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How many of you generally keep the gains from your cycle?
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I think keeping gains can be tricky. I have to keep eating enormous amounts of food. For the most part I keep 70-80% But then something like starting a new business will keep me from lifting for 6 months and I'll loose a shitload. Or an injury will keep me out for a bit. Its seems I'm always trying to get back to what I USED to look like. HA HA. Fuck it thats the fun part I guess.
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racoon_city
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we are PROGRAMMED to keep ZERO gains. i dont see how you guys can claim you keep xyz gains when we all know they will disapear in a matter of time unless you STAY ON.
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Mr.X
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djsf said:
I generally keep all gains except 5-10% that was the bloat.
MASSIVEMONSTER
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mr x,
what pct do you run to keep all your gains?
what pct do you run to keep all your gains?
Prizz
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racoon_city said:
This actually isn't exactly true..... We are "programmed" to carry a specific amount of muscle/BF, but that ratio or amount can be changed through diet and exercise..... Just like a skinny person can change to a body with Tons of BF through diet..... Just eat Mcdonalds and doughnuts every day for every meal.... That's kind of the whole reason we train in the first place, we are trying to move that balance towards the muscle side..... If you do a cycle, and gain an even 10lbs, you can keep that 10lbs by getting your hormonal lvl back on track quickly, diet, and resistance training..... Sure, Body type plays into this too..... Ecto's will have a harder time keeping gains post cycle then Endo's, so there are a few factors thrown in here..... However, you can and should keep gains post cycle through diet and training.....
rizz
I think the amount of gains you keep depends on your level of development. If you are just starting out and nowhere near your genetic potential you can keep most of your gains. When you have been at it awhile and are already over or at your limit most of it seems to go away nomatter how good a pct you do. This is especially true if you stay off too long. When I first starting using AAS I found it rather easy to keep the gains, and I didnt even know anything about PCT. I didnt even do PCT back then. Now I do it all and still struggle to keep most of the gains.
this is possible for alot of people to do. if you are a complete monster of course your going to regress back. you can continually improve your physique year after year and this could include weight increases. i stay lean year round with my diet and cycle once a year for 16 to 20 weeks, low doses. every year i maintain a bigger, leaner physique post cycle. i never stop dieting, training, or doing cardio. there is no relaxed time. this is how i do it. i'm not a mass monster, just very muscular and lean. but i continually improve, that much is true.
vincentpeoples
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I think a lot depends on the drug itself. With Anadrol, I can assume you lose a lot b/c huge amounts of water runs out of the muscle post cycle. With a winstrol, however, gains in lean muscle mass with little to no water retention I would assume you keep most of your gains b/c of the lean muscle gain aspect; not water retention. I also, think a lot depends on the degree of training PC. I think a lot of people tend to lack in both diet and training when they come off, where ironically, you probably need to train and diet harder in order to keep the muscle growing!!
nolvadex, arimidex, clomid, tribulus, avena sativa, and maca are my pct. nolva alone will be good but not enough. make sure you research pct before you have to start. looks like you need some help.
my regiment looks like this:
week 1 - 5: nolva 40mg/day
week 1 - 3:arimidex .5mg eod
week 2 - 5: clomid 50mg/day
week 1 - 5: maca 2g/day, tribulus 4g/day, avena sativa 2g/day
my regiment looks like this:
week 1 - 5: nolva 40mg/day
week 1 - 3:arimidex .5mg eod
week 2 - 5: clomid 50mg/day
week 1 - 5: maca 2g/day, tribulus 4g/day, avena sativa 2g/day
swordfish151
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Gains = lifetime commitment and discipline as well as the desire to always maintain the BB lifestyle. Take AAS out of the equation..lets talk about a regular joe...if he works out, eats right he gains muscle looks good...say he stops 6 months down the line he's back where he started maybe worse...the point is its in the dedication you keep...once your off doesnt mean slack off....keep with it...up untill your next cycle..if you dont have a next cycle..then keep eating like a beast...adjust your workouts, your eating habbits..pay attention to your body and dont be lazy..
