How would You do this?

[Jack steel]

How would you run a Tren enanthenate/Winstrol/Proviron cycle? Or wouldn't you? This is what i'm imagining for my next cycle. I've never run winstrol before but i have tren. I haven't touched proviron before either. I've heard things about trenbolone and winstrol on here before, but am i right in throwing proviron in the mix for sexual sides, and a little more SHBG blocking? Has anyone used this combo before? I'd love to hear from everyone but especially the experienced and most knowledgeable. Thanks!

 

[gymjunkie09]

How would you run a Tren enanthenate/Winstrol/Proviron cycle? Or wouldn't you? This is what i'm imagining for my next cycle. I've never run winstrol before but i have tren. I haven't touched proviron before either. I've heard things about trenbolone and winstrol on here before, but am i right in throwing proviron in the mix for sexual sides, and a little more SHBG blocking? Has anyone used this combo before? I'd love to hear from everyone but especially the experienced and most knowledgeable. Thanks!

I wouldn't....pick one or the other unless you kickstart with winny and the proviron at the backend since proviron isn't liver toxic, running them at the same time is a wast imo

 

[dylangemelli]

just to add to this... it would be wiser to run test with this cycle and proviron goes along much better with anavar... test, tren, anavar and proviron... this would be a more ideal stack

 

[oxymoron]

i'm seriously looking at a running prov for a cycle but my findings so far are run that with a solid test base bro. put test with everything bro! why not it's cheap and will make u fell fucking great.

 

[gymjunkie09]

just to add to this... it would be wiser to run test with this cycle and proviron goes along much better with anavar... test, tren, anavar and proviron... this would be a more ideal stack

yeah i just figured he was running test lol, and yes anavar and proviron are like bread and butter

 

[Jack steel]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I like running test but i've heard an opinion or two that it really didn't need test. But then again, he was arguing for using tren all by itself. Is it just for libido that ya'll prefer test here, or is it the added anabolic power? I just figured if the proviron kept my sex drive up i'd be ok. Anyway, I was actually already thinking of doing what gymjunkie mentioned which is using the provimed once my winstrol runs out. Is it true clomid is useless as a pct with compounds like these since they don't aromatize?

was thinking of doing this: 8 weeks
wks 1-8 tren forte around 200mg/wk
1-2 winstrol 50mg ed
3-4 winstrol 25mg ed
4-8 proviron 100mg ed

If i change this and throw in test ill take out the winny and do proviron throughout the whole cycle as well as 200-250 mg of test.... or that's what my hasty plan is anyhow.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ clomid does more than just bind so thats why i use a small amount.

did u read the thread i put up a couple days back where i put down exactly what i ran with my tren cycle? if not look it up.

and no you don't need more anabolic power with tren. it has plenty.. so you don't need test with it. you aren't running primo here.

 

[jcmbbfuture]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I like running test but i've heard an opinion or two that it really didn't need test. But then again, he was arguing for using tren all by itself. Is it just for libido that ya'll prefer test here, or is it the added anabolic power? I just figured if the proviron kept my sex drive up i'd be ok. Anyway, I was actually already thinking of doing what gymjunkie mentioned which is using the provimed once my winstrol runs out. Is it true clomid is useless as a pct with compounds like these since they don't aromatize?

was thinking of doing this: 8 weeks
wks 1-8 tren forte around 200mg/wk
1-2 winstrol 50mg ed
3-4 winstrol 25mg ed
4-8 proviron 100mg ed

If i change this and throw in test ill take out the winny and do proviron throughout the whole cycle as well as 200-250 mg of test.... or that's what my hasty plan is anyhow.

Never ram proviron but tren and win stack is great! Unlike most I had no joint issues with win but the strength, hardness, and vascularity u get with the two is awesome. I did have a small dose of test in there (250mg a week) as well but its not needed if u run the right support supps. I am one for low doses but to me 25mg is a bit low. I ram it at 100mg but u could def stay with 50mg....I wouldn't drop below that. Proviron would be a nice add on in the end. It would really dry u out and harden u up in combo with the tren and win!

