HPTA Supression TEST Dosage depandant ?

[junk]

Is 1 gram of Test really more supressive to the HPTA than say
250mg ?

My logic tells me that when your body has more test than he
needs, he will stop (or downregulate) test production.

250mg a week is MUCH more than the human body
needs and produces on it's own anyway. So 1 gram of test
may supress natural test production just as much (or almost)
as 250mg will.

 

[Stillgoing]

Its a good question. I know that doses as low as 200mg for longer periods of time have shut me down hard (now that I'm in my mid 30s - didn't used to do it when I was in my 20s).

 

[Austrian]

we know that 250mg enanthate per week will only suppress you around 30-60% depending on the individual. therefore researchers give subjects an gnrh-antagonist to suppress endogenous production 100% to compare different test levels.
it has also been shown in several male birth control trials: even with exogeneous test much higher than natural levels often in 20% or so the HPTA is still alive and they continue to produce sperm.
there has been no study done with more then 600mg per week, so it would be possible that there are individuals whose HPTA still functions at 1g+ test a week.

 

[liftsiron]

Austrian we know that 250mg enanthate per week will only suppress you around 30-60% depending on the individual. therefore researchers give subjects an gnrh-antagonist to suppress endogenous production 100% to compare different test levels.
it has also been shown in several male birth control trials: even with exogeneous test much higher than natural levels often in 20% or so the HPTA is still alive and they continue to produce sperm.
there has been no study done with more then 600mg per week, so it would be possible that there are individuals whose HPTA still functions at 1g+ test a week.
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That's for sure I know a guy who knocked up his wife on 2 grams of test a week. Yes it is his child. HTPA shutdown is a strange thing and varies greatly from person to person. I believe that a person's steroid history plays an important role. I think that over time it takes more test to shut the the htpa down than when we first begin to cycle.

 

[Stillgoing]

Austrian we know that 250mg enanthate per week will only suppress you around 30-60% depending on the individual. therefore researchers give subjects an gnrh-antagonist to suppress endogenous production 100% to compare different test levels.
it has also been shown in several male birth control trials: even with exogeneous test much higher than natural levels often in 20% or so the HPTA is still alive and they continue to produce sperm.
there has been no study done with more then 600mg per week, so it would be possible that there are individuals whose HPTA still functions at 1g+ test a week.
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That's for sure I know a guy who knocked up his wife on 2 grams of test a week. Yes it is his child. HTPA shutdown is a strange thing and varies greatly from person to person. I believe that a person's steroid history plays an important role. I think that over time it takes more test to shut the the htpa down than when we first begin to cycle.

Yeah, and age is a huge factor too.

 

[jasonstrong]

Yes age time and dose all work together so it really is a combination.

However I think it is more time than dose:

Weak example:

Which will be more suppressive 1 gm for one week or 250 mgs for 4 weeks lets use sust as the ester....?

 

[junk]

Interesting ideas.. And if test @250mg will supress just as much (or almost as much) as 1g of test, then why not go with the 1g choice? (That is with enough anti-aromatase and protectors)

 

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[Nelson Montana]

we know that 250mg enanthate per week will only suppress you around 30-60% depending on the individual. therefore researchers give subjects an gnrh-antagonist to suppress endogenous production 100% to compare different test levels.
it has also been shown in several male birth control trials: even with exogeneous test much higher than natural levels often in 20% or so the HPTA is still alive and they continue to produce sperm.
there has been no study done with more then 600mg per week, so it would be possible that there are individuals whose HPTA still functions at 1g+ test a week.

Thank you. This is something that a lot of people don't get. As a matter of fact, jumk didn't seem to get it.

It IS dose and duration related and although there are many factors aome good estimates can be made. The HPTA can handle exogenous administration for about a month and recoup pretty easily. After that, recovery becomes incresingly hindered. At the same time, a man can be on low dose HRT and still produce T even though he's never "off." This is evidenced by the fact that a guy on HRT still has balls. (Though after 4-5 months, they start to show signs of atrophy. That's when it's time for some HCG).

For some readon , one gram a week seems to be the magic number. (give or take a hundred mgs here or there) After that, the HPTA seems to say; "Fuck it." After 2 months of over a gram a week and you're pretty much shut down in the literal sense. But just because a small dose is suppressive, that isn't the say as "shut down." So the thinking.'I'm shut doem anyway. I might as well do as much as I want' is unrealistic and inaccurate.

I believe if done correctly, you can do 3, one month cycles a year, and walk away with an extra 15 permanent pounds with little or no suppression.

 

[doubles1]

nelly what type of cycle we talking here prop/fina?