How nessisary is HCG

[asianlover]

if i cant get my hands on any and just use nolva and clomid for ptc, how much of a difrence will it make. is there anything i can use instead like another product or running the clomid longer or at a higher dose. i will be doing 10 or 12 week of test enth at 500mg with some dbol at the beginning and possible at the end.

 

[krishna]

You'll have a longer recovery, but you will recover eventually with clomid and nolva. I, personally, am not doing anything without HCG.

 

[buffalo]

Plenty of people don't use hcg. Like krishna said it might just take longer to get back to normal. If you don't mind that don't worry about it.

 

[asianlover]

should i do nolva/clomid ptc longer than 3 weeks if i dont have hcg

 

[buffalo]

I usually only use nolva for 3 weeks. Every one responds different though.

 

[NYBodyguard]

novla and clomid should be fine but hcg is real good, novla targets gyno well

 

[beefcake28]

I wouldn't do a cycle without HCG at the end, but that is just me. It will help you recover faster and preserve some of the muscle gained while on cycle. Besides, it is cheap and fairly easy to get...

 

[2ez]

Nothing to add here on HCG...



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[needsize]

any cycle over 8 weeks its really in your best interests to use it throughout the cycle

 

[Maxx Out]

if i cant get my hands on any and just use nolva and clomid for ptc, how much of a difrence will it make. is there anything i can use instead like another product or running the clomid longer or at a higher dose. i will be doing 10 or 12 week of test enth at 500mg with some dbol at the beginning and possible at the end.

I've always used clomid and nolvadex for pct for as long as I remember and never had these terrible horror stories that people talk about.

U'll be fine bro!

 

[lefler]

Nothing to add here on HCG...



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[slat1]

I will not use any AAS unless I already have HCG/clomid on hand.

 

[ElMatador]

HCG or Clomid for your PCT...

 

[Slydog]

any cycle over 8 weeks its really in your best interests to use it throughout the cycle

Completely agree here. When using this threopy recovery is much faster and easier than just using Nolva/Clomid.

 

[asianlover]

the problem is i want to go with a domestic source of wich i only have 2. one has better prices but dosent carry hcg, the other has a pretty steep order minimum. if i go with the first one i could save a couple hundred bucks. thats why i was asking about the hcg.

 

[Maetenloch]

Based on SWALE's protocols and other's experiences, I would consider HCG to be absolutely critical for PCT. Remember the goal is to get your body's test production back up as soon as possible. HCG will keep your testicles capables of producing testosterone throughout the cycle. Clomid and nolva will prevent estrogen rebound effects and HPTA inhibition (and promote test recovery through LH and FSH to a certain degree), but nothing is as good as HCG.

 

[littleb]

I never used hcg before, only nolva/clomid, and my recovery's sucked.. i start my cycle sat. and i got my hcg to give it a shot this time. bottom line is if it helps dish out the$$$ for it ... nothing worse then watching hard earned muscle slip away

 

[Slyder190]

It was like night and day for me where post-cycle was concerned. I always used Clomid/Nolva in the past and still crashed pretty hard after my cycles. Since I started using HCG, I've avoided any hard crashes thus far. I only use it the last 3-4 of a cycle though, not throughout.

 

[asianlover]

fuck it im just gonna go ahead and spend the extra cash, i guess it will be worth it if i can make the most out of my first cycle.

 

[LVTitan]

You'll have a longer recovery, but you will recover eventually with clomid and nolva. I, personally, am not doing anything without HCG.

one of the very few times me and krishna see differently.
i'm not a big fan of hcg . only makes me break out worse post cycle.
i never lose size in my sack while on, and clomid is a no no for me,so it's nolva pct only here .

 

[krishna]

one of the very few times me and krishna see differently.
i'm not a big fan of hcg . only makes me break out worse post cycle.
i never lose size in my sack while on, and clomid is a no no for me,so it's nolva pct only here .

Do you break out more than gear?

 

[asianlover]

hey LV nice job flaming that ass galawman. tried to give you K for that but i couldnt. gotta spead it around

 

[Excidium28]

one of the very few times me and krishna see differently.
i'm not a big fan of hcg . only makes me break out worse post cycle.
i never lose size in my sack while on, and clomid is a no no for me,so it's nolva pct only here .

I dont understand why HCG would make you break out?

 

[LVTitan]

Do you break out more than gear?

i dont break out on gear, i only break out after a cycle is over.
but seems like my acne was way worse after last cycle, and i did the whole pct thing.

wasnt sure if it was the clomid/nolva/hcg, but earlier this year i shot some hcg during my primo cycle to see what it would do, and my skin got shitty

 

[LVTitan]

I dont understand why HCG would make you break out?

not sure why either, but i've heard others complain of the same thing.

 

[wayneboard1]

not sure why either, but i've heard others complain of the same thing.

So how long does this last (ballpark) and are there any special things you can do to reduce the acne or clear it up besides the typical one related to gear?

 

[krishna]

i dont break out on gear, i only break out after a cycle is over.
but seems like my acne was way worse after last cycle, and i did the whole pct thing.

wasnt sure if it was the clomid/nolva/hcg, but earlier this year i shot some hcg during my primo cycle to see what it would do, and my skin got shitty

You don't even break out on test? All HCG does is raise your natural test levels back up mainly. If test doesn't make you break out, I don't see why HCG would. I bet it has something to do with PCT and hormones readjusting.

 

[LVTitan]

hey LV nice job flaming that ass galawman. tried to give you K for that but i couldnt. gotta spead it around

had to be done...

 

[LVTitan]

You don't even break out on test? All HCG does is raise your natural test levels back up mainly. If test doesn't make you break out, I don't see why HCG would. I bet it has something to do with PCT and hormones readjusting.

yes, the fluctuating hormones, if i stay on , i stay clear. if i miss a shot, i will start breaking out till i take another one.