How much insulin in a test cycle?

[h_rock]

How much insulin (humalog) do you think is enough to act as a powerful SHBG inhibitor and increase androgen receptors on a 500 mg/week test cycle for a 190 lbs male 26 year old 5'10". I took 4 iu for 2 days and felt nothing,

I increased it to 5 iu yesterday and felt the hypoglycemic effects within 10 minutes. I was gonna faint..but was lucky to have glucose tabs in hand and had my friend in the other room.
I dont want to use proviron due to some other issues. any input ?

 

[taoiron]

Did you eat after you took the 5iu??

 

[mikefear]

did you not eat any carbs?

 

[h_rock]

Did you eat after you took the 5iu??

10grm carbs/iu humalog is general conception. But, I immediately drank 60 gram of whey, a banana (30-35grms carbs), gatorade (40 grams). thats it.

 

[h_rock]

did you not eat any carbs?

After 1 hour, i had a meal with lean chicken breasts.
400-500 cals probably, the whole chipotle chicken bowl with extra chicken.

 

[acneman]

10grm carbs/iu humalog is general conception. But, I immediately drank 60 gram of whey, a banana (30-35grms carbs), gatorade (40 grams). thats it.

a lot of factors can be involved
did you inject intra muscular or Subcutaneous?
from reading the above im assuming the whey was 0 carb, eat the banana, then the gator aid. that could have taken almost 10 minutes.
heres my plan for you next workout
have your buddy with you not in the next room
humalog
gatoraid
whey
banana
in that order
get the carbs first
slam those protien grams
eat the banana at your convience
you should be fine
but... listen to your body mabey post workout you will have to be eatin the banana while your drawin the slin etc...
good work haven the tabs on hand i always did also
you should be able to work up to 9 IU at your body weight
do the 5IU again next workout and be safe and let us know

just remember if you do insulin right you are supposed to feel nothing.
but you will see the resuts in your body and lifts very quickly.

 

[taoiron]

10grm carbs/iu humalog is general conception. But, I immediately drank 60 gram of whey, a banana (30-35grms carbs), gatorade (40 grams). thats it.

That ratio is appropriate / standard protocol… Your reaction seems a bit odd.

I am having my first run at slin in January… I am a bit nervous but am confident in my trainer to keep me on track… My diet is always spot on..

You reaction illustrates how different compounds can / should / will effect people!

My 2ml
Taoiron

 

[taoiron]

a lot of factors can be involved
did you inject intra muscular or Subcutaneous?
from reading the above im assuming the whey was 0 carb, eat the banana, then the gator aid. that could have taken almost 10 minutes.
heres my plan for you next workout
have your buddy with you not in the next room
humalog
gatoraid
whey
banana
in that order
get the carbs first
slam those protien grams
eat the banana at your convience
you should be fine
but... listen to your body mabey post workout you will have to be eatin the banana while your drawin the slin etc...
good work haven the tabs on hand i always did also
you should be able to work up to 9 IU at your body weight
do the 5IU again next workout and be safe and let us know

just remember if you do insulin right you are supposed to feel nothing.
but you will see the resuts in your body and lifts very quickly.

Seems like good advice....

 

[crider]

what about when he took the Test? if the second time he took the insulin was not on a day when you took the test or mabye was on a day when you took the test the effect of the other drug in you system could have added to the effect of the insulin right?

 

[acneman]

what about when he took the Test? if the second time he took the insulin was not on a day when you took the test or mabye was on a day when you took the test the effect of the other drug in you system could have added to the effect of the insulin right?

ive never read where tes could effect blood sugar levels or increase insulins effects
also unless he was taking suspension his tes levels would be elevated through out the week not just shortly after the injection of tes

but it is a good point that other drugs can effect these things

any ancilary drugs and other substances being taken should be listed
a lot of suppliments can have an effect on blood sugar levels

 

[acneman]

How much insulin (humalog) do you think is enough to act as a powerful SHBG inhibitor and increase androgen receptors on a 500 mg/week test cycle for a 190 lbs male 26 year old 5'10".

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7962291&dopt=Abstract

In the weight-stable men, there was an inverse hyperbolic correlation between SHBG and insulin levels; SHBG (nmol/L) = 13.1 + [30.1 divided by insulin (microU/mL)] (P < 0.002)

if you can get that translated we might have an answer to your question.
blutwump?
lanky?
however the insulin with tes stack has so many anabolic benifits, i dont think that you will be disapointed regardless.
and i can translate that last statement. your gonna get hooge dood.

