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HST: Hypertrophy-Specific Training, ie, training designed solely for maximum muscle growth (as opposed to strength).

Resources:
HST Home page
Official HST Boards
HST FAQ
HST summary and setup, a 3rd person perspective


And because the best growth routine ever is worthless without the proper diet, eating for size, the basics.

Feel free to post up any questions, opinions, results, etc. Keep in mind many of your basic questions have probably been answered and are contained somewhere within the FAQ. Also, if, like me, you're a big physiology and exercise science buff, you'll dig some of the more technical posts in the FAQ.
 
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Routine explained, justified

With any routine, understanding the logic and physiology behind why it works is necessary for optimizing your results. By understanding the HST principles and how they apply to you, you can maximize your results. This will be a basic explanation of those principles, and if you disagree with HST, give you something to ponder :D

Note: I originally wrote this awhile ago.
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There have been a lot of questions and potential confusion surrounding HST (hypertrophy-specific training) recently. What I'm going to attempt to do is give a very non-technical explanation of the program itself as well as the physiology behind it. The purpose is to clearly present the program as an effective means of achieving hypertrophy.

Bryan Haycock, the guy behind HST, has already done this before: http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hst_index.html. The website is somewhat technical, and I remember feeling just as confused after reading it. What I'm going to try to do is fill in the gaps try to clarify, practically, why the program works.

Most training programs were conceived based on practical experience and modified based on medical knowledge. What makes HST special is that it is the opposite: it was formulated based on the way muscle grows in the lab, and then modified based on practical experience.

What is hypertrophy?
hypertrophy - n - A nontumorous enlargement of an organ or a tissue as a result of an increase in the size rather than the number of constituent cells.

In other words, muscle hypertrophy is the enlarging of the muscle fibers as opposed to an increase in the number of muscle fibers (hyperplasia).

The principles behind HST:
1) Mechanical Load:
Tension upon muscle cells is necessary to induce hypertrophy. When cells experience tension, the delicate sarcomeres are disrupted. Given adequate nutrients, the muscle is then repaired to a greater size than it originally possessed.
Side note: It is commonly misunderstood that muscle failure is the stimulus for muscle growth. Intuitively, it makes sense. How can someone not sustain growth if they are working to the very limits of their capacity? Unfortunately, this is not true! The tension on the muscle is what actually causes growth.(1)

2) Frequency Potentially the most controversial, so I'll be spending a lot of time on it.

The various growth factors initiated by training all peak at around 24 hours post-workout, and than fall back to baseline by 48 hours. (2, 3, 4, and especially 6, 7) Typically, programs will sacrifice training frequency for the ability to add volume. This is counterproductive if your goal is to have bigger muscles. Given the average split of once/week, this means one will spend two days growing and five days maintaining muscle size without adding to it. This has been confirmed in the lab. One study compared the effects of a volume of weight training performed all on one day of the week to the same volume spread across three days of the week. The thrice-per-week group saw greater muscle gains as well as strength gains over 40% greater than the once-per-week group.(5)
This can also seem counterintuitive, as muscle soreness and strength often do not recover after a mere two days. In actuality, neither of those factors (soreness or voluntary strength) is related to muscle growth.

The ability to recover one's strength is directly related to muscle failure. Training to failure directly inhibits voluntary strength. Basically, training to failure fries your nerves (not the technical term) and prevents them from being able to contract the muscles for long periods of time. So when one trains to failure and then waits until strength is recovered to train a muscle again, oftentimes the muscle has long recovered and is waiting for the nervous system to catch up.
This means that sometimes, with HST, you will be training through soreness. This is totally okay! Soreness is not harmful, and people generally find that training a sore muscle will cause the soreness to stop.

3) Progressive Load
Anywhere one goes, one hears "Changing one's routine is a way to prevent stagnation. If you're not growing, change things."

