How's this for my major cutting cycle?

[Ho0zie]

Hey guys,
I've been training hard and bulking, but now it's time to get ripped for summer!

This is my cycle that I plan on doing but I would like to know what you guys think. I have lots of experience on bulking, but I am relatively new to cutting cycles. I have done 2 minor ones, both with decent results) I have a very clean diet and will be doing a lot of cardio along with weight lifting. I've done some research and this is the cycle I have come up with:

My stats are:
5'10
210 pds
BF% not sure but I would say around %15 or so. I will get it checked out before starting my cycle and get bloodwork done as always

T3 - 25mcgx4Days 50mcgx4Days 75mcgx4D 100mcgx4Days 75mcgx4Days 50mcgx4Days 25mcgx4Days = 4 weeks

Clen - *2weeks on. 2weeks off* w1<d1-40mcg d2-60mcg d3-80mcg d4-d7-100mcg> Week2,Week5,Week6,Week9,Week10-100mcg
(I will be using thermorexin/yohimburn ES during the 2 weeks that I am off clen each time.)

Test Cypionate - W1 500mg, W2 500mg, W3 400mg, W4 400mg, W5 300mg, W6 300mg = 6 weeks

Winny(Oral) - W3 50mg ED, W4 75mg ED, W5 75mg ED, W6 100mg ED, W7 75mg ED, W8 50mg ED = 6 weeks

Tren - Weeks 3-8 EOD 75mg - 6 weeks

Armidex - 0.5mg EOD - 8 weeks

PCT

Clomid - D1 -300mg D2 -200mg D3-14-100mg D15-21-50mg= 3 weeks

Armidex - 0.5mg EOD throughout PCT

HCG - 1000i.u Monday, Wednesday, Friday x3weeks

I chose Test Cypionate because I heard that some people have been getting great results with it when used in their cutting cycle. I have used cypionate before, but only for bulking. I didn't get much water bloat, so that was good. Would Test Prop, Enanthate, or Sustanon be better and if so, why? I just wanted a good testosterone while doing my t3 so that I don't get a catabolic effect. Also, which is more recommended: Nolvadex or Armidex. I can get them at similar prices so that's not the problem. I haven't used Armidex before, but I have used Nolvadex.
Anyways anyone who has advice or experience is welcome!

 

[steelmass]

Up the Arimidex if you're using Cyp

 

[Ho0zie]

Should I put it to 1mg EOD? Also, in your opinion, which of the tests would you think is best when used in a cutting cycle? (sust, prop, enan, cyp)

 

[i am what i am]

Now I know that there are studies out there that state that armidex at .5mg yield the same results as if you ran it at 5mg. Don't quote me on that, but I believe I read it in one of Anthony Roberts articles. So i think the .5mg will do fine, and if sides get bad, he can always up the does.

 

[mlong23]

I have never used Prop before, and I am about to for my cutting. Everything I have read on it says that it is the better choice for cutting, because of less water retention than most, due to the short life of the drug.

 

[Ho0zie]

Yeah that's what I heard too but I'm running low on cash as it is and cyp cheaper for me hahaha ugh.. Can you put tren and prop in the same syringe to take it as one shot EOD instead of 2 EOD? I might have to drop something if I end up not having enough money. (I'm pretty sure I do but you never know) If I had to drop one of them, which thing would I drop? The reason I might have to drop something is because I was thinking about getting a bottle of viagara JUST incase the tren totally wacks me out and I'm a little short on cash for that. (I don't want my gf getting disappointed haha) Whatcha think?

 

[Ho0zie]

anyone?

 

[big49ersfan]

test is test man use what you want!!! mak used tets e to cut on and he was at 4% it is all about contorlling bloat waterever your on.

if you are trying to cut cost just use test and adex diet and cardio is way more powerful than t3 and clen. if you have some more cash add in the tren.

also if you are going on holiday/ photo shot whilst on then adex is good but if your not then pct should get rid of your water weight thus eliminating sides form adex and cost.

 

[Ho0zie]

What about the winny? Do you think I should use it or tren? I can get T3 for really cheap and I already have clen left from before, so I think what I might just do the cycle I listed above and skip the winny, unless anyone thinks I should skip a different drug. It's either going to be getting tren or winny. Which do you think will promote more weight loss during a 2 month (well tren 6 week) period?

 

[Ho0zie]

Im also wondering what kind of results I can expect from this cycle, although of course I know that it it varies btwn person to person. But if my diet was totally clean and I trained hard and kept to my routine, I'm wondering what to expect. Has anyone done a cycle similar to this before?

 

[big49ersfan]

never used tren but my brother (who is my trianing partner has) he loves the stuff and so from him i would say to use the tren over the iwnny plus avoiding orals is aways a little bit better for your system. but bump for more experinced bros.

 

[Ho0zie]

I'm debating on whether to get Tren A or Tren E.. The Tren E is a little more expensive but not too bad. What doses each week would I do for the 6 weeks of Tren E if I took it? Oh also would I be able to put the Tren E and Test Cyp together for one injection a week instead of two?

 

[Ho0zie]

Oh also, could tren A mix with a test and get injected together?

