid two weeks after my last test injection. also would running liquidex interfere with the dbol bridge on maintaining gains thanks bros
I personally think the dbol bridge is a waste of time. If you use it when you start clomid, you will not get your HPTA back to normal. If you wait till after, then you have already done most of your crashing and dont need a bridge anyway. If you are going to bridge, spend the few extra $ and get some var, it will allow you to regain much more of your HPTA and keep your size
garethdlewis
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I finished an 8 week dbol ramp-off a couple of months ago; ran nolvadex the whole way through. I think it's helped me maintain my gains, however, I wasn't fully recovered at the end of the 8 weeks. My actual cycle included tren for 10 weeks though, so you might say I would have been shut-down pretty hard... but I'd say I'm fully recovered now. Question, how long after the ramp-off 'till you can jump on another cycle?
buckwheat1
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deify said:
There was a study that has been posted several times showing that 15mg/day anavar caused some suppression of the HPTA by day 2 or 3. Anavar may be less suppressive then somethng else but it will still affect natural T production if taken.
Singleton
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"The effects of oxandrolone on the growth hormone and gonadal axes in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty.
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The study on humans was 3 months long. A bridge doesn't last that long, does it?
Var actually reduced prostate weight. Not bad.
BigAndy69, have you checked your mail anytime in the last few weeks?
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The study on humans was 3 months long. A bridge doesn't last that long, does it?
Var actually reduced prostate weight. Not bad.
BigAndy69, have you checked your mail anytime in the last few weeks?
