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How Muscles Get Big
by Thomas D. Fahey, EdD


The Latest Research on Muscle Hypertrophy

How do you get big muscles? How many sets are best? Can you cut fat without losing muscle? Is it possible to have a Mr. Olympia body without taking anabolic drugs? Are you taking in enough protein or calories, or are you taking in too much? Should you train one more day a week or are you training too much? Is a weight program designed for football players okay for bodybuilders?


If you can't answer these questions, you're not training systematically. Great coaches say you must be a student of your sport. If you want to achieve your goals, you should have a good reason for everything you include in your training program, diet and supplement regimen. Growing muscles- making them hypertrophy- is central to all bodybuilding programs. Effective bodybuilders must understand muscle hypertrophy and how to make it work at full speed.


Fifty years ago, the physiology of muscle hypertrophy (growth) was a mystery. A common perception among many athletes and coaches was that training turns fat into muscle. Scientists didn't have the tools to study muscle growth; the technology wasn't available. That changed in the 1960s and ‘70s- the development of the electron microscope, muscle biopsy techniques and radioactive tracers allowed scientists to look inside the muscle. Now, we know that increasing muscle strength and size involves turning on special genes to manufacture new muscle tissue and training the nervous system to better coordinate and regulate muscle force.
We understand how muscles get larger and have effective techniques for gaining muscle mass with less risk of injury and over-training.


How the Body Builds Muscle


About 20 percent of muscle is protein- the rest is water. Muscles are made up of individual muscle cells connected in bundles. Muscle fibers contain sub-units called myofibrils that are further divided into myofilaments (actin and myosin) that slide across each other to cause muscle contraction. One of the goals of your weight-training program should be to increase the size of muscle fibers by increasing the number of myofibrils, a process called hypertrophy. Most studies show that weight training increases fiber size- not fiber number. Muscle size and strength are directly related- the larger the muscle, the greater its strength.


Cell Structures called Genes Regulate Protein Synthesis


In muscle, genes control the kind and amounts of proteins the cells make. Also, they control the rate that proteins break down. There is even a gene (myostatin) that prevents muscles from getting too large. Muscles get bigger by increasing the number of myofibrils. In other words, muscles increase in size by adding protein. As muscles add myofibrils, strength increases. The more myofibrils added to the muscle, the greater the increase in strength. Also, muscles get denser with training because the fiber alignment inside the muscles gets steeper.


Protein Synthesis


The muscle cell nucleus is the control center for protein production. Muscle cells have many nuclei, so they have a high capacity to produce new proteins. Proteins are made from Amino Acids on cell structures called ribosomes. The nucleus sends a message to the ribosomes telling them exactly how to arrange the Amino Acids to form a specific protein. The cells manufacture other proteins, such as enzymes. Enzymes play important roles in cell function and physical performance. Many factors influence protein production in muscle, including muscle tension, hormones, amino acid availability and diet.


Muscle Tension

Muscle tension is the most important factor in making muscle fibers larger. Muscle tension developed during intense weight training exercise turns on cell receptors (called force sensitive-responsive elements) that trigger the genes to manufacture new muscle protein. Tension also triggers the cells to move more Amino Acids inside the cell membrane. The faster Amino Acids move into the muscle, the greater the rate of protein synthesis. In other words, muscle tension stimulates the genes to make new proteins and helps supply the Amino Acids to carry out the process.

The major principle of making muscles big is simple: Load muscles as intensely and for as long as you can without causing injury.



Muscle Fiber Contraction Speed (myosin isoforms)

Muscle cells cause contraction when the myosin filaments bind and release from actin filaments. Scientists, such as Ken Baldwin from the University of California, Irvine, discovered that some myosin filaments move faster than others. The different varieties of myosin are called isoforms. Myosin becomes slower with any kind of training- this slows the rate that muscles contract. Weight training, for example, changes the fastest myosin isoforms into slower ones. Endurance exercise, such as jogging, makes the myosin even slower. Muscles improve efficiency when they slow down myosin cycling rates- they can produce more force with less effort. This adaptation is much like the lower heart rate you get with improved fitness- the heart pumps more blood with a lower heart rate, so the heart doesn't have to work as hard. Likewise, fitness allows the muscles to produce more force with less work.


