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lartinos
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just wondering how you guys take it. i tend to run it quite a longtime with problem.
no more than 6 weeks. ramp up; 25, 50, 75, 75, 50, 25. something like that.
02gixxersix
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I've run it for a long time before at 25 mcg's a day. You can really run it as long as you'd like.
too long...don't ask
DannoMight
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21 days before a comp.
02gixxersix
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If I take more than 25 mcg's I split it. I take half in the morning and half before I go to bed or in the evening depending on when I remember.sdever said:
blacksabbath1987
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if you run it with clen and you dont split it up!!you will shake like a mad man at least i did!!! and got very hot!! but i walk around in short sleeves ,and it is 10 -degrees were i am now.02gixxersix said:
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lartinos
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big misprint, lol. I meant without a problem
02gixxersix
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I hate clen. I tried to run it 4 or 5 times and I can never make it past the first 5 or 6 days. I actually just poured a bottle out. It's not worth the sides for me.blacksabbath1987 said:
If you take some T3, does that increase your total T3, even if you take a low dose like 25mcg?
Or will taking a low dose like that lower your TSH, and thus lower my own Thyroid hormones maing my Thyroid even lower than it was normally?
Also, lets say i only took T3 for a few days and wanted to stop for some reason, how long would it take for my thyroid to return to its normal production? Would it take longer, the longer i stay on it?
Thanks bro's.
Or will taking a low dose like that lower your TSH, and thus lower my own Thyroid hormones maing my Thyroid even lower than it was normally?
Also, lets say i only took T3 for a few days and wanted to stop for some reason, how long would it take for my thyroid to return to its normal production? Would it take longer, the longer i stay on it?
Thanks bro's.
monkey arms
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Are people still using t3? Why would you when t4 is really what you want?
BUT when i did run it i'd keep it to about 3 weeks and really just go freaky low with BF.
BUT when i did run it i'd keep it to about 3 weeks and really just go freaky low with BF.
monkey arms
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You got it reversed brother.
The majority of patients with hypothyroidism are treated with thyroxine, also known as T4 (Trade names include Synthroid, Eltroxin, Levoxyl etc). Theoretically, pharmacological management of hypothyroidism would mimic what our own thyroid does, which is to produce both T4 and T3. It is important to remember that the majority of thyroid hormone produced and secreted by the thyroid (about 90%) is T4. Very little of the more biologically potent T3 is derived from our thyroid gland. However, our body generates its own T3 from T4 by removing a single iodine molecule, using an enzyme called a deiodinase. This process happens naturally in many of our tissues, hence much of our thyroid-derived T4 is actually converted, in a regulated manner as needed, to T3. Similarly, patients taking thyroxine (T4) supplementation in the form of a tablet or pill will actually convert, in a regulated manner, considerable amounts of administered T4 to T3, as needed constantly throughout the day.
Numerous studies have examined the merits of replacing both T3 and T4 versus T4 alone. Some of these studies have been done in normal subjects, other studies have been carried out in patients with psychiatric illnesses, often depression. A common finding in some of these studies is that patients taking some form of T3 supplement feel better, in some subjective or objective measurements of mood or cognitive function, than those taking T4 alone. For example, see the 1999 study in the New England Journal of Medicine, and the accompanying Editorial that reviews the merits of using one hormone or two for the treatment of hypothyroidism.
Nevertheless, many of these studies are small, not well controlled, often non-randomized, and hence may not be valid and generally applicable to the majority of patients with hypothyroidism as is partly the case for the study described in Thyroid hormone replacement therapy in primary hypothyroidism: a randomized trial comparing L-thyroxine plus liothyronine with L-thyroxine alone. Ann Intern Med. 2005 Mar 15;142(6):412-24. Indeed, even in the NEJM article mentioned above, patients taking T3 had higher levels of some thyroid sensitive proteins such as sex hormone binding globulin, suggesting that the T3 group may have been very slightly hyperthyroid, despite normal levels of TSH. Most thyroid specialists and informed patients appreciate the need for more data and better studies of this issue, and several additional studies of T3 supplementation are underway.
