how to avoid lethargy for next cycle

[theongreyjoy]

Hi. I finished my first cycle and pct a month ago. I'm fairly happy with the results especially the strength gains I made. I did 500cc of test cypionate only for 12 weeks. I loved the drive I had at the gym and didn't mind all of the side effects except for tiredness and lethargy throughout the day. However, I had no problems motivating myself for the gym but I didn't want to do anything else. I lacked motivation to go out, date, keep my apartment tidy, and look for jobs since I was between jobs. Also when I did start working again it felt like a real mission to get through work sometimes. I felt while I made good gains at the gym I fell behind in many other areas.

If I'm ever going to do another cycle again I don't want to experience that lack of motivation again. Is there anything I could take instead of test or stack test with something else to decrease lethargy? A friend suggested winstrol.

My stats are 30 yrs old, 192 pounds, 12% bf, 5'11

 

[dylangemelli]

test makes you feel good... not like that... did you run hcg or hcgenerate on your cycle?

 

[auslifter90]

Perhaps you should look at your diet. Were you properly rested? Training too often? What dose AI did you take?

 

[stevesmi]

lower your dosage and run cycle support supps.

what happened is you gained too much too fast on cycle and your body couldn't handle it.. as simple as that. pretty common, the trick is go into cycles peaking and in top shape. don't go into cycles weak and fraile

 

[theongreyjoy]

I didn't use HCG, HCGenerate, or an AI. Just test while I was on the cycle. I'm pretty sure my diet was spot on. Was this a possible reason for me being tired all the time? I logged everything I ate. I did 50/30/20 carbs/protein/fat and basically everything was good clean food and just gave myself a cheat meal/day once every two weeks or longer. I may have been eating a bit too much as I worked my way up to over 4000 calories a day.

It's possible I was training too hard. I was doing 3 days on 1 day off then repeat. But my workouts were short only 13 sets on legs and about 16 upper body days. Occasionally I felt like my legs needed a bit more time to recover. Upper body felt good though on that routine.

Another thing I might point out is that I started my cycle at the back end of summer here in Taiwan. There's no air con at the gyms I worked out at and it's ridiculously hot here in summer. I would get home from the gym feeling dehydrated even though I drank a lot of water and I felt like I retained a lot more water because of this. Once summer's finished it cools down quickly here and I stopped gaining weight about this time 7-8 weeks into my cycle but still continued to get stronger. I'm guessing I was losing some of the water weight. After summer I wasn't drained after my workouts but still felt just as tired through the day.

Lethargy didn't decrease until 1 to 2 weeks after my last pin so I don't think the heat played a part.

 

[selios]

what is your diet like?




Selios

 

[Petkevich]

You did 500 mg not 500 cc

 

[Petkevich]

Hopefully

 

[theongreyjoy]

Yes sorry I meant 500mg. A typical day of eating during my cycle went like this. 95% of my days were like this with some variance such as chicken instead of beef, less sweet potato more rice etc. However amount of broccoli, mushrooms, fruit would be almost the same every day. But at the end of the day my macros were the same and since I was logging on calorie count I would try to make sure I would get all my micronutrients since that site tracks that as well.

mornings
low fat milk 300g
quakers oats 100g
whey protein powder 37g
bananas 130g

midday and afternoons
brown rice 250g (measured cooked)
tuna in water 185g
egg whites x4
apple 200g

post workout
grape juice 250g
whey protein powder 37g

dinner
beef 216g
broccoli 205g
mushrooms 1 cup
olive oil 1 tbspoon
brown rice 250g

evenings after dinner
tuna in water 185g
brown rice 250g
cashews 30g
pumpkin seeds 15g
sweet potato 300g
low fat milk 250g
whey protein powder 37g

 

[bigbassturd]

Try snorting a line of Charlie before your workouts and stop being a lazy bastard.

try being blacked out for the rest of today and stop being a disrespectful bastard

 

[training700]

You should have used an ai that might have been a lot of it as well as rapid gains.