Anabolic Hormones

The most important hormones that build muscle tissue include growth hormone, insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1), testosterone and insulin. These trigger the genes to increase protein synthesis and let more Amino Acids into the cells.


Hormones and muscle tension have independent effects on the genes

High doses of testosterone will trigger increases in muscle size in people, even if they don't lift weights. Insulin also speeds the movement of Amino Acids into muscle cells. Most Amino Acids enter muscle cells via a process called the sodium pump. Insulin speeds the action of the sodium pump and increases the rate of amino acid transport into the cell. This is critical for muscle growth- the more Amino Acids transported into the muscle cell, the greater the rate of muscle hypertrophy. Anabolic hormones work together. For example, taking large doses of testosterone will boost the amount of the muscle-building hormone IGF-1. You get a double whammy- both testosterone and IGF-1 boost muscle size.


Catabolic Hormones

Corticosteroids and thyroid hormone- produced by the adrenal glands and thyroid gland, respectively- break down protein. Blood levels of these hormones increase during times of stress or tissue inflammation. They increase after a hard workout or during periods of overtraining. When you have over-trained, your blood level of these hormones will rise and your level of testosterone will fall. If you are in a catabolic state- gains in muscle size are impossible. One of the effects of anabolic steroids may be to block the action of corticosteroids, which prevents muscle breakdown and speeds recovery after intense workouts.


Protein in the Diet

Optimal amino acid transport requires an adequate concentration of Amino Acids in the blood and muscles. Usually, this is not a problem. Most athletes take in more than enough protein in their diets to supply their muscles' growth needs. During times of heavy training, extensive soft tissue injury, or overtraining, amino acid concentration may not be adequate. Energy intake is also important. If you do not take in enough calories, your body will break down its structural proteins for energy.

Timing high-protein meals is critical for muscle hypertrophy. Recent studies show that taking a protein supplement before you exercise will speed protein synthesis and muscle hypertrophy. During weight training, your muscles get flooded with blood. This blood helps saturate the muscles with Amino Acids, which helps your muscles grow. Get in the habit of taking a protein supplement before you train. This technique works; do it consistently and you will make faster gains in muscle size.


The "Ups and Downs" of Training

As any active person can tell you, training does not lead to continuous gains in fitness or muscle size. Muscle size increases for a while, then levels off, and sometimes regresses. One reason for this is protein turnover- the constant buildup and breakdown of structural proteins. If you provide the optimal training environment for the muscles (i.e., good muscle tension during training and ideal concentrations of anabolic hormones and Amino Acids), then your muscles will tend to grow. You are in an anabolic or growing phase.

If training and nutritional considerations are not optimal, then training gains will be less, or you may actually lose ground.

The goal of your training program should be to stay anabolic and avoid catabolic downturns. Optimize tension in your workout by using cycles. Intense workouts increase muscle size. However, you must be adequately rested to train intensely. If you exhaust yourself every time you go into the weight room, you will never recover enough to train hard. On the other hand, muscles grow best when you load them significantly for a long time. So, you must balance exhaustive training with rest. Quality of the training stimulus is the key to maximizing protein synthesis in muscle. Design your program so you set yourself up for intense workouts.


Using Science to Build Bigger Muscles

The key to promoting hypertrophy is to load the muscles with high-tension exercise, provide adequate nutrients, optimize anabolic hormone levels and don't overtrain.
Your goal as a bodybuilder is to increase muscle size- not to power clean or bench press big weights, hit a tennis ball further, or run faster. Focus on muscle tension in your workouts. Do multiple sets of eight to 12 reps and push yourself. Muscles hypertrophy in response to high tension that's applied for a long time. As Arnold said in his first movie Stay Hungry, "You must burn to grow."
Muscles won't grow if they don't have enough protein and calories available. Eat about 1.5 grams of protein per kilogram body weight per day. Timing is important- drink a high protein shake containing about 50 grams of protein before you lift. This makes the Amino Acids from the proteins available for muscle growth. Weight training increases muscle blood flow. Taking the supplement before you train will ensure that plenty of Amino Acids reach the muscles. Also, immediately after training, take a protein/carb drink, which can enhance recovery and promote a more anabolic hormonal environment in muscle.
Anabolic hormones promote growth. If you don't take steroids, maximize your natural testosterone and growth hormone levels by eating a well-balanced diet containing adequate amounts of protein, and get plenty of rest. If you choose to use anabolic steroids, take enough so that you exceed natural levels of the hormone. Your testosterone system shuts down when you take steroids, which will leave you with only low levels of expensive store-bought testosterone in your blood if you don't take enough.
Include rest in your program. Muscles grow during recovery. If you don't take time to recover, your muscles won't grow enough and you will be so tired that you won't be able to train hard during your next workout. Don't rest too much- tension and hard work are the keys to building large muscles.
 
