I know on winstrol i started noticing the vascularity before the strength really kicked in... I'm on var/tbol 40mg ed each on day 16. I'm starting to see some good strength increases.. but the vascularity is very minimal... I see my shoulders and chest mainly. From experience.... when do you guys reallly start to see var kick in. I understand tbol is a slow started and steady so i'm not expecting huge strength increase from it. I'd be willing to be its responsible for most of the size i'm putting on though. Thanks fellas. Good lookin out!

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