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[stevesmi]

^^^ yup the pumps and vascularity I am getting on tren/winny are INSANE at the gym. I decided to try that stack to see what would happen and i have been very impressed.. I won't comment on the proviron cause i have never stacked proviron with tren so i'm not gonna be one of those guys who gives an opinion on something he has never tried.. but i have stacked tren with mast (pretty much the brother or proviron) and besides the prolactin help did not see much of a difference.

i would suggest keeping the winny at 50mg though.

are you gonna be injecting or drinking?

also I look trimmer but my body weight is up which tells me I have put on some quality pure muscle mass on this cycle.. pics will be coming in the next few weeks so all you skeptics can see what stevey has done to himself

 

[zwhit]

I ran something similar while back. I ran:

Test e @ 250mg
Tren e @ 400mg
Winny @ 50mg ed the last 4 weeks

I started that one at 5'10 195lb. with around 10-11% bf and ended up dropping 1-2% bf and hitting PRs in every major lift. My joints were shot by the end of it though.

 

[zwhit]

Oh, and it thinned the fuck out of my hair. I wont run it again just for that reason.

And I'm not really prone to mpb as all the men in my family have full heads of hair.

 

[Jack steel]

^^^ clomid does more than just bind so thats why i use a small amount.

did u read the thread i put up a couple days back where i put down exactly what i ran with my tren cycle? if not look it up.

and no you don't need more anabolic power with tren. it has plenty.. so you don't need test with it. you aren't running primo here.

Ya, i think that might have been the thread i was reading actually. You were talking about how tren doesn't need any help in that area. I'll go back and reread that. And thanks I'll keep clomid on the order. Also, since I'll be running at least one drug with some anti-estrogenic properties (winstrol or proviron) do i still need to run an AI throughout or leave it for my pct? Was planning on liquidex, but might grab some aromasin if needed. It's been a few years since i last ran tren, so i can't remember what to expect exactly. I ran it with like 4 other compounds too, so i didnt know what was doing what.

 

[Jack steel]

Never ram proviron but tren and win stack is great! Unlike most I had no joint issues with win but the strength, hardness, and vascularity u get with the two is awesome. I did have a small dose of test in there (250mg a week) as well but its not needed if u run the right support supps. I am one for low doses but to me 25mg is a bit low. I ram it at 100mg but u could def stay with 50mg....I wouldn't drop below that. Proviron would be a nice add on in the end. It would really dry u out and harden u up in combo with the tren and win!

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I dropped it to 25mg at that point because i heard you can keep the SHBG inhibiting effects at that dose without causing joint discomfort. Fuck it though, i'll go 50mg for the whole 4 weeks then. Thanks again for all the continued advice gentleman!

 

[Gunslinger007]

Any time you run DHT compounds, use Nizoral shampoo, Spironolactone, or Azelaic Acid topically on your dome. I have thick hair, but Winny caused extreme shedding within 1 week, and Proviron was causing shedding also when doses exceeded 50mg/day. Winny also caused me pain in my shoulders and elbows, within one week of being on.

Scrap the idea of running Winny at all. It screws your cholesterol levels, gives you acne everywhere, makes you shed hair, and gives you joint pain. Winny is a "dirty" steroid, compounds like Anavar or MHN are much better choices if you want to shred.

 

[Jack steel]

I've heard Winny was more effective than anavar if you discount the side effects. I'm not worried at this point about the sides as i'll be running tb500 also which should help with joints i hope. I'm gonna lose all my damn hair anyway eventually, plus i have a buzz cut all the time. Plus i've heard some people don't have as much trouble with sides as others, so as curious a creature as i am i HAVE to try it out for myself. I appreciate the heads up though. If it gets too bad i can always stop it and start the provimed early.

 

[Jack steel]

Ya, i think that might have been the thread i was reading actually. You were talking about how tren doesn't need any help in that area. I'll go back and reread that. And thanks I'll keep clomid on the order. Also, since I'll be running at least one drug with some anti-estrogenic properties (winstrol or proviron) do i still need to run an AI throughout or leave it for my pct? Was planning on liquidex, but might grab some aromasin if needed. It's been a few years since i last ran tren, so i can't remember what to expect exactly. I ran it with like 4 other compounds too, so i didnt know what was doing what.