Thanks Holy for this info. All good. Yeah I think we sometimes got to leave the ego at home when we go down to the gym. I have been caught up mainly in the 6-8 rep range on my lifts but are starting to believe there is a lot to be gained by getting up into volume workouts & continuous tension on the working muscle group. I have been playing around with this over the last few weeks & have made some good growth in, for one, my calf size. I have been doing 75's & increasing the rep range right out on up to 4 different calf exercises. Although it takes me about 20 mins to go through this routine, I have noticed some good muscle size coming in.
 
holy ghost said:
How Muscles Get Big
by Thomas D. Fahey, EdD

Great piece. Thanks Ghost.
 
holy ghost said:
How Muscles Get Big
by Thomas D. Fahey, EdD


The Latest Research on Muscle Hypertrophy

How do you get big muscles? How many sets are best? Can you cut fat without losing muscle? Is it possible to have a Mr. Olympia body without taking anabolic drugs? Are you taking in enough protein or calories, or are you taking in too much? Should you train one more day a week or are you training too much? Is a weight program designed for football players okay for bodybuilders?


If you can't answer these questions, you're not training systematically. Great coaches say you must be a student of your sport. If you want to achieve your goals, you should have a good reason for everything you include in your training program, diet and supplement regimen. Growing muscles- making them hypertrophy- is central to all bodybuilding programs. Effective bodybuilders must understand muscle hypertrophy and how to make it work at full speed.


Fifty years ago, the physiology of muscle hypertrophy (growth) was a mystery. A common perception among many athletes and coaches was that training turns fat into muscle. Scientists didn't have the tools to study muscle growth; the technology wasn't available. That changed in the 1960s and ‘70s- the development of the electron microscope, muscle biopsy techniques and radioactive tracers allowed scientists to look inside the muscle. Now, we know that increasing muscle strength and size involves turning on special genes to manufacture new muscle tissue and training the nervous system to better coordinate and regulate muscle force.
We understand how muscles get larger and have effective techniques for gaining muscle mass with less risk of injury and over-training.


How the Body Builds Muscle


About 20 percent of muscle is protein- the rest is water. Muscles are made up of individual muscle cells connected in bundles. Muscle fibers contain sub-units called myofibrils that are further divided into myofilaments (actin and myosin) that slide across each other to cause muscle contraction. One of the goals of your weight-training program should be to increase the size of muscle fibers by increasing the number of myofibrils, a process called hypertrophy. Most studies show that weight training increases fiber size- not fiber number. Muscle size and strength are directly related- the larger the muscle, the greater its strength.


Cell Structures called Genes Regulate Protein Synthesis


In muscle, genes control the kind and amounts of proteins the cells make. Also, they control the rate that proteins break down. There is even a gene (myostatin) that prevents muscles from getting too large. Muscles get bigger by increasing the number of myofibrils. In other words, muscles increase in size by adding protein. As muscles add myofibrils, strength increases. The more myofibrils added to the muscle, the greater the increase in strength. Also, muscles get denser with training because the fiber alignment inside the muscles gets steeper.


Protein Synthesis


The muscle cell nucleus is the control center for protein production. Muscle cells have many nuclei, so they have a high capacity to produce new proteins. Proteins are made from Amino Acids on cell structures called ribosomes. The nucleus sends a message to the ribosomes telling them exactly how to arrange the Amino Acids to form a specific protein. The cells manufacture other proteins, such as enzymes. Enzymes play important roles in cell function and physical performance. Many factors influence protein production in muscle, including muscle tension, hormones, amino acid availability and diet.