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racoon_city
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so all that shit about IGF being a strong anti catabolic post cycle was/is just hype?
I disagree bro, for me I have kept alot of the muscle from previous cycles. for instance I was out for 16 weeks due to a dislocated ankle and a surgery that left me with 5 screws holding it all together. first week back in the gym I was able to do muster a set of 9 with 315, something I could have never done before my gear usage. So I know I have kept a lot of it.racoon_city said:
MASSIVEMONSTER
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tim tim,
4g of trib a day? are you sure?
best pct is:
nolva, clomis, trib, hcg, igf. cover all your bases. also keep eating and training good but cut training volume and its all good
4g of trib a day? are you sure?
best pct is:
nolva, clomis, trib, hcg, igf. cover all your bases. also keep eating and training good but cut training volume and its all good
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ALIN
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djsf said:
with proper PCT i keep 85-90% of my gains.
Maetenloch
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I kept all but 1-2lbs of my first cycle. Of course I was running HCG throughout the entire cycle, and ran IGF-LR3 during PCT.
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racoon_city
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Maetenloch said:
really.... what HCg doses?
asianlover
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racoon_city said:
if you are above on beyond what you body can handle then probable so. but, it's not like steroids built a different kind of muscle that will eventually disapear.
Maetenloch
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racoon_city said:
I was taking 333iu MWF for a total of 1000iu/week. This was based on a study I came across showing that this amount maintained intratesticular testosterone levels. I can dig it up if you're interested. This is also close to SWALE's reccommendation of 250-500iu twice a week.
i've got to ask, what is meant by "keeping the gains". i think this should be further divided into two factors... 1) wieght gains and 2) strength gains.
i think weight gain is difficult to quantify because of the increase in water retention and blood levels during a cycle. i don't know how you can differentiate this from lean muscle mass gains (until a month or more after the cycle when those levels drop).
strength gains seems straightforward.
i think weight gain is difficult to quantify because of the increase in water retention and blood levels during a cycle. i don't know how you can differentiate this from lean muscle mass gains (until a month or more after the cycle when those levels drop).
strength gains seems straightforward.
bluetwistedsteel67
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That's just not true bro. I will agree that if you are beyong your genetic capability and you go off, you will lose your gains but seriously how many guys on this board are at that point?racoon_city said:
bluetwistedsteel67 said:
I would have to say for me this might be true. The longer I stay off the more I lose. Once stayed off for about 6 months and lost everything I had gained on the cycle. Ive been lifting for about 21 years now and so that might have a part in it, perhaps those that havent been lifting very long might keep most of theirs.
bluetwistedsteel67
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Yeah, I think that makes a difference. The big difference maker though is if you keep up your intensity in the gym post cycle or do you slack off, how dialed is your diet post cycle, what drugs were you taking in the first place etc. Get on anadrol and I don't care who you are, the gains will vanish take test and tren and you'll keep most of your gains (other than bloat from the test). Lot of factors. PCT being the biggest.maldorf said:
busamuscle
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racoon_city said:
Once you are past your genetic potential you will lose most if not all of your gains after you stop using AAS!I don't know why people think they can keep them,if you used 1g of test a week to get there what makes you think that its keepable if the average male only produces about 70-100mg per week!Test levels naturally increase due to weight lifting (stress on the muscle tissue) but don't continue to do so,they platue.The majority of gains are from nitrogen and protein retention causing hypertrophy of muscle cells.So lets say you stop lifting weights wich means you will have less test in your system and you lose muscle mass.Same goes with excess test that you put in your system once you stop your bodies own test even with proper PCT cannot and will not support the additional mass!The gains will fade with time!
