After 12 years natural, gains became almost impossible for me. I just hit a wall where I was training simply to maintain what I had. Then I found out that I had low T, very low T, but my doctor at the time didn't prescribe anything for me. I don't know why. I had been around the gym long enough to know the right people to go to get some "medicine" for my low T. My first cycle was 15mg of Thai Anabol tablets per day. I got bigger and got strong as hell. I've read some of the cycles people on here are talking about and I can't imagine taking some of the doses some guys are using. At least I now have a doctor that takes care of my low T. I get Androgel by RX. I'm currently doing 20 mg of Anabol daily. I'm not using my Androgel while on this cycle but I've been getting my RX filled each month so after the cycle I will have extra Androgel so hopefully I can keep most of my gains.