Muscle Tension

Muscle tension is the most important factor in making muscle fibers larger. Muscle tension developed during intense weight training exercise turns on cell receptors (called force sensitive-responsive elements) that trigger the genes to manufacture new muscle protein. Tension also triggers the cells to move more Amino Acids inside the cell membrane. The faster Amino Acids move into the muscle, the greater the rate of protein synthesis. In other words, muscle tension stimulates the genes to make new proteins and helps supply the Amino Acids to carry out the process.

The major principle of making muscles big is simple: Load muscles as intensely and for as long as you can without causing injury.



Muscle Fiber Contraction Speed (myosin isoforms)

Muscle cells cause contraction when the myosin filaments bind and release from actin filaments. Scientists, such as Ken Baldwin from the University of California, Irvine, discovered that some myosin filaments move faster than others. The different varieties of myosin are called isoforms. Myosin becomes slower with any kind of training- this slows the rate that muscles contract. Weight training, for example, changes the fastest myosin isoforms into slower ones. Endurance exercise, such as jogging, makes the myosin even slower. Muscles improve efficiency when they slow down myosin cycling rates- they can produce more force with less effort. This adaptation is much like the lower heart rate you get with improved fitness- the heart pumps more blood with a lower heart rate, so the heart doesn't have to work as hard. Likewise, fitness allows the muscles to produce more force with less work.


Anabolic Hormones

The most important hormones that build muscle tissue include growth hormone, insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1), testosterone and insulin. These trigger the genes to increase protein synthesis and let more Amino Acids into the cells.


Hormones and muscle tension have independent effects on the genes

High doses of testosterone will trigger increases in muscle size in people, even if they don't lift weights. Insulin also speeds the movement of Amino Acids into muscle cells. Most Amino Acids enter muscle cells via a process called the sodium pump. Insulin speeds the action of the sodium pump and increases the rate of amino acid transport into the cell. This is critical for muscle growth- the more Amino Acids transported into the muscle cell, the greater the rate of muscle hypertrophy. Anabolic hormones work together. For example, taking large doses of testosterone will boost the amount of the muscle-building hormone IGF-1. You get a double whammy- both testosterone and IGF-1 boost muscle size.


Catabolic Hormones

Corticosteroids and thyroid hormone- produced by the adrenal glands and thyroid gland, respectively- break down protein. Blood levels of these hormones increase during times of stress or tissue inflammation. They increase after a hard workout or during periods of overtraining. When you have over-trained, your blood level of these hormones will rise and your level of testosterone will fall. If you are in a catabolic state- gains in muscle size are impossible. One of the effects of anabolic steroids may be to block the action of corticosteroids, which prevents muscle breakdown and speeds recovery after intense workouts.


Protein in the Diet

Optimal amino acid transport requires an adequate concentration of Amino Acids in the blood and muscles. Usually, this is not a problem. Most athletes take in more than enough protein in their diets to supply their muscles' growth needs. During times of heavy training, extensive soft tissue injury, or overtraining, amino acid concentration may not be adequate. Energy intake is also important. If you do not take in enough calories, your body will break down its structural proteins for energy.

Timing high-protein meals is critical for muscle hypertrophy. Recent studies show that taking a protein supplement before you exercise will speed protein synthesis and muscle hypertrophy. During weight training, your muscles get flooded with blood. This blood helps saturate the muscles with Amino Acids, which helps your muscles grow. Get in the habit of taking a protein supplement before you train. This technique works; do it consistently and you will make faster gains in muscle size.


The "Ups and Downs" of Training

As any active person can tell you, training does not lead to continuous gains in fitness or muscle size. Muscle size increases for a while, then levels off, and sometimes regresses. One reason for this is protein turnover- the constant buildup and breakdown of structural proteins. If you provide the optimal training environment for the muscles (i.e., good muscle tension during training and ideal concentrations of anabolic hormones and Amino Acids), then your muscles will tend to grow. You are in an anabolic or growing phase.

If training and nutritional considerations are not optimal, then training gains will be less, or you may actually lose ground.

The goal of your training program should be to stay anabolic and avoid catabolic downturns. Optimize tension in your workout by using cycles. Intense workouts increase muscle size. However, you must be adequately rested to train intensely. If you exhaust yourself every time you go into the weight room, you will never recover enough to train hard. On the other hand, muscles grow best when you load them significantly for a long time. So, you must balance exhaustive training with rest. Quality of the training stimulus is the key to maximizing protein synthesis in muscle. Design your program so you set yourself up for intense workouts.


