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Illuminati
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would you pay to be trained by someone who will be competing in the Mrs. Olympia?
how much...
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psychedout
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Zero.
Illuminati
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psychedout said:
i could almost guarantee that she is bigger and stronger, knows more about training and contest dieting than 99.9% of the people on this board.
Cynical Simian
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psychedout said:
Yup.
Illuminati
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bignate73 said:
we'll see who's unracking who's weight when you are pulling the plates off the bar after she gets done benching 315
bignate73
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Illuminati said:
are you her agent, publicist or biggest fan?
seriously, what background does she have? did she do it on her own or was she coached to this point? theres a big difference between those that are coached and those that coach. you'll find that out when they say "well thats what worked for me...or, that just what I said to do." or " well we are doing this because..."
bignate73
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Jim Ouini said:I'm still trying to come to the grips with the fact that somebody's mother is outbenching me
and has a pharmaceutical and food bill higher than someone's cost to stay in ICU.
in all fairness. I'm sure it would be a great experience, but since I'm in the business, I'm more interested in what they'll bring to the table in the way of teaching me and also how versatile their training is, thats the value. if they are going to parrot off gym exercises and rep schemes with a few "pump" and "mind/muscle" thrown in, I can get that from flex magazine. not to minimize her acheivements, but that alone doesn't make her an expert. NFL lineman don't necessarily make for great NFL coaches, IMO.
if you go down to Venice you'll see alot of BB'ers training people as well as some of the no longer competing BB'ers, and their programs seem like standard copy/paste programs.
not knowing your goals but if its knowledge, my recommendation would be to save the money you would spend training with her and go to seminars. go get certified to teach Olympic lifts. here
or go to a crossfit seminar here
or go to a WSB seminar here
or a Metal Militia seminar
here
or train with DC
[email protected]
lots more options that will expand your knowledge and bag of tricks. after all, you don't want to relearn how to do a flye do you?
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BiggT
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For training.....ZERO....for a date/"muscle worship"/rasslin', $500.....lol, J/K!!!
Seriously,
I always thought a high level bodybuilder (female or male) can bring a wealth of knowledge to the table in the areas of contest prep and posing........as for training/training knowledge though, it is a different story a lot of times........from a few friends I know who sought out advice from 'top' BB's to train for a show, the routines were nothing more than the standard cut/paste job from FLEX and Musclemag, the 'bulking' diet was your standard oatmeal/peanut butter/baked potato fair, and VERY quickly, the topic of drugs came up......men got the standard test/deca/some type of harsh oral advice, women got primo/deca/anavar/winnie type cycles.......the training was nothing more than running through a list of exercises (sub-par exercises in my opinion) per bodypart with no plan for progress, but words like "feel the squeeze", "pump", "lactic acid", "tempo", "pre-exhaust" etc etc were thrown in to make things sound serious. And, maybe they will do something like have you do shrugs while laying face-forward on an incline bench to make it seem like you're on the 'cutting edge'.................I have known 3-4 people who sought out high-level and pro BB's for training, and every one of them came away with the same thoughts, which were basically, "I could have done that myself".
Am I saying ALL pro bodybuilders are unfit to train somebody? NO!! Absolutely not. But, I am saying that the title "pro bodybuilder" is by no means automatic qualification to train someone and by no means does it mean a persons necessarily knows their ass from a hole in the ground with respect to training. Again, giving someone a list of exercises or showing someone how to perform a skullcrusher or a cable flye does not constitute as worthwhile 'advice' in my opinion.
As far as the best trainers, do not look for someone's accomplishments necessarily, and please know that their personal numbers and their physique do not necessarily mean they know the first thing about anything.....look for the accomplishments of their trainees. Bill Starr's methods work on everyone who tries them, so do Charles Poliquin's, so do Loiue Simmons' and Dave Tate's, so do DC's, tried and true 'cookie cutters' are also a start. Gayle Hatch is a successful coach. Glen Pendlay/Mark Ripptoe never had a dissatisfied athlete I'm sure. The whole point of seeking advice though is to one day be able to train yourself, thatst he goal. If somebody can't tell you WHY you're doing something, then they are just spitting back something they heard or read and their advice is worthless.
You will see that most so called "bodybuilding gurus" know nothing more about training than the latest issue of FLEX, and nothing more about diet other than peanut butter/oats/potatos bulk you and do 45 min of cardio twice a day and eat chicken and tuna to cut......but their value comes in the fact that they are actually "drug gurus" with the ability to talk Biochemistry with any Harvard professor.
Seriously,
I always thought a high level bodybuilder (female or male) can bring a wealth of knowledge to the table in the areas of contest prep and posing........as for training/training knowledge though, it is a different story a lot of times........from a few friends I know who sought out advice from 'top' BB's to train for a show, the routines were nothing more than the standard cut/paste job from FLEX and Musclemag, the 'bulking' diet was your standard oatmeal/peanut butter/baked potato fair, and VERY quickly, the topic of drugs came up......men got the standard test/deca/some type of harsh oral advice, women got primo/deca/anavar/winnie type cycles.......the training was nothing more than running through a list of exercises (sub-par exercises in my opinion) per bodypart with no plan for progress, but words like "feel the squeeze", "pump", "lactic acid", "tempo", "pre-exhaust" etc etc were thrown in to make things sound serious. And, maybe they will do something like have you do shrugs while laying face-forward on an incline bench to make it seem like you're on the 'cutting edge'.................I have known 3-4 people who sought out high-level and pro BB's for training, and every one of them came away with the same thoughts, which were basically, "I could have done that myself".
Am I saying ALL pro bodybuilders are unfit to train somebody? NO!! Absolutely not. But, I am saying that the title "pro bodybuilder" is by no means automatic qualification to train someone and by no means does it mean a persons necessarily knows their ass from a hole in the ground with respect to training. Again, giving someone a list of exercises or showing someone how to perform a skullcrusher or a cable flye does not constitute as worthwhile 'advice' in my opinion.
As far as the best trainers, do not look for someone's accomplishments necessarily, and please know that their personal numbers and their physique do not necessarily mean they know the first thing about anything.....look for the accomplishments of their trainees. Bill Starr's methods work on everyone who tries them, so do Charles Poliquin's, so do Loiue Simmons' and Dave Tate's, so do DC's, tried and true 'cookie cutters' are also a start. Gayle Hatch is a successful coach. Glen Pendlay/Mark Ripptoe never had a dissatisfied athlete I'm sure. The whole point of seeking advice though is to one day be able to train yourself, thatst he goal. If somebody can't tell you WHY you're doing something, then they are just spitting back something they heard or read and their advice is worthless.
You will see that most so called "bodybuilding gurus" know nothing more about training than the latest issue of FLEX, and nothing more about diet other than peanut butter/oats/potatos bulk you and do 45 min of cardio twice a day and eat chicken and tuna to cut......but their value comes in the fact that they are actually "drug gurus" with the ability to talk Biochemistry with any Harvard professor.
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