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just wondering for anyone that has expierence of women using DECA or any ladies out there that use, ....what the gains, dose, sides-effects and general opinion you have of it..... thanks.
How Well Does DECA WORK For Women???
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xonic2xonic
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Elzi Volk who I believe is a big source for training info especially regarding women, tested positive for Nandrolone and was barred from competing for 3 years.
FlexManning
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Uh, according to Bill Llewellen(sp?) deca is the BEST choice for women, mg/mg as far as fewest side effects.
All that other stuff about small doses of winny and anavar and all the other crap you hear, is IMO just myth.
Why should women avoid deca? The only reason I can think of is if they were going to be tested for steroids for some reason or another, which is like .0001 percent of women in America.
The whole reason nor-testosterones even exist is that they are less harmful to women! (We're talking evolution wise here, not pharmaceutically.They are secreted naturally during fetal development.)
As far as avoiding long esters, again, long esters are generally safer. Which is safer, test suspension or cyp., as far as sides? The whole purpose of a long ester is steady release.
What Bill said makes sense. Think about it: my wife is pregnant right now and secreting some nor-testosterone. If anavar or winny or whatever is safer, then why in the world would mother nature expose fetuses and women to what is basically Deca?
All that other stuff about small doses of winny and anavar and all the other crap you hear, is IMO just myth.
Why should women avoid deca? The only reason I can think of is if they were going to be tested for steroids for some reason or another, which is like .0001 percent of women in America.
The whole reason nor-testosterones even exist is that they are less harmful to women! (We're talking evolution wise here, not pharmaceutically.They are secreted naturally during fetal development.)
As far as avoiding long esters, again, long esters are generally safer. Which is safer, test suspension or cyp., as far as sides? The whole purpose of a long ester is steady release.
What Bill said makes sense. Think about it: my wife is pregnant right now and secreting some nor-testosterone. If anavar or winny or whatever is safer, then why in the world would mother nature expose fetuses and women to what is basically Deca?
BrickGirl
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the main problem with Deca in women is that when the side effects start, with other anabolics like anavar or whatnot, you can simply stop taking them and usually the sides will stop right then and are reversible, but with Deca, if your voice starts getting deeper and you notice it and stop taking it, it will continue for at least 3 more weeks in your system and will most likely be getting worse and COULD turn permanent in that situtation. I prefer something that I can stop and it be out of my system fast in case I need to for whatever reason. 
FlexManning
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BrickGirl does make a good point, that some women would be better off w/ shorter acting steroids because it would be easier for then to get immediate feedback and judge sides as they come on.
However, I would still personally recommend that women considering steroids look into using small- and I do mean small- doses of nandralones instead of fooling w/ various orals.
The problem is w/ that is- as BrickGirl sort of alluded to- how do you know how much to use? As she said, by the time you've used too much you've got more coming and can't do much about it.
(Although Deca spikes a lot faster than you think. It has a rep for lasting so long partly because it is so easy to pick up in drug tests. Think about this, meth makes you high for longer than pot but pot can be detected for longer in drug tests because THC hangs around in fatty tissue, as do long lasting steroid esters. Add to that the fact that nandralone is virtually nonexistant in anybody who is not a pregnant woman, and you have a steroid that can be detected very easily, not a steroid that is effective for a year. Deca's not all that much slower acting than cyp or enanthate IMO.)
Personally I would recommend checking out a site like anabolicextreme.com for the latest theories, or read some of LLewellyn's stuff in addition to asking questions on here.
However, I would still personally recommend that women considering steroids look into using small- and I do mean small- doses of nandralones instead of fooling w/ various orals.
The problem is w/ that is- as BrickGirl sort of alluded to- how do you know how much to use? As she said, by the time you've used too much you've got more coming and can't do much about it.
(Although Deca spikes a lot faster than you think. It has a rep for lasting so long partly because it is so easy to pick up in drug tests. Think about this, meth makes you high for longer than pot but pot can be detected for longer in drug tests because THC hangs around in fatty tissue, as do long lasting steroid esters. Add to that the fact that nandralone is virtually nonexistant in anybody who is not a pregnant woman, and you have a steroid that can be detected very easily, not a steroid that is effective for a year. Deca's not all that much slower acting than cyp or enanthate IMO.)
Personally I would recommend checking out a site like anabolicextreme.com for the latest theories, or read some of LLewellyn's stuff in addition to asking questions on here.
FlexManning
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I've always thought Bill was pretty level headed. I remember when he used to come on here. He'd make a statement for instance about gyno from deca being exaggerated, and people would flame him over and over again. "Where did you get your evidence?" "How can you say that!?" The truth is that there is very little solid evidence to work with period, save what people like Bill provide us through research.
Someone may flame me, but think about it: How many studies do you think the major pharmaceutical companies have funded to figure out the effects of various steroids on healthy bodybuilders?
All I hear on here anymore is people knocking Duchaine, Llewellyn, Borreson, Pat Arnold, etc.
They make some mistakes for exactly the reasons I've mentioned: there is little but anecdotal evidence for any of this stuff.
Could you imagine Pfizer or Searle or Upjohn, etc. sponsoring a study to contrast different steroid stacks for female bodybuilders?
Someone may flame me, but think about it: How many studies do you think the major pharmaceutical companies have funded to figure out the effects of various steroids on healthy bodybuilders?
All I hear on here anymore is people knocking Duchaine, Llewellyn, Borreson, Pat Arnold, etc.
They make some mistakes for exactly the reasons I've mentioned: there is little but anecdotal evidence for any of this stuff.
Could you imagine Pfizer or Searle or Upjohn, etc. sponsoring a study to contrast different steroid stacks for female bodybuilders?
Flexmanning: I think Bill says a lot of this stuff simply for the sake of creating controversy, as controversy sells....
take for example his idea that tamoxifen is superior to clomiphene for restoration of HPTA function post cycle. There is research supporting the superiority of clomiphene, as well as an overly abundant amount of anecdotal evidence....
take for example his idea that tamoxifen is superior to clomiphene for restoration of HPTA function post cycle. There is research supporting the superiority of clomiphene, as well as an overly abundant amount of anecdotal evidence....
ROIDRANGER
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i appreciate everyone that replied; and will check out the woman's board......the woman im talking about doesnt compete at all---just in to working out hard, shes a little spanish girl that maybe weighs 105lb and cant gain any weight or size in her thighs and butt....so she is wanting to take 50-100mg/wk
IMO deca is good for one thing - joints. It is a good choice if she wants to gain fat and water but for lean mass there are much better choices and 50mg/wk is too much to start out with. For a first cycle I would go with anavar as long as you have access to real var. Before I tried deca I would use Test cyp - just treat it with the respect it deserves and start out very slow.
Instead of deca (nandrolone decanoate - or however you spell it!) you can try Nandrolone Phenylpropinate. NP has a shorter ester, so it clears the system faster if bad sides come about. Plus, it is quite cheap for women since our doses are smaller.
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