Using Science to Build Bigger Muscles

The key to promoting hypertrophy is to load the muscles with high-tension exercise, provide adequate nutrients, optimize anabolic hormone levels and don't overtrain.
Your goal as a bodybuilder is to increase muscle size- not to power clean or bench press big weights, hit a tennis ball further, or run faster. Focus on muscle tension in your workouts. Do multiple sets of eight to 12 reps and push yourself. Muscles hypertrophy in response to high tension that's applied for a long time. As Arnold said in his first movie Stay Hungry, "You must burn to grow."
Muscles won't grow if they don't have enough protein and calories available. Eat about 1.5 grams of protein per kilogram body weight per day. Timing is important- drink a high protein shake containing about 50 grams of protein before you lift. This makes the Amino Acids from the proteins available for muscle growth. Weight training increases muscle blood flow. Taking the supplement before you train will ensure that plenty of Amino Acids reach the muscles. Also, immediately after training, take a protein/carb drink, which can enhance recovery and promote a more anabolic hormonal environment in muscle.
Anabolic hormones promote growth. If you don't take steroids, maximize your natural testosterone and growth hormone levels by eating a well-balanced diet containing adequate amounts of protein, and get plenty of rest. If you choose to use anabolic steroids, take enough so that you exceed natural levels of the hormone. Your testosterone system shuts down when you take steroids, which will leave you with only low levels of expensive store-bought testosterone in your blood if you don't take enough.
Include rest in your program. Muscles grow during recovery. If you don't take time to recover, your muscles won't grow enough and you will be so tired that you won't be able to train hard during your next workout. Don't rest too much- tension and hard work are the keys to building large muscles.




Good read, Dr Ghost...Quite thorough and informative?...

Back on the chronic, G? Sniffin' glue?

Or did Yo momma write this for you? :lmao:
 
holy ghost said:
Muscles won't grow if they don't have enough protein and calories available. Eat about 1.5 grams of protein per kilogram body weight per day.

I'd be surprised if anyone's muscles grew on that little protein! If they did they'd be a genetic freak like Flex Wheeler or Paul Dillet.

According to this, if you're 200 lbs, you should be eating about 135 grams of protein a day to "grow" your muscles.

Bullshit.
 
holy ghost said:
I agree with you. SIFT through the bs.

This is just the basics brothermuscle!

how about this little gem...

holy ghost said:
Your goal as a bodybuilder is to increase muscle size- not to power clean or bench press big weights...

lol...yeah, cuz everyone knows those guys that can clean and bench big weights are skinny little know-nothings. Those powerlifters who just move big weights can't possibly EVER become BIG bodybuilders (Ronnie Coleman and Johnnie Jackson are two of the smallest guys I've seen after all).

Show me a guy who can bench 500, squat 800, and dead 700, and I will show you one BIG motherfucker!!!
 
yeah its almost GONE

Doxycycline is a LIFE saver

Youre right about a lot of things CEO, this was not written by me as described.

Save the Sarcasm for someone elses thread.
 
holy ghost said:
yeah its almost GONE

Doxycycline is a LIFE saver

Youre right about a lot of things CEO, this was not written by me as described.

Save the Sarcasm for someone elses thread.

Ok, no sarcasm...I'll just tell it like I see it. The recommendations in the article are shit.

It is a decent basic read and would have been MUCH better if the author would've left out the last part of the article entitled "Using Science to Build Bigger Muscles" - where he makes his shit recommendations.

Everything else is a good layman's read. And that is the truth.
 
I am with you in your opinion big bro

Yes it is just laymans terms.

Whats up with the whiteboy in your AVA sayin the N bomb lol
 
holy ghost said:
I am with you in your opinion big bro

Yes it is just laymans terms.

Whats up with the whiteboy in your AVA sayin the N bomb lol

That's Pope John Paul II, bro. May he R.I.P.
 
ceo said:
how about this little gem...



lol...yeah, cuz everyone knows those guys that can clean and bench big weights are skinny little know-nothings. Those powerlifters who just move big weights can't possibly EVER become BIG bodybuilders (Ronnie Coleman and Johnnie Jackson are two of the smallest guys I've seen after all).