 

[Ho0zie]

bump

 

[informed09]

Bro run the test as long as you are going to run the tren. Six weeks of long ester test would not be that good(8-10 is min). The prop and tren ace can be injected together. Winn will also help combat some of the tren sides. Just my thoughts.

 

[Ho0zie]

Oops I mistyped that. Yeah I'll be running them together until both end. ^^

 

[black sheep]

I have experience with this same cycle and I suggest you make some changes.

First, if you are going to do EOD injections, why not use Prop? If you are dead set on Cyp, you should run the Tren in the first 6 weeks, and run the test 2 weeks past the tren. Personnaly I like finishing with Prop after Tren. I did the following:

Week 1-8 Test Cyp 500mg/week
Week 1-8 Tren 100mg/EOD
Week 3-8 Winny 75mg ED ORAL
Week 9-10 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Start PCT on week 11

THe Prop at the end will aid in your tren recovery, and allow you to go firectly into PCT without waiting for the long ester to clear. When doing that my recovery was much quicker, and MUCH MUCH better!!

 

[Ho0zie]

thanks for the advice! im going to revise my cycle a little bit and i'll let you know what i decide to do. thanks again ^^

 

[Ho0zie]

do i need the winny? this is what i decided to do, but because i am short on funds, i would prefer not to put in winny unless it would help greatly:

test prop weeks 1-4 100mgEOD weeks 5-6 200mgEOD weeks 7-8 100mgEOD
tren weeks 1-6 - 100mgEOD
winny - week 3-8 - 75mgED
T3 - 25mcgx4Days 50mcgx4Days 75mcgx4D 100mcgx4Days 75mcgx4Days 50mcgx4Days 25mcgx4Days = 4 weeks
armidex - 0.5mg EOD
HCG - 1000i.u Monday, Wednesday, Friday x3weeks
Clomid - D1 -300mg D2 -200mg D3-14-100mg D15-21-50mg= 3 weeks

 

[bigrand]

IMHO, i would save all that juice for bulking, except the tren.
I look at fat burning like this......you only need one AS (i REALLY love anadrol at 50mg ED for this) and it is only used for its anti-catabolic effects. The only AAS that has shown SOME ability to help with fat loss is tren (elevation in metabolism, but not proven).
Cutting should be diet ant cardio first, fat burning supps next (clen, T3, whatever you want), and an anti catabolic (only one needed) third. This way, you can cut the cals way back and up the cardio and fat burners w/o loosing muscle.

On the 50mg drol, i eat like 1500 cals a day and do 45 min cardio ED and loose NO muscle. It also keeps my body from breaking down too much in the joints and in the fatigue areas.

 

[black sheep]

IMHO, i would save all that juice for bulking, except the tren.
I look at fat burning like this......you only need one AS (i REALLY love anadrol at 50mg ED for this) and it is only used for its anti-catabolic effects. The only AAS that has shown SOME ability to help with fat loss is tren (elevation in metabolism, but not proven).
Cutting should be diet ant cardio first, fat burning supps next (clen, T3, whatever you want), and an anti catabolic (only one needed) third. This way, you can cut the cals way back and up the cardio and fat burners w/o loosing muscle.

On the 50mg drol, i eat like 1500 cals a day and do 45 min cardio ED and loose NO muscle. It also keeps my body from breaking down too much in the joints and in the fatigue areas.

I respectfully disagree with using Anadrol while trying to cut. THen again, I would not use drol for ANYTHING. I also would not use Tren without test.

 

[bigrand]

I never would have thought to use it for cutting, but it has worked wonders. Its highly anabolic and prevents muscle wasting quite well, even at low doses. Since all i would use AS for when cutting would be muscle preservation, it does the trick!

I just dont see the point of using so many different AAS when your cutting? The caloric deficit prevents muscle growth and thats what AAS are best at (and preventing wasting) so to me its kind of a waste. You get what you need by using only 1, and that is muscle preservation. Any one will do, u just prefer drol cuz it works well and doesnt aromatize (i dont get prog bloat).

 

[JohnRambo]

Deca/winny...

 

[MR. BMJ]

Anadrol is great for cutting. I agree with Bigrand.

BMJ

 

[Ho0zie]

Should I do this cycle with the ANPB diet made by Mr.X? I am very interested in it ^^ I know this question should be in the dieting section, but yeah... any thoughts?

 

[Ho0zie]

bump

 

[gstacker]

I have experience with this same cycle and I suggest you make some changes.

First, if you are going to do EOD injections, why not use Prop? If you are dead set on Cyp, you should run the Tren in the first 6 weeks, and run the test 2 weeks past the tren. Personnaly I like finishing with Prop after Tren. I did the following:

Week 1-8 Test Cyp 500mg/week
Week 1-8 Tren 100mg/EOD
Week 3-8 Winny 75mg ED ORAL
Week 9-10 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Start PCT on week 11

THe Prop at the end will aid in your tren recovery, and allow you to go firectly into PCT without waiting for the long ester to clear. When doing that my recovery was much quicker, and MUCH MUCH better!!

thats a pretty clever cycle you planned there

 

[dr_skier]

yes you go right into pct without waiting for the long ester to clear, but if you are running hcg in those 2.5 weeks while the ester is clearing dont you have the added benfiet of being on the road to recover while having residual test in you?