We're all in the business of growing muscle. Unfortunately, the body doesn't like to do that. It's rather expensive for the body to repair and produce new muscle tissue. It requires both lots of protein and lots of energy (sort of like the "parts" and the "labor). So, when an exercise is performed that damages the muscle tissue, in addition to the growth response the muscle also becomes resistant to further damage from that load. This is called the Repeated Bout Effect. (4) This is why routines stall and people plateau. It is also why HST incorporates progressive load.

Side note: strength programs and growth
As anyone who's done WSB will tell you, strength programs can induce a good deal of hypertrophy. As a result, many bodybuilders adopt strength-training programs as a means of causing growth. By isolating and understanding WHY they cause growth, you can just skip straight to the growth-causing elements without wasting time with all of the neural tricks that strength training uses to increase your 1RM.
Strength programs typically have people work with near-maximal weights. This is known to increase the nervous system's efficiency at performing a movement, thus increasing strength. So, when someone starts a strength training program, initially he/she sees a lot of growth. His/her muscles are not that resistant to damage, and at high tension levels (such as the maximal weights of a strength routine) the Repeated Bout Effect takes a little while to kick in. As long as he/she also continues making strength gains, he/she will experience progressive load, and will see muscle growth as long as he/she is overeating. Unfortunately, after a time the strength gains will slow to a crawl, and at that point the muscles are very resistant to damage and will simply not grow.

At this point, conventional wisdom would have our trainee change up his/her routine. This advice is somewhat sound, as new exercises can put new levels of tension on muscle fibers and thus elicit more growth. Also, a rep change can stimulate new growth as well, but ONLY if the new rep range is lower and allows more weight to be used, thus loading the tissue at new levels.

Instead of changing the routine, HST advocates...

4) Strategic Deconditioning
Before each cycle, in order to make the muscles responsive to the light weights in the beginning, a period of 9-14 days is taken off from all training. This reverses some of the effects of the RBE. It allows HST-users to experience rapid and sustainable progress.

This is one of the reasons why newbies experience such great initial gains. They have had such long deconditioning periods. Trained individuals also notice this; when coming off of a planned or unplanned layoff they often experience a renewal of gains.
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2) Nosaka K, Clarkson P.M. Muscle damage following repeated bouts of high force eccentric exercise. Med. Sci. Sports Exrc., 27(9):1263-1269,1995
3) Smith LL., Fuylmer MG., Holbert D., McCammon MR., Houmard JA., Frazer DD., Nsien E., Isreal RG. The impact of repeated bout of eccentric exercise on muscular strength, muscle soreness and creatine kinase. Br J Sp Med 28(4):267-271, 1994
4) T.C. Chen, Taipei Physical Education College, and S.S. Hsieh, FACSM,. The effects of a seven-day repeated eccentric training on recovery from muscle damage. Med. Sci. Sports Exrc. 31(5 Supp) pp. S71, 1999
5) McLester JR., Bishop P., & Guilliams M. Comparison of 1 and 3 day per week of equal volume resistance training in experienced subjects. Med. Sci. Sports Exrc. 31(5 Supp) pp.S117 1999
6)MacDougall JD, Gibala MJ, Tarnopolsky MA, MacDonald JR, Interisano SA, Yarasheski KE. The time course for elevated muscle protein synthesis following heavy resistance exercise.
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7)Phillips, S. M., K. D. Tipton, A. Aarsland, S. E. Wolf, and R. R. Wolfe. Mixed muscle protein synthesis and breakdown after resistance exercise in humans. Am. J. Physiol. 273 (Endocrinol. Metab. 36): E99-E107, 1997
 
this is about my question from the other hst thread...

"Lavi: if you're going to take a week to find maxes, you need to take an SD in between that and starting the routine."

I'm doing that now and start again on monday heh... What you recommend? start HST next time?
 
Yeah... you should let 9 days elapse after finding your maxes and before you start the program.