Show me a guy who can bench 500, squat 800, and dead 700, and I will show you one BIG motherfucker!!!

eddie robbinson held some heafty records
he set that record back in 1985 i think it was pressed like squatted 825lbs
then benched 525lbs at a weight of 203 lbs 5'8
But eddie looked fairly small in 1985 barley over 200lbs

It was not untill eddie incorporated bodybuilding into his powelifting routines doing sets of 8-12 that he packed on massive muscle to blow up to 220lbs and so on.that and large amounts of steroids.

I personally seen large guys massive monsters not press alot of weight.
In discussion with a very large fellow he claimed his big lifts were nothing more then ego boosters and destroyed the cartlidge in his shoulders and knees.But he is still large .He trains bench press with dumbells
he press 150lbs dumbless (300lbs ) he claimed he used to bench over 500lbs and saw not extra benitfit from the added wight on a barbell other then the stress it cuased on the wrist and joints.
same with squats he claimed to see no benifit from squating 700 lbs for 1-2 reps he said the same thing lower weight at 8-12 reps is what makes the muscles grow.

I know different people have opinions on the super human strenght that some people have or dont have.

i thinks the best thing to do is push it as far as you can to make gains but dont risk injury by using bad form for a few reps that might due damage in the long run.

I fiber cycle ,hitting first week 4-6 reps ,second week 6-8 reps, third week 8-10,fourth week 10- 15 reps
I really notice fiber cycling seems to bring out cuts,shape,definition and by the time the fourth week comes along you drop back down starting over at the 4-6 rep range to stimulate white fibers to keep muscle mass growing.

Also from what I have heard a few guys on here have trained along side of jay cutler when he is offseason at 320lbs and claim for his weight he is not very strong pound per pound.They also claim jay sticks in the 8-12 range also.
I guess its different strokes for different folks.
 
CHAZ BRO THAT POST IS PRICELESS

HERES SOME K. +++

i am a shining example about injuries.

very interesteing workout approach
 
holy ghost said:
CHAZ BRO THAT POST IS PRICELESS

HERES SOME K. +++

i am a shining example about injuries.

very interesteing workout approach
thanks HG
I really like the thread alot.
every time people ask about gaining weight it always turns into them asking about steroids.
I am glad to see threads like this post telling how muscles work how they rebuild and why protien is so important.
some people over look the basics when in fact the basics are really just that so eazy and basic they get over looked.
thanks for the k and some back at ya
 
chazk said:
eddie robbinson held some heafty records
he set that record back in 1985 i think it was pressed like squatted 825lbs
then benched 525lbs at a weight of 203 lbs 5'8
But eddie looked fairly small in 1985 barley over 200lbs

It was not untill eddie incorporated bodybuilding into his powelifting routines doing sets of 8-12 that he packed on massive muscle to blow up to 220lbs and so on.that and large amounts of steroids.

I personally seen large guys massive monsters not press alot of weight.
In discussion with a very large fellow he claimed his big lifts were nothing more then ego boosters and destroyed the cartlidge in his shoulders and knees.But he is still large .He trains bench press with dumbells
he press 150lbs dumbless (300lbs ) he claimed he used to bench over 500lbs and saw not extra benitfit from the added wight on a barbell other then the stress it cuased on the wrist and joints.
same with squats he claimed to see no benifit from squating 700 lbs for 1-2 reps he said the same thing lower weight at 8-12 reps is what makes the muscles grow.

I know different people have opinions on the super human strenght that some people have or dont have.

i thinks the best thing to do is push it as far as you can to make gains but dont risk injury by using bad form for a few reps that might due damage in the long run.

I fiber cycle ,hitting first week 4-6 reps ,second week 6-8 reps, third week 8-10,fourth week 10- 15 reps
I really notice fiber cycling seems to bring out cuts,shape,definition and by the time the fourth week comes along you drop back down starting over at the 4-6 rep range to stimulate white fibers to keep muscle mass growing.

Also from what I have heard a few guys on here have trained along side of jay cutler when he is offseason at 320lbs and claim for his weight he is not very strong pound per pound.They also claim jay sticks in the 8-12 range also.
I guess its different strokes for different folks.

