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how much cardio does it take to burn muscle on gear?

Borg4902 said:
OK, less than 2 years ago I was 165lbs at 13%bf, In aug I will be on stage at most likely over 200 with 5% body fat or less. Anything is possible if you work hard enough. With out genetics someone may damn sure never see their pro card but they can sure as hell come close. I think it all comes down to the individal. Some have to bust ass and watch everything they eat while others can scarf fast food all day and still pop out striations. Life isnt fair, if you want something bad enough you'll get it. Within reason of corse.

Those are definitely impressive gains. The beginning is always the best, you won't continue to gain like this after years and years of training and gear. That's where genetics come in. It's easy to blow up on your first few cycles. I got to 240 before I ever touched a drug, and my abs were still visible. I am very disciplined and have good genetics, I could never come even close to looking respectable on a national level. Maybe you guys haven't been around a lot of those guys, they are on an entirely different level. They were once where I am now, but I don't think I'll ever be able to get where they are now. It's not self-defeating it's reality. I still bust my ass and strive to BE MY BEST, but I am realistic.
 
Borg4902 said:
Yea ive trained with some national guys and it's seriously a whole different world.
I've seen King Kamali train and I've spent some time around a top national level guy, they are insanely large!
 
JKurz1 said:
I don't know him from Adam, so I can't vouch for his comment other than, it's true. There has only been one caucasian IN HISTORY to ever run a sub 10 second 100m. But, we are getting away from the topic here.........

and who might that be?

cause I don't think there is one, link?
 
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