How much E-HCL

[dr0832]

I have taken ephedrine a few times but only in the rediculously priced ephedrine fat burners that are soon to be no more. ANyway I got some vaserpro E-HCL and have been reading that its quite a bit stronger then ephedra shit. I think the stuff I took was a Stacker 2 which says it has 25mg of E alkaloids which is the same as a vasperpro stuff, but could someone with experience with these two products tell me what the the actually conversion rate of the amount of E in each. I want something that gives me a nice jump start, but I don't want something too intense straight from the start

 

[anthrax]

Don't waste your money on any fat burner formula with hundreds of unknown and inefficient ingredients

try to find pure Ephedrine HCl (any brand)

Take 3 pills a day and drink plenty

 

[desman]

25 mg eph.
200 mg caffeine
half a sapirin if u so wish(many leave out)
5 mg yohimbine if u so wish also(very potent though with eph)

judging u are asking some basic eca questions, please take the time to read up on the subject so you do things properly and in a effective manner

 

[dr0832]

I have thousands of hours reading actually. I just wanted to to know exactly how much is equal to something like a stacker 2. I know body builders use 25mg of E 2-4 times per day, but I am not a body builder, I am just a regular guy trying to lose a few more pounds of fat, and I don't think I need to be buzzed out of my mind. Also I didn't say I wasted any money of those over priced fat burner stacks. I tried taking 2 pills that a friend gave me and theres no way I would spend 35$ when I can spend 10$ of something better.

 

[dr0832]

...?

 

[desman]

just work up to 25mg eph/200mg caffeine/adult aspirin(optional) 3 x a day. try not to take last dose to late so you can sleep. example of times would be 7 am-11am-3pm

 

[dr0832]

but I am not sure if I can handle 25mg to start off, thats why I am aksing about how much of E-HCL is equivalent to something like stacker 2.

 

[anthrax]

but I am not sure if I can handle 25mg to start off, thats why I am aksing about how much of E-HCL is equivalent to something like stacker 2.

you can try 8 mg tabs

Start with 1 then increase if you don't "feel" it

 

[desman]

8mg tabs are ideal, we have em here in canada but im not sure about the states. if u cant get 8 mg just break a 25mg in half and start with that. Im telling you, you will feel great on ephedrine. tons of energy and will make your mood more upbeat and positive

 

[anthrax]

8mg tabs are ideal, we have em here in canada but im not sure about the states.

How much do you pay for these 8mg tabs ?

 

[dr0832]

Alright I will try that. Does taking 25mg as opposed to 12.5 mg or 8 a lot weaker, or does it just last for a shorter period? ALso about how long does it last?

 

[anthrax]

Alright I will try that. Does taking 25mg as opposed to 12.5 mg or 8 a lot weaker, or does it just last for a shorter period? ALso about how long does it last?

25 mg is just twice as "strong" as 12.5mg but it does not last any longer

 

[young guns]

energy usually lasts about 4-6 hours or so.

the "buzz" is only a couple hours, for me at least.

 

[anthrax]

25 mg eph.
200 mg caffeine
half a sapirin if u so wish(many leave out)
5 mg yohimbine if u so wish also(very potent though with eph)

judging u are asking some basic eca questions, please take the time to read up on the subject so you do things properly and in a effective manner

 

[ProtienFiend]

i love ephedrine... i get so dependent on it though... =\

do what desman said 25:200:100 E/C/A and an optional 5-15mg yohimbine hcl... u could start off with 16mg ephedrine... then try 24mg the next day if you have the 8mg kind...

sometimes i do 25:400:100 when i need an extra boost... never go above 33~mg ephedrine though.... things might get scary.... and thus I readily boost caffine before ephedrine due to the implications of abusing the latter...

i also try to only take it EOD... because of the whole tolerance/depedance issue...

 

[dr0832]

Will I become dependent taking it for 21 days straight? Also does anyone know about how much extra fat your burn per hour from EC? I am trying to estimate how many calories I am burning a day to see what BF% I will be at in 3 weeks. I figure, I lift 30 minutes-1 hour minutes 4 days a week, cardio I am doing every day, rotating between 45 min of medium pace jog (about 50-60% intensity), and 25-30 min HIIT (1 minute 90% effort, and 1.5-2 minute 50% intensity). I also am eating at 500 caloric deficit a day. Also I am using yohimburn buring either the cardio, or the lifting. For cardio I have either been riding a stationary bike, or running on a treadmill. Yesterday the 45 minute ride told me I burnt on average 380 calories, but I feel it definitely had to be more then that, and thats why I am wondering babout all this.

 

[ProtienFiend]

well i think its nearly impossible to accurately predict what your bodyfat is going to be in 3 weeks (probably not that much less) let alone how many calories you were in deficit for, for the day...

i think a good eca stack might raise the BMR from somewhere between 2%-5% if that helps..

 

[desman]

Will I become dependent taking it for 21 days straight? Also does anyone know about how much extra fat your burn per hour from EC? I am trying to estimate how many calories I am burning a day to see what BF% I will be at in 3 weeks. I figure, I lift 30 minutes-1 hour minutes 4 days a week, cardio I am doing every day, rotating between 45 min of medium pace jog (about 50-60% intensity), and 25-30 min HIIT (1 minute 90% effort, and 1.5-2 minute 50% intensity). I also am eating at 500 caloric deficit a day. Also I am using yohimburn buring either the cardio, or the lifting. For cardio I have either been riding a stationary bike, or running on a treadmill. Yesterday the 45 minute ride told me I burnt on average 380 calories, but I feel it definitely had to be more then that, and thats why I am wondering babout all this.

I would say after a months straight use you will feel really tired and lathargic for a few days afterwards, atleast i did. The feeling really sucks but it will subside. Try drinking some coffee or take tabs and it will help keeping energy up. All in all though i find the few shitty days after a good go with eca is something i can deal with

 

[Stryc-9]

How much do you pay for these 8mg tabs ?

The cheapest I've found them (I'm in Toronto) is 10$ CDN for 300 8mg caps.

 

[dr0832]

well I am at 9.5% BF (15.5 LBs fat) . If I am losing about 2lbs of fat per week, I have 3 weeks remaining, and hardly any water left in my body, so I assume that I should be losing mostly fat during this time which could be about 6 lbs, which would mean I would be around 6.5% BF, but maybe I am wrong.

 

[desman]

The cheapest I've found them (I'm in Toronto) is 10$ CDN for 300 8mg caps.

wow good price, i order mine from snd and its 20

 

[chewyxrage]

is IBU profin considered aspirin?

 

[chewyxrage]

also, where are you guys ordering e-hcl from on the net?

 

[anthrax]

is IBU profin considered aspirin?

you mean ibuprofen I guess ?

it is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug used to relieve pain

But it not the same molecule than aspirin

 

[ProtienFiend]

Definitely wrong.

How do you know you are losing only fat and no muscle/water? How do you even know your measuring device is that accurate?

There are so many variables in the mix it is hard to just assume one thing and throw everything else out.

Youre best bet is to look at the scale, and mirror and say to yourself, "I am making good progress."

or, "This isnt working to well for me, I think I might have to make a change."

PF

well I am at 9.5% BF (15.5 LBs fat) . If I am losing about 2lbs of fat per week, I have 3 weeks remaining, and hardly any water left in my body, so I assume that I should be losing mostly fat during this time which could be about 6 lbs, which would mean I would be around 6.5% BF, but maybe I am wrong.