Oh, and the reason i asked about an AI despite running nothing that aromatizes is because i do have a tendency to get a little gyno on my left side. I know letro is the best but liquidex should suffice. Does anyone know how long liquidex stay good AFTER Opening?

 

[stevesmi]

you don't need an AI on this cycle no. really the question you shoudl ask is do you need anti-prolactin.. my answer is YES in a LOW DOSE. why? cause prolactin can be dropped to near zero and it will not effect your muscle growth unlike killing estrogen. males DO NOT need prolactin at all hence its okay to run winny + caber and not worry... i'm not saying run high doses of caber though cause caber is a drug.. i'm saying run it in a low dose and you will be g2g.

try the winny bro. I am on it now and I love it, everyone will react different. only way to know if you like it is to try. drink the stuff, don't inject cause of the pain.

keep in mind though I eat fresh fish all the time, i eat cage free omega eggs all the time and i consume a lot of olive oil and grass fed beef on occasion. hence i have had zero joint issues. if you don't get enough omega's then either you need to get on krill oil or scrap winny altogether. most people fail to get omega's in their diet. also my body structure i am less prone to joint issues. usually guys who are tall and lanky have lots of problems will knees, elbows etc. i would never recommend winny to a tall bball player for example. Moya loves winny too and he is only 5 5 .. so definately there is a pattern of tall guys vs. shorter guys having joint issues

all i know is the pumps and vascularity is awesome on this stuff... if it don't work out for you after a couple weeks then fuck it just stop it and move on.

 

[Jack steel]

you don't need an AI on this cycle no. really the question you shoudl ask is do you need anti-prolactin.. my answer is YES in a LOW DOSE. why? cause prolactin can be dropped to near zero and it will not effect your muscle growth unlike killing estrogen. males DO NOT need prolactin at all hence its okay to run winny + caber and not worry... i'm not saying run high doses of caber though cause caber is a drug.. i'm saying run it in a low dose and you will be g2g.

try the winny bro. I am on it now and I love it, everyone will react different. only way to know if you like it is to try. drink the stuff, don't inject cause of the pain.

keep in mind though I eat fresh fish all the time, i eat cage free omega eggs all the time and i consume a lot of olive oil and grass fed beef on occasion. hence i have had zero joint issues. if you don't get enough omega's then either you need to get on krill oil or scrap winny altogether. most people fail to get omega's in their diet. also my body structure i am less prone to joint issues. usually guys who are tall and lanky have lots of problems will knees, elbows etc. i would never recommend winny to a tall bball player for example. Moya loves winny too and he is only 5 5 .. so definately there is a pattern of tall guys vs. shorter guys having joint issues

all i know is the pumps and vascularity is awesome on this stuff... if it don't work out for you after a couple weeks then fuck it just stop it and move on.

Thanks Steve, i love alive oil and i try to take fish oil or something of the like as much as i can. I have a good feeling about this cycle and i want to run everything all the way through, so i'll mind your warning on the omegas. looking for caber now. after that and liver protection i think i'll be set for November. Thanks a ton!

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ cool good luck. if you can afford it definately go with krill oil, its a lot more potent and strong.

with the olive oil just drink a tablespoon of the stuff everyday but keep in mind A LOT of olive oil isn't really olive oil.. it is actually vegetable oil. so make sure you buy the legit stuff, if you drink it and it burns your throat then its real olive oil. just because the bottle says olive oil doesn't mean it really is.

 

[RADAR]

legit olive oil should say on the bottle "Pure Extra Virgin olive oil".

 

[Jack steel]

thanks again, I'll have to remember the krill oil.

 

[Jack steel]

I've dropped proviron from this cycle and I bought 20 days of winstrol I meant to kick start with. I was just wondering if anyone thinks I should leave it for the back end? Take note I'm shooting for mass gain, not cutting.

 

[zwhit]

Either way you're going to win. I'd save it for the end when the tren is in full effect. You'll put up huge numbers when you start the winny and the tren is going strong. It'll help get rid of any extra prolactin at the end giving you an advantage going into pct.

 

[RADAR]

If you decide to drink the winstrol make sure its water based and not oil.

 

[Jack steel]

If you decide to drink the winstrol make sure its water based and not oil.