So week 1, monday-wednesday-friday: finding maxes.
Week 2: off
Week 3: start program on monday

etc
 
Need to check with u casualbb on the issue of gear and hst.How will these two compliment 1 another?So far i am on the 2nd week of 10s.I am planning to start my 10 week cycle but couldn't find any thread in this place stating this.Just like to hear your opinon and advice.thanks
 
you either do the routine everday or twice (am and pm) on the chosen days when juicing. casual,correct if i'm wrong bro
 
AAS is one of the things I'm not so informed about... I'd check out the FAQ I linked to. On the second page, there should be a long thread about how to implement HST while on.
 
This is my current routine:
Squats x 3
SLDL x 2
Calf Raise x 2
BB Rows x 2
Chest Dips x2
Pullups x 2
Slight Incline DB Press x2
DB OHP x 2
DB Bicep curl x 1

Stretching and core work beforehand.
Thoughts on my current routine: It's a lot of volume, but it's only an issue with respect to lower back. I certainly feel like I'm approaching overtraining, but the upside is that I've added so much back size and thickness that I'm gonna ride this out. I'm in the 5's anyway, so it isn't going on THAT much longer.
 
casualbb said:
This is my current routine:
Squats x 3
SLDL x 2
Calf Raise x 2
BB Rows x 2
Chest Dips x2
Pullups x 2
Slight Incline DB Press x2
DB OHP x 2
DB Bicep curl x 1

Stretching and core work beforehand.
Thoughts on my current routine: It's a lot of volume, but it's only an issue with respect to lower back. I certainly feel like I'm approaching overtraining, but the upside is that I've added so much back size and thickness that I'm gonna ride this out. I'm in the 5's anyway, so it isn't going on THAT much longer.

Damn, I am doing way more then that, and I am still making great results, although you are right about lower back volume. I am dead after SLDL's.
 
does anyone know if it's ok to increase some excersises by 5 and others by 10? like with dumbells, you can only increase/decrease by 10 - but then on some machines you can do it by 5...
 
It is definitely ok to increase by different amounts - it depends on what the actual weight is. It doesn't make sense to increase sqauts by 5 or even 10 if you're doing like 500 pounds - the jumps should be much bigger at much heavier weights.

Also, my gym has dbs that together go up by 5 (e.g. 40, 42.5, 45, 47.5 etc).
 
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HST

So, if Im doing HST, Im still very unclear (after reading the weblink...all be it a rushed read..ahem). Do I begin 50% less than my 10 rep max? Do I begin on 5 reps per set week 1, then up to 10 reps second week, 15 third. What happens after that?

How do I know how much weight to add each week?
 
The rep progression in the basic setup is:

Weeks 1/2: 15
Weeks 3/4: 10
Weeks 5/6: 5
Weeks 7/8: 5/neg's

After you find your max for each rep range, pick an increment (5,10, whatever) and work backwards to the first workout for that range. If your 10-rep max bench is 200lbs and your increment is 10lbs, your first workout would be 150lbs.

As others have said, the increment depends on your maxes. The more weight you're using, the bigger the increments should be.
 
ok

So if I was using the weights you used as examples, I would be benching 150lbs on week one. Then for week 2, would that be 160lbs? Then for week 3 I go to my 10 rep max weight, and week 4 add another 10lbs?? Is that correct?

Karma to you goofball.
 
no he means for the 10 rep weeks you would do:
Day1: 10 reps of 150
Day 2: 10 reps of 160
Day 3: 10 reps of 170
Day 4: 180
Day 5: 190
Day 6: 200
 
Tom Treutlein wrote on Today 05:17 AM:
I have a few questions about HST for you, considering you seem to be the most informed about it.

Firstly, if I do 2 weeks of 5's, and have no partner to do negatives, I should do an extra 2 weeks of 5's, then start over, correct?

That's right.