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[gangstalo]

I am experiencing something similar... I'm researching various adrenal supports at the moment.

 

[Nelson Montana]

This is why a natty PCT is the way to go. You need to get your natural hormonal levels at optimum levels, otherwise you just crash and lose your gains.

 

[theongreyjoy]

What would you recommend next time? An AI and some HCG? Any idea of the dose and type of AI? For example, if I took the same amount of test at 500mg a week. It's good to know I made some mistakes and can have a better experience next time. When I was on it and feeling lazy as hell I was thinking this shit ain't worth it.

Nelson, I did run PCT. forged post-cycle, DAA, clomid, and forma stanzol.

 

[Nelson Montana]

What would you recommend next time? An AI and some HCG? Any idea of the dose and type of AI? For example, if I took the same amount of test at 500mg a week. It's good to know I made some mistakes and can have a better experience next time. When I was on it and feeling lazy as hell I was thinking this shit ain't worth it.

Nelson, I did run PCT. forged post-cycle, DAA, clomid, and forma stanzol.

That's not really a good PCT. They're good products but not the best for PCT. The DAA is good, but forma can be suppressive. Also, UNLEASHED is a must, PF POST-CYCLE and NO CLOMID -- which alone can make you feel like shit.

 

[theongreyjoy]

That's not really a good PCT. They're good products but not the best for PCT. The DAA is good, but forma can be suppressive. Also, UNLEASHED is a must, PF POST-CYCLE and NO CLOMID -- which alone can make you feel like shit.

I left my PCT ordering a bit late and unleashed was sold out at the time. I know now to get it all well in advance. I don't want people to get sidetracked on this thread because this thread isn't about my PCT stack. It's about trying to find a solution to why I was so tired during my cycle so I won't go through that again.

 

[dylangemelli]

the no air conditioning is definitely a hindrance when working out if you are in any kind of heat... not running hcg or hcgenerate on cycle definitely hurt you because you probably had some shutdown... a strong pct is also necessary as has been advised to you...

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forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

optional
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com[/FONT]

 

[theongreyjoy]

the no air conditioning is definitely a hindrance when working out if you are in any kind of heat... not running hcg or hcgenerate on cycle definitely hurt you because you probably had some shutdown... a strong pct is also necessary as has been advised to you...

Would hcg or hcgenerate help with lethargy?

 

[1Johnboy]

HCgenerate should def help with lethargy

 

[dylangemelli]

Would hcg or hcgenerate help with lethargy?

Yes... when you get shutdown, you are going to have the symptoms you are talking about... you will have a much more difficult pct as well... you should be using them both

 

[theongreyjoy]

Ok thanks. I was thinking about never doing another cycle of test again since I thought that the lethargy was normal. Also I wasn't that happy with my gains after I felt I trained and ate really well and at one point was really depressed about it. But reading this has made me really keen to do another one and make sure I get everything in order such as HCG, an AI and my PCT. Also I won't be doing another one in the middle of summer here. It's way too hot here and I know that did affect my gains.

 

[-SD-]

Check your bloodwork for estrogen levels, if they are too out of whack that could cause lethargy

 

[stevesmi]

Check your bloodwork for estrogen levels, if they are too out of whack that could cause lethargy

yes this is one of the factors affecting your lethargy.

if you are bloated that will put strain on your heart health and make you feel blah.

i don't agree that this has anything to do with being suppressed or any of that, atleast right now deep into cycle. its simply you gaining too much too fast and putting too much strain on your lipids. as simple as that.. even someone in top shape can have this hit them hard.

this typically happens to guys who are far below their genetic potential who blowup big. reading the forums and seeing newbs gain 20-30 pounds on a cycle is a head scratcher. how could you not expect to feel lethargic doing that? i don't care if its fat or water or even muscle.. putting on weight fast like that is gonna fuck your heart up i don't care how good a shape you are in !!