"My career took off like a rocket in 1986 when I took a world record in the bench press at 5'8 and 220 pounds; I had pressed 575 and 610 pounds ranking me number one in the world." - Eddie Robinson

source:http://www.eddierobinson.org/bio/bio.html

5'8" at 220 is pretty stout, and he was 19, and did it RAW - he was wearing a cotton t-shirt and not a bench shirt. He was 220 in 84 and 85 too. He competed at 225-ish later on.

Eddie advocates lifting heavy with good form and training "instinctively," which he catagorizes as (paraphrasing), if you feel good, go all out, if you're feeling wek just do lighter weights with for reps, if you don't feel like training that day, don't (essentialy a selective random periodization). He believes this is your body telling you what it wants. He says it is better to be undertrained than overtrained and cautions against overtraining. --I agree with him on all this. Safety first.

It's better to go light on an off day and come back to kill the weights another day than push yourself to go heavy on an off day and get injured. However, I would say it's better yet to have a plan and stick to it as much as possible and try to beat the logbook by either adding weight or reps each w/o, but progressively adding weight until you get as strong as possible on that exercise. Going all out for 4-6 or 8 weeks then backing off a bit for 1-2 weeks (lighter weight to give your body a bit of a break), then all out again.

I'm not necessarily advocating a powerlifting style workout for a bb'er, but it sure wouldn't hurt to start there. Look at Ronnie, he had a plifting background before he came to bb'ing, and he is the thickest mofo on stage. He was thick before he touched anabolics! The thickest muscled guys up there (O stage) 9 times out of 10 have plifting backgrounds. Plifting provides a great base to build on. It worked great for Eddie, he had a great physique!
 
ceo said:
"My career took off like a rocket in 1986 when I took a world record in the bench press at 5'8 and 220 pounds; I had pressed 575 and 610 pounds ranking me number one in the world." - Eddie Robinson

source:http://www.eddierobinson.org/bio/bio.html

5'8" at 220 is pretty stout, and he was 19, and did it RAW - he was wearing a cotton t-shirt and not a bench shirt. He was 220 in 84 and 85 too. He competed at 225-ish later on.

Eddie advocates lifting heavy with good form and training "instinctively," which he catagorizes as (paraphrasing), if you feel good, go all out, if you're feeling wek just do lighter weights with for reps, if you don't feel like training that day, don't (essentialy a selective random periodization). He believes this is your body telling you what it wants. He says it is better to be undertrained than overtrained and cautions against overtraining. --I agree with him on all this. Safety first.

It's better to go light on an off day and come back to kill the weights another day than push yourself to go heavy on an off day and get injured. However, I would say it's better yet to have a plan and stick to it as much as possible and try to beat the logbook by either adding weight or reps each w/o, but progressively adding weight until you get as strong as possible on that exercise. Going all out for 4-6 or 8 weeks then backing off a bit for 1-2 weeks (lighter weight to give your body a bit of a break), then all out again.

I'm not necessarily advocating a powerlifting style workout for a bb'er, but it sure wouldn't hurt to start there. Look at Ronnie, he had a plifting background before he came to bb'ing, and he is the thickest mofo on stage. He was thick before he touched anabolics! The thickest muscled guys up there (O stage) 9 times out of 10 have plifting backgrounds. Plifting provides a great base to build on. It worked great for Eddie, he had a great physique!
I was talking about eddie at the buckeye strong man contest when he weighed 203 back in 1985 for the 525 press and 825 squat.
his weight was low due to dieting down before a local bodybuilding show
I think it was the mr tampa show but he decided not to compete opting to put on more mass and make his npc debut.In 1986 but still bulked up to power lift.But at that meet he was only 203
I live in the tampa/st pete /clearwater area.
I have trained at the golds in clearwater with hulk hogan,macho man,eddie robinson only seeing eddie one time around 2001 weighing around 250lbs about 15 %bf .One time they had a display becuase eddie was teaching a personal training class .In a case was news paper clippings ,throphys and medals.
with a life history and Bio. The comp score card from 1985 said 203 lbs .I'll see if i can find any info online about that lift .becuase it was those stats that drew national attention 525 and 825 breaking the southeast records for teens and juniors in a strong man meet.
then later he smashed his own record like you mentioned pressing 610lbs
prob becuase he was 17lbs heavier (220lbs )like you mentoned

he won the mr america then joined the WBF and it killed him .When the wfb was over and he went to iffb contest weider never gave him great marks and it ruined him.