Did you use negatives or 4 weeks of 5's?
It's unfortunate, I've never been able to really do negatives. What I do instead is try and make strength gains in the 5RM. If I gained any LBM in a cycle, I can usually increment my 5RM a few times. So I'll just continue as normal, adding weight past the 5RM until I can't anymore. When I reach the new number, I'll finish out the remainder of the 2 weeks at that weight.

After the 8 week cycle, how long do you take off? You always take off after a cycle, right? I'm guessing 7 days.
The website says 9-12. I usually do 2 weeks just to be safe. Sometimes, though, practical considerations interfere with starting a new cycle, in which case I'll simply extend the deconditioning. For instance, recently I had final exams followed by an almost immediate vacation. My SD right now is three weeks and counting.

How many HST cycles have you done?
I've only really done 3 complete cycles, although I attempted 6. Those three that I aborted, it was due to lack of discipline. I'll elaborate in the next answer.

Did you make those 8-9 lb. gains at the end of every cycle? That's very impressive.
I'm a natural ectomorph, a recovering skinny. While I can keep a six-pack after bulking, it means that I have to work really really hard to gain weight. At 170 pounds, I need to eat at least 3750 calories/day to gain any reasonable amount of muscle. For a college student with only limited means of purchasing and preparing food, that takes a whole lot of commitment. Those three cycles when I was able to consume and log that much food, I did make drastic gains. But if I half-ass the eating at least one bit, as I did in the other three cycles, then I gain nothing except a temporary muscle inflation and a bit of fat.

Would doing cardio while on this routine help to minimize fat gain? I was thinking of hiking multiple days a week, depending on my mood.
I don't think so. When you bulk you commit to fat gain. Hiking won't selectively use calories that would've gone only to fat and not muscle building; both will be consumed indiscriminately. If you want to hike you should consider its cost in calories and eat more to compensate.

What was your diet like when you used the routine to "bulk"? I figure my bodyweight multiplied by 18-20 and consuming 200+ grams of protein (I weigh 177) a day will be good. Does that sound okay?
Sounds great to me. This routine is as much about learning as it is about gaining; you will determine how you respond to this particular mixture of diet and exercise and, based on the results, fine-tune it in the future.

Personally my diet isn't all that complicated. I shoot for at least 3750 calories and 200 grams of protein per day. Then I follow general guidelines such as:
-try to eat vegetables (although I can barely spare the stomach space for them
-try to avoid junk food, even though they'd supply so many calories
-try to avoid high GI carbs. I have a hypoglycaemia (sp?) problem, in that when I eat too much sugar I have an insulin response that crashes my blood sugar and I get remarkably tired and sluggish.
-try to make each meal a balanced one in terms of macronutrient ratios. Always eat the protein.
-lastly, steak sauce is your friend My cafeteria often serves up very bland and dry meat. I'd never be able to eat as much as I need to without a liberal soaking of steak sauce.

How many sets per bodypart should be done? I don't want to do too much and burn myself out. My main concerns lie in my arms and chest. Should I add more sets for these, then?
I'd say try 2-3 sets for big bodyparts and 1-2 for little ones. I used to do only 1-2 per bodypart and that was kinda too little. See above for my routine.
 
I'm thinking of doing a cycle or two of HST when I get back to school. I'm not going to commit to that just yet but I'm definitely considering it. I can think of two main reasons to do it: number one, it would get me to my desired amount of LBM faster than the strength/explosiveness training I've been doing, and second, it would be great for my joints and future injury prevention. Unfortunately I'm already running into minor shoulder and elbow pain despite the low weights I use for upper body exercises. HST would let me totally pre-hab and strengthen my tendons and rotators and stuff before I dive back in to heavier weights.