The majority of patients with hypothyroidism are treated with thyroxine, also known as T4 (Trade names include Synthroid, Eltroxin, Levoxyl etc). Theoretically, pharmacological management of hypothyroidism would mimic what our own thyroid does, which is to produce both T4 and T3. It is important to remember that the majority of thyroid hormone produced and secreted by the thyroid (about 90%) is T4. Very little of the more biologically potent T3 is derived from our thyroid gland. However, our body generates its own T3 from T4 by removing a single iodine molecule, using an enzyme called a deiodinase. This process happens naturally in many of our tissues, hence much of our thyroid-derived T4 is actually converted, in a regulated manner as needed, to T3. Similarly, patients taking thyroxine (T4) supplementation in the form of a tablet or pill will actually convert, in a regulated manner, considerable amounts of administered T4 to T3, as needed constantly throughout the day.
Numerous studies have examined the merits of replacing both T3 and T4 versus T4 alone. Some of these studies have been done in normal subjects, other studies have been carried out in patients with psychiatric illnesses, often depression. A common finding in some of these studies is that patients taking some form of T3 supplement feel better, in some subjective or objective measurements of mood or cognitive function, than those taking T4 alone. For example, see the 1999 study in the New England Journal of Medicine, and the accompanying Editorial that reviews the merits of using one hormone or two for the treatment of hypothyroidism.
Nevertheless, many of these studies are small, not well controlled, often non-randomized, and hence may not be valid and generally applicable to the majority of patients with hypothyroidism as is partly the case for the study described in Thyroid hormone replacement therapy in primary hypothyroidism: a randomized trial comparing L-thyroxine plus liothyronine with L-thyroxine alone. Ann Intern Med. 2005 Mar 15;142(6):412-24. Indeed, even in the NEJM article mentioned above, patients taking T3 had higher levels of some thyroid sensitive proteins such as sex hormone binding globulin, suggesting that the T3 group may have been very slightly hyperthyroid, despite normal levels of TSH. Most thyroid specialists and informed patients appreciate the need for more data and better studies of this issue, and several additional studies of T3 supplementation are underway.
No i dont have it reversed.
I can point you to a bunch of articles from more experienced Doctors, and people on Thyroid forums, that mostly all respond better to either T3 alone, or Armour Thyroid which is a combo of T3 and T4, along with other parts of the Thyroid such as T1 and T2.
Ive never read of anybody having better results with T4 than they did with T3 for losing weight/fat.
As i said in normal individuals like you and me who's thyroids are normal, or body will only convert from T4 to T3 what the body needs and thinks it needs.
So if you want to give your metabolism a boost than skip the T4 and just get to the point with T3, this way you know you are increasing your levels of T3 instead of taking a crap load of T4 and hoping you'll get a good conversion of T4 to T3.
Mabye your body will convert the T4 to T3, but i think you would have to take a lot more T4 when you could just take a lot less T3.
I can point you to a bunch of articles from more experienced Doctors, and people on Thyroid forums, that mostly all respond better to either T3 alone, or Armour Thyroid which is a combo of T3 and T4, along with other parts of the Thyroid such as T1 and T2.
Ive never read of anybody having better results with T4 than they did with T3 for losing weight/fat.
As i said in normal individuals like you and me who's thyroids are normal, or body will only convert from T4 to T3 what the body needs and thinks it needs.
So if you want to give your metabolism a boost than skip the T4 and just get to the point with T3, this way you know you are increasing your levels of T3 instead of taking a crap load of T4 and hoping you'll get a good conversion of T4 to T3.
Mabye your body will convert the T4 to T3, but i think you would have to take a lot more T4 when you could just take a lot less T3.
monkey arms
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ok...... point we are all here to learn
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