But yes your right eddie was a think dude even when he won mr teen tampa in the early 80s like at age 16 he was impressive.
never the less holy wanted to see a example of a guy that benched ,squatted some serious weight and was not the size of coleman or markus rhul.
So I went with the exact opposite of what he was looking for and pulled eddie "powerhouse "robinson out of the bag of tricks to show back in 1985 some one at around 200lbs at 5'8 could pull off just as big if not bigger lifts(525 press and 825 squat) then someone that weighs 280lbs- 300lbs

eddie is alocal legend around here.I dont know how much of it is true.
But he has been said to arm wrestle a guy and break his wrist .lift up a harley davidsion and carry it across and parking lot,even squatted 900lbs (but it was not a official lift)heard at shepherd on the pass (a local bar in clearwater)
he picked up two men one in ear arm and escorted them out of the bar and then 3 other guys jumped him .he had 5 guys attacking him and he just stood thier dodging punches and pushing them off him , he went into the bar grabbed a pitcher of beer chugged it infront of them and told them they better leave and if they dont he was going to hurt them.
They all left.
 
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I was talking about eddie at the buckeye strong man contest when he weighed 203 back in 1985 for the 525 press and 825 squat.
his weight was low due to dieting down before a local bodybuilding show
I think it was the mr tampa show but he decided not to compete opting to put on more mass and make his npc debut.In 1986 but still bulked up to power lift.But at that meet he was only 203
I live in the tampa/st pete /clearwater area.
I have trained at the golds in clearwater with hulk hogan,macho man,eddie robinson only seeing eddie one time around 2001 weighing around 250lbs about 15 %bf .One time they had a display becuase eddie was teaching a personal training class .In a case was news paper clippings ,throphys and medals.
with a life history and Bio. The comp score card from 1985 said 203 lbs .I'll see if i can find any info online about that lift .becuase it was those stats that drew national attention 525 and 825 breaking the southeast records for teens and juniors in a strong man meet.
then later he smashed his own record like you mentioned pressing 610lbs
prob becuase he was 17lbs heavier (220lbs )like you mentoned

he won the mr america then joined the WBF and it killed him .When the wfb was over and he went to iffb contest weider never gave him great marks and it ruined him.

But yes your right eddie was a think dude even when he won mr teen tampa in the early 80s like at age 16 he was impressive.
never the less holy wanted to see a example of a guy that benched ,squatted some serious weight and was not the size of coleman or markus rhul.
So I went with the exact opposite of what he was looking for and pulled eddie "powerhouse "robinson out of the bag of tricks to show back in 1985 some one at around 200lbs at 5'8 could pull off just as big if not bigger lifts(525 press and 825 squat) then someone that weighs 280lbs- 300lbs

eddie is alocal legend around here.I dont know how much of it is true.
But he has been said to arm wrestle a guy and break his wrist .lift up a harley davidsion and carry it across and parking lot,even squatted 900lbs (but it was not a official lift)heard at shepherd on the pass (a local bar in clearwater)
he picked up two men one in ear arm and escorted them out of the bar and then 3 other guys jumped him .he had 5 guys attacking him and he just stood thier dodging punches and pushing them off him , he went into the bar grabbed a pitcher of beer chugged it infront of them and told them they better leave and if they dont he was going to get hurt.
They all left.

He may have dieted down, but he had been 220 for a couple years prior. I know he dieted down once to compete in a lower weight class in bbing (and he won).
He started off wanting to play pro football, then he got into plifting, and never wanted to do bbing, but he got talked into it and it paid the bills.
Weider brought him back to IFBB by giving him more money than McMahon was at WFB. The judges are the ones that screwed him (and the other WFB "defectors").
Eddie had (has) great genetics, and was incredibly strong for a kid his age and size (then).
As for breaking a guys arm in an arm wrestling match, that is true by his own admission. He says the guy was a 350 pounder too!
 
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