 

[h_rock]

Thanks guys for all your time and the valuable information.
I did my research on insulin and test combo before i decided to take it....
but got scared yesterday when i felt how dangerous 5 iu could be within a matter of minutes. I will definiely follow your advice Acneman..
The good part
When I incorporated insulin in my test cycle, i could see the gains have increased on a daily basis and i think its mostly lean mass..my waist is going from 30 to less than 29.in past two weeks ...lol..

Some have made statements about 15-20 lbs of muscles in 3 weeks with insulin and test.

I have tried my best to consume more than 3500 cals per day (60 percent protein) but thats my limit..i would puke if i do more than that...

I am planning to use insulin for the next 20 days with test E and then continue with test e only for a month. then PCT with HGH (8 iu per day just to minimize muscle wasting although i am skeptical about HGH will do any good during my PCT.)

 

[h_rock]

what about when he took the Test? if the second time he took the insulin was not on a day when you took the test or mabye was on a day when you took the test the effect of the other drug in you system could have added to the effect of the insulin right?

I am not sure i followed..but this was my schedule.

Test Enan
Day 1 500 mg
Day 4 500mg
Day 14 250 mg
Day 15 4 iu insulin (after light exercise..)
Day 16 4 iu (heavy weights/exercise)
day 17 5 iu.( medium weights/exercise)
Day 18 I am writing this .but will try 5 iu again...this evening..

Pro's recommend to go with test suspension and insulin..
but i will try with what i have got hands on...which is test E and insulin..


I think Insulin IM injections will take immediate effect within 5 minutes or less maybe....i am not gonna try IM until the beginning of the third week. I will go with sub Q ..seems a safer option to me..plus i dont eat fats for 4 hours anyway..so i guess..Sub q should be good enough..

 

[acneman]

I am planning to use insulin for the next 20 days with test E and then continue with test e only for a month. then PCT with HGH (8 iu per day just to minimize muscle wasting although i am skeptical about HGH will do any good during my PCT.)

i worry about HGH and IGF but thats for another thread

20 days? is that every day or only post workout?
i would recomend post workout only to remain lean.
you can incoporate insulin into pct to reduce muscle loss but i would recomend dropping dose to half max, post workout only, and severly limit fat intake post insulin intake for 4hrs(with humuog). tes naturally limits bodyfat gain and this would not be the case during pct. its your call of course, but if you watch your diet closely and carefully observe results daily it can seriously maximize your post cycle muscle retention. if you start gainin to much fat, drop it quick.

 

[h_rock]

i worry about HGH and IGF but thats for another thread

20 days? is that every day or only post workout?
i would recomend post workout only to remain lean.
you can incoporate insulin into pct to reduce muscle loss but i would recomend dropping dose to half max, post workout only, and severly limit fat intake post insulin intake for 4hrs(with humuog). tes naturally limits bodyfat gain and this would not be the case during pct. its your call of course, but if you watch your diet closely and carefully observe results daily it can seriously maximize your post cycle muscle retention. if you start gainin to much fat, drop it quick.

Only post workout..that would be around 4 days a week...sometimes 5 days a week..


I think Insulin IM injections will take immediate effect within 5 minutes or less maybe....i am not gonna try IM until the beginning of the third week. I will go with sub Q ..seems a safer option to me..plus i dont eat fats for 4 hours anyway..so i guess..Sub q should be good enough..

 

[acneman]

Only post workout..that would be around 4 days a week...sometimes 5 days a week..


I think Insulin IM injections will take immediate effect within 5 minutes or less maybe....i am not gonna try IM until the beginning of the third week. I will go with sub Q ..seems a safer option to me..plus i dont eat fats for 4 hours anyway..so i guess..Sub q should be good enough..

thats why i asked
good idea i would use IM only with humulin R
as far as everythig else on your insulin use, youve got a good plan, inteligently researched.....
SOLID!

 

[h_rock]

Thanks, Acneman. Consuming carbs first right after insulin shot is really worth it. everything was normal.
and i consumed lot of proteins in the next 15 min- 1 hour period..

lol...When it comes to muscles, Insulin is the greatest.

If i grow at this rate, I will do a photo session soon and post it here.

 

[acneman]

Thanks, Acneman. Consuming carbs first right after insulin shot is really worth it. everything was normal.
and i consumed lot of proteins in the next 15 min- 1 hour period..

lol...When it comes to muscles, Insulin is the greatest.

If i grow at this rate, I will do a photo session soon and post it here.

one of the advantages of using insulin is the "satalite cell maturation"
not just making existing muscle cells bigger (which is the normal avenue of muscle growth) but creating new muscle cells that increase your natural potential for muscle size