I'm still reading up on this but I have a few questions casual if you don't mind:

first, I'm thinking of alternating back squats and SLDLs with front squat and snatch grip deads. on squats I'll have no problem finding my maxes but with deads, there's a big gray area where form is getting shaky but you can still get the weight up. am I gonna lose anything by staying somewhat light so that form is always really perfect?


also since ultimately my goals are athletic, I'm not mentally prepared to totally abandon explosive training for 8 weeks :) I'm thinking of doing box jumps to a max height on my wednesday workout and then adding an extra saturday workout which is just cleans working up to a training max single (not an absolute max). I've been front or back squatting 2-3 times a week plus olympic lifts with no difficulty for over a month now for multiple sets so I'm confident in my ability to handle the volume. Also with 28 inch thighs and 13.5 inch arms I think I can afford to sacrifice a little leg growth if it means staying explosive. sound ok?

I'll post up my entire plan once I get it figured out and probably do measurements and report my results if I decide to go through with it.
 
am I gonna lose anything by staying somewhat light so that form is always really perfect?

No.

sound ok?

Sure... I'd try introducing the speed and oly stuff during the first week of a minicycle, ie, the light one. Then you can try it during the heavier week depending on how it goes.
 
Hey guys,
This is for those who have actually performed the routine. The gains on the routine... are gains quality muscle gains or is the workout more for bulk? I would think diet is the main factor in this, but just wanted to get your thoughts.
Thanks
 
Go to the HST website, go to the forums, go to the general training board. Go to the thread asking how everyone's gains were on HST. There are 200 plus examples there.
 
Here's my current routine, I finally decided on something I really like.

Squats x 2, SLDL x 1
alt. with
Leg extension x2, SLDL x 2
-even though I know leg extension probably isolates quads better, they never feel as tired as they do after I squat. It's like with squats I get genuinely fatigued, with leg extension I just feel a burn but then it goes away.

Calf raise x 2
Pullups x 2
DB Rows x 2
Chest dips x 2, DB incline press x1
alt. with
Chest dips x 1, DB incline x 2
-both at 2 sets was too much for me

Lateral raises x 1
DB curls x 1
Tricep cable pressdown x 1
Rear delt raises x 1

Good results so far, up 3 pounds by middle of 15's and look a bit bigger.
 
Shit man, that's nice. Any measurements taken? Let us know!

Your split looks pretty good. I can't do a lot of sets during the 15's though. The reps never get completed. That's why I'm pyramiding my sets from 1 during the 15's, 2 during the 10's and 3 for the 5's.
 
haha. I stuck with HST for about 2 weeks. Did the testing and deconditioning correctly and then 2 weeks of 15's. It worked for sure but it really is hypertrophy specific - I lost strength on every lift in the 1-5 rep range. It came back quickly of course but I was too freaked out to go back to the program. Those two weeks were the fastest I've seen a change in my appearance in a long time, though. I got quite a bit stronger in the 10-15 rep range as well (and I've kept that strength). I suspect that if I had completed the program I would have been more muscular and noticeably stronger in the 5-10 rep range than when I started, but with less speed and maximal strength. Since speed and maximal strength are at the top of my priority list for training, with anything else a distant second, the program's not really for me I guess :)
 
You know, Bryan himself claims that the 15's will give very little in way of size gains. That block of 2 weeks is just to prepare the tendons, ligaments and connective tissues for the heavier loads. Though, many people jump right into lower-rep routines (I did with 5x5 for a couple months) and don't wind up with any problems.

That being so, I think it may be more beneficial to start at the 10's, go through 2 weeks of those (maybe 3) and 2 weeks of the 5's. I'll give this a shot after my first full 6-8 week HST cycle.
 
just weighed myself, i gained 8 pounds total. im in the middle of the 3rd week. im prolly gonna train like this 75% of the year. i like it alot
 
Tom Treutlein said:
What does your split look like, Oak? I might have been doing too few sets during the 15's to make a difference.

squat x2
hamstring curl x1
calf raise x2
flat bench press x1
incline press x1
flat db press x1 (new to the routine, wasnt in the first 2 weeks)
bb row x2
pulldown x2
seated military x1
laterial raise x2
over head ext x1
press down x1
dip x1 (occasionally)
bb curl x1
hammer curl x1

takes about 60-70 mins
 
Wow that's a lot of exercises. I generally do around 11 or 12 for HST I think. But if it works for you, that's awesome! Judging from your avatard it is working :)
 
Oak, do you ever get sore the next day? I just wokeup now actually, and something is finally sore for once! I did incline presses with dumbbells yesterday instead of barbells just to switch things up, and my chest is on fire. I love it. Too bad my dumbbells can't go any higher in weight now. Shit.
 