Cauliflower Ear
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I am running eq for 20 weeks at 600mg/week. I am on week three and I have been told that I wont see gains till week 6. But I am eating so much that I have already gained 5 pounds. I hope to gain another 10 because I have 17 weeks to go. Also I think that I will keep it because there is almost no bloat with eq because it is not that strong of an androgen. I will be running hcg, clomid, and nolva for pct...standard Jenetic profile
AF PROSPECT
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I've done very well with keeping my gains, but I definitely have a lack of motivation. Also, you shouldn't be busting your ass in the gym to desperately try to keep your gains until your natural test levels have returned. I have a feeling that is alot of people's problem other than just lack of PCT knowledge/experience.
bluetwistedsteel67
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You should always bust your ass in the gym. You may reduce your number of sets but the intensity should always be your best. Don't bust your ass until your natural test levels are back? That's the worst advice I've ever read on this board.AF PROSPECT said:
crazyivan
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when i came off last year i maintaned my weightt for several months,but my appitite started to suck. as i started eating less i started lossing weight. i was off for 9 months lossed most but not all my gains. i think if i keep eating like im on or at least close to it id keep close to all my gains.
Cauliflower Ear
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yeah eat eat eat is a good stradegy.....as well as train train train!!!
Busamuscle said:
that is how I see it. You see all these guys on here claiming to put on 15 pounds or more on a cycle and keep most of it. If this were true they would put on 30-45 pounds a year and all be Ronnie Coleman's within the space of a few years. I think one is doing good if you can keep 3-5 pounds of lean body mass from a cycle. Unless you stay on perpetually, youre gonna lose most of your gains. Over the years my time off has gotten shorter and shorter in order to try to hang on to those gains.
AF PROSPECT
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bluetwistedsteel67 said:
Whoah there. I meant exactly what you said and you say that's the worst advice you've ever read!!! I see way too many people scramble the fuck around like idiots doing 1,000 sets per bodypart in a DESPARATE attempt to keep the muscle. Personally, all I do is decrease my overall volume. Don't get me wrong, I still train hard, but I also take the fact that there will be a brief period during my PCT that my test levels will be at their lowest. During that time, I take it easy...for the rest of the time, I basically focus on a powerlifting-style routine.
chemical soldier
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swordfish151 said:
amen brother!
chemical soldier
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maldorf said:
sad to say but that makes sense...
bigtasty25
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i think if you're a competitive bodybuilder...youre impeding your progress by coming off if you are PAST YOUR GENETIC LIMIT. It's as simple as that. It doesnt mean you need to take large doses in order to stay anti catabolic...it just means bridging with an amount u can get by on to maintain mass, say 250-300mg test (depending on how far u are past your limit), with some hgh, and possibly slin, and or igf. of course, the glutamine/bcaa's, creatine wouldnt hurt also. I honestly dont see how such a small amount of test can hurt the liver or kidneys...in which case..i dont see a point in coming off unless you WANT to get smaller and impede your progress, and have to spend some of ure next cycle gaining it back..theres absolutely no point in that, its unneccessary. This way, you go 2 steps forward...wait a couple months..then go another 2 steps forward...etc..makes better sense to me really...UNLESS you are below your genetic potential, then..thats a completely different story.
As for your balls shrinking and whatknot by staying on so long...its been generally accepted I belive that between 2-300 iu of hcg mon/wed/fri is usually the best route to keep normal test levels flowing. I use 200iu mon/wed/fri..have for the last 9 months..and my nuts are still normal sized. Ive heard hgh helps in this aspect as well, same with igf, but im not totally sure on that one.
As for your balls shrinking and whatknot by staying on so long...its been generally accepted I belive that between 2-300 iu of hcg mon/wed/fri is usually the best route to keep normal test levels flowing. I use 200iu mon/wed/fri..have for the last 9 months..and my nuts are still normal sized. Ive heard hgh helps in this aspect as well, same with igf, but im not totally sure on that one.
athlete.03
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I did three low-moderate dose cycles centering around test.
Gained a great deal and kept virtually all of it. I attribute that to proper PCT and intense POST-cycle training.
Gained a great deal and kept virtually all of it. I attribute that to proper PCT and intense POST-cycle training.
bigtasty25
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