Oh ya sorry I'm doing tabs actually I forgot to mention that. I think the end would be good as well considering the SHBG binding winstrol does, so it'll be a nice little boost on the tren dose. I'm running Melanotan 2 throughout the cycle for prolactin and a nice little tan. Wish I could've gotten caber but my source only carries bromocryptine and I don't want to inhibit GH which I've read it does. I have a couple weeks until my shit gets here so does anyone know when GWP will be restocked with caber, and on that note does anyone know if its any good?

 

[Jack steel]

If you decide to drink the winstrol make sure its water based and not oil.

Btw this is the fest I'm hearing of drinking winstrol. That's kinda cool! So it you absorb it just as much that way?

 

[Jack steel]

If you decide to drink the winstrol make sure its water based and not oil.

Btw this is the first I'm hearing of drinking winstrol. That's kinda cool! So you absorb it just as much that way?

 

[RADAR]

Btw this is the fest I'm hearing of drinking winstrol. That's kinda cool! So you absorb it just as much that way?

Done it both ways ,can't tell a difference, Of course everyone will argue with facts and crap on theories..etc,etc!

 

[stevesmi]

winny has hellish for me.. i had to drop it to 25mg.. my gf has been bitching to me since then that my hairline took a beating. i can compare winny to masteron but 10X stronger and meaner on the hairline. not sure I will ever run it again.

 

[Colstreamer]

Oh ya sorry I'm doing tabs actually I forgot to mention that. I think the end would be good as well considering the SHBG binding winstrol does, so it'll be a nice little boost on the tren dose. I'm running Melanotan 2 throughout the cycle for prolactin and a nice little tan. Wish I could've gotten caber but my source only carries bromocryptine and I don't want to inhibit GH which I've read it does. I have a couple weeks until my shit gets here so does anyone know when GWP will be restocked with caber, and on that note does anyone know if its any good?

Bromocriptine only suppresses GH if your levels are high to start with like if you're taking HGH, otherwise it promotes GH release.

"Bromocriptine also effects other pituitary hormones, including growth hormone. It increases growth hormone for those who have a normal concentration of it, and suppresses it in those who have an overabundance. So if you’re taking a ton of GH, don’t take Bromo. But if you are off season, Bromo is ideal for making great in roads to fat loss so you don’t have to work as hard when you start dieting for a competition and get on a big mass cycle."

 

[zwhit]

winny has hellish for me.. i had to drop it to 25mg.. my gf has been bitching to me since then that my hairline took a beating. i can compare winny to masteron but 10X stronger and meaner on the hairline. not sure I will ever run it again.

Yeah bro that was my experience as well. 50mg/day of winny blows the same dose of mast away but its hell on the hair. I've got a few tabs left over from last time i used it and i won't use it after those are gone.

 

[Jack steel]

winny has hellish for me.. i had to drop it to 25mg.. my gf has been bitching to me since then that my hairline took a beating. i can compare winny to masteron but 10X stronger and meaner on the hairline. not sure I will ever run it again.

Damn Steve, I was all excited hearing better things from you before on winny lol. Well my dose I think for this cycle will be 30 mg Ed for the back 25 days. I ordered 100/10mg tabs and 20ml of stealth tren /100mg/ml. I'll be doing it this way:

1-10 tren 100mg x 2 EW
1-10 melanotan 2 (whatever my dose has to be to keep prolactin down and not get too dark)
8-10 30mg winstrol ED (3 wks)

PCT:
Clomid
Bridge
Daa
Mucuna
Liquidex
Ostarine

 

[Jack steel]

Bromocriptine only suppresses GH if your levels are high to start with like if you're taking HGH, otherwise it promotes GH release.

"Bromocriptine also effects other pituitary hormones, including growth hormone. It increases growth hormone for those who have a normal concentration of it, and suppresses it in those who have an overabundance. So if you’re taking a ton of GH, don’t take Bromo. But if you are off season, Bromo is ideal for making great in roads to fat loss so you don’t have to work as hard when you start dieting for a competition and get on a big mass cycle."

Nice thanks for that bro, it's too late to get now because my guy has a $200 minimum buy rule. I'm comfortable with mt2 from all I've heard about it though. Good to know for next time.