Do you do the exact same exercises for all 8 weeks or do all three days of the week?
I would of thought that having a different routine for each day would be better.
Alternating between 2-3 routines, all working all body parts...
Think it would work with HST. Anyone know of any examples where it has worked?
 
allon, people do sometimes alternate exercises. But it's usually not just for the hell of it, it's usually that it makes them too fatigued to do all the exercises they want in one workout. For instance, squats and deads. Good luck doing those together, that's one that people usually alternate.

The downside to alternating is there are so many more numbers you have to know and it's much harder to know that the true weight the muscles experience is increasing from session to session. I wouldn't advise too much of it.
 
Hi everybody, couple of questions here as I am thinking of starting a HST routine... I just got back from a months travels and then was ill for two weeks so I am seriously deconditioned and I'm thinking it makes sense to go on HST plus I want to try it anyway...

What is the best way to find my maxes? As the reps change every two weeks do I need to find the maxes every two weeks? Do I need to take a week off after finding the maxes for the first time?
Also, stupid question but no articles mention the specific of incorporating warm up sets into the routine... any examples, or should I just do 15 easy reps per exersize before doing the working sets?
 
Well, I've taken a LONG time off lifting so this program should suit me fine. I just have a couple of questions.

Will this be a good routine for someone coming back after a long time off, or even for a newbie?

How do I find out what weights to use? The article I read talked about maxes and shit like 10 rep max weights, but what do I base this on? Do I go in the gym, do 1-rep maxes then plug them into some kind of formula? Because I can't find the formula. Or do I go in and try to find my 15 rep max, my 10 rep max, and my 5 rep max for bench all in the same day?
 
6.2 I have been doing some serious reading on this in the last 2 days. I think it would be great for a newbie to try. I think if the diet is right, a novice could see some great gains. Also on the website casuallbb listed there is a computerized printable chart that calculates the numbers(although I havent figured out how to use it yet).
cwc
 
frorider -- you want to take a week and find the numbers

Pick the exercises you want, figure out how much weight you can do for 15, 10, and 5 reps. Find the 15's on monday, 10's on wed, 5's on friday. That way you rest in between and they're accurate

THEN take 9 days off, start the HST cycle the following monday and use the weights you determined
 
i got a question....

casualbb, i'm gonna start this program, and i was just wondering if you have to hit the gym everyday, or is there a split (like mon, wed, friday)?

btw, i'm gonna use the exercises u posted for ur specific training and see how they work, cuz it seems like it covers pretty much everything.
 
i have a few questions that i have not seen answered. okay it says to find ur maxes for each rep range, in this example i will use incline bench and we will assume the max for 1x10 is 200. after u find ur max and its 200x10 and u reverse it back and that would have u doing 150 for ur first week. but it says to do 2x10 for incline bench, so what weight would u use for the second set? same weight or what? thanks
 
Question: Will daily cardio adversely affect my HST cycle?
I do various cardio including:
-grappling/wrestling
-boxing
-judo
-running
-swimming

Can ya guys let me know about that?

Also, how many days rest should I take after I'm done with my last week with negatives?
 
Another quick question, after I get my numbers. Let's say I'm doing reverse flies and I'm using dumbbells. They go 10,11,12,13,14,15 for 15's. What do I do if they don't have 11,13 or 14 to use as dumbbell weights? Just repeat?
 
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