Huck and All - 5th cycle - 1st time gyno?

[getgo]

Here's my current (5th) cycle.. I'm on Day 18:

Wk 1-10 - Test Enanthate 500mg/wk (Wk1 Frontloaded 800mg)
Wk 1-11 - EQ 400mg/wk (Wk 1 Frontloaded 600mg)
Day 2 - 4 Fina 75mg ED - stopped due to too much bloat.
Wk 1-4 Winny 50mg/day (Tabs)
Wk 1-14 GH 2IU/day 6days on 1 off
.5mg/day Liquidex changed to 1mg/day on day 6
25mg/day Proviron started day 10 changed to 50mg on day 14

I noticed much more water rention this time around. About a week ago, I felt my nipples were slightly sensitive. They are still tender to touch and I think theres a slight hardening of tissue under my left nipple. Assuming this to be the onset of gyno, I have started Novadex @ 40mg/day from today. I have never had gyno in previous cycles so I'm wondering what caused it this time around.

1. Should I drop/reduce any AS from my cycle?
2. Will the Novadex/Proviron/Liquidex be adequate to stop gyno?
3. How long should I take Nolvadex for and at what dose?
4. Any other advice?

Thanks all

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Yes,gyno can start at any point.Some people won't get any symptoms on their first run,second,etc..Then all of the sudden they slightly alter the combo of drugs and it creates the right environment(IGF-I,estrogen,prolactin)for inflammation.You're on the right track,start the nolvadex at 40mgs till symptoms subside,then keep it at 20mgs for the remainder of your cycle up til clomid therapy.Keep the current l-dex dosage and proviron dosage where they are,and perhaps back off slightly on the test dosage.

 

[getgo]

I assume the gyno is Test - or could it be from Winny or EQ? Well, assuming it's from Test, should I drop Test altogether and keep it an EQ cycle only (with 2 more weeks or Winny)?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

The orals can also stimulate IGF production,which can in turn initiate fibrous growth in mammary tissue.This is largely individualized though.Either way,the nolvadex should be helpful as it is quite a powerful site-specific binder/deactivator in mammary tissue.

 

[getgo]

In that case, should I stop Winny for a few days?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Yes,if the problem is ongoing,then drop the winny for a while to see what happens.I'm almost wondering if your winny is in fact winny(possibly counterfeit?).The symptoms(gyno from hell,extreme bloat)you're describing sound alarmingly like dianabol to me.

 

[getgo]

Thanks Huck. I'll drop Winny for now and see what happens. My winny is called "Stanol" manufactured by March Pharmaceuticals Co. Ltd (Thailand). It's Stanazolol 5mg and come in small greenish disc shaped tabs. Ever heard of it?

Huck I'm also thinking of dropping the Test altogether and running only EQ. SHould I do that?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

At this point it might be wise,but you could always see if the nolvadex helps within a couple of days.Personally,I'd probably just run the eq(but I'm a worry wart,lol).

 

[getgo]

Right, EQ it is. Thanks again Huck. I konw I can always depend on your prompt advice.

 

[robsatx]

ARRRGH!

I am frustrated and confused on what to do. I have puffy "nips" not the outside area. I am wondering if I should start Nolvadex. I ordered some ldex today. The only thing I really notice is my nips or "tits". They have a perpetual hard on. I am wondering if I should just wait until my cycle is done in about 4 more weeks or start the Nolva? I wanted to add Ldex and do dbol my last three weeks on. This weekend, I am going to start my HCG therapy. I have qty 20 20MG nolvadex and will have ldex shortly.

Do I just wait or should I start the nolva?
Do I hold off on the dbol?
Is it just in my head and I have a little fat from the heavy food intake?

Help!

 

[getgo]

Huck - I plan to run EQ till Wk 9 and depending on how my gyno situation turns out may add a low dose of TE 200mg/wk. I need to wait 18 days after my last EQ shot to start Clomid and since this turns out to be a relatively light cycle, I was thinking of adding something between EQ and Clomid but not sure what - Anavar, Primo, Winstrol or something else?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

I would choose var or primo.They don't seem to elevate IGF levels(which can instigate/proliferate mammary tissue)quite as dramatically as some of the other A/S.

 

[getgo]

Huck - I have access to both Anavar and Primo. At what dose should I take them? Also for Var, do I stop taking it a day before Clomid starts? Anf for Primo, when should I stop before Clomid?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Var-30mgs/day,primo-400mgs/week.Start the clomid a day or two after last ingested tab,or a week past last primo injection.

 

[getgo]

Thanks a lot, Huck.

 

[getgo]

It's my 5th day on Nolvadex 40mg/day and I've stopped all AS for now. My nipples are still tender and I haven't noticed any change since starting Nolva. Normally, about how long does it take for the symptoms of gyno to subside?

 

[mvmaxx]

You should notice the effects of Nolvadex in about about a week. Did you have pain before? Do you still have pain now? I'd expect it to get better in the next few days.

 

[getgo]

mvmaxx - no pain, just tenderness. It started about 5 - 6 days before I started Nolvadex. And yes - my nipples are still tender.

 

[mvmaxx]

Continue with the 40mg/ED until the tenderness subsides. Then go down to 20mg/ED.