How far would you go (dosage)

[theslime]

I know everyone has different goals and not everyone wants to compete, but if money wasn't an issue, how high would you go as far as mgs are concerned? As for me, i went as high as 1 g of test a week, 200 mg of drol and 100 mg of anavar a week. I know this might sound reckless for some, but I dont intend on cutting back in future cycles. I am very ambitious and would like to increase dosages eventually, although i wouldn't increase my oral dosages. What would be your ultimate limit, if you have one?

BTW, The dosages listed above are in no way something I recommend for a first cycle and im not trying to say that increasing dosage is the only way to reach your goals.

 

[craigsuperbig]

I know some guys who say they have used 2-3 g per week, with no apparent serious side effects.
However non-stop cycles are much more harmful than high dosages, so its wise to NEVER go non-stop, and to use some antiestrogens/HCG/Clomid.

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[CRsteve]

I'd only go as high as necessary. There's got to be a point of diminishing returns and I'd probably stop at about that point, otherwise it would be a waste of money and gear.

 

[theslime]

I know some guys who say they have used 2-3 g per week, with no apparent serious side effects.
However non-stop cycles are much more harmful than high dosages, so its wise to NEVER go non-stop, and to use some antiestrogens/HCG/Clomid.

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2-3 g total really doesnt sound so bad. You figure 1.5+ g of test, 800 mg deca, possibly tren and some orals and its easy to go there. I'm sure some pros can double that amount.

 

[Stryker1992]

I never go above 500 mgs per week. I am a big pussy! I do like long cyles.

 

[silverbackn]

I would say about 2 g's would be the max for this cat. I do compete, but I don't have the genetics to be a national level guy (or the desire to destroy my health). If you run a gram of test as a base it's pretty easy to hit 2g's.

 

[theslime]

I would say about 2 g's would be the max for this cat. I do compete, but I don't have the genetics to be a national level guy (or the desire to destroy my health). If you run a gram of test as a base it's pretty easy to hit 2g's.

You really think its impossible to be a healthy national level bodybuilder? I'm not saying i disagree, but I dont know of many bodybuilders, even in the pro ranks, with really serious health problems. And those who had health problems mainly blamed diuretics or genetics/familiy history.

 

[Dial_tone]

I would say about 2 g's would be the max for this cat. I do compete, but I don't have the genetics to be a national level guy (or the desire to destroy my health). If you run a gram of test as a base it's pretty easy to hit 2g's.

I agree with you. I think anybody who's a weekend warrior (non competitive BB'er) that goes over 2grams is just a moron with fucked up priorities. Although I have no doubt I had the genetics to be a national contender I wasn't willing to risk my health to do it. Put it this way....I got to this point at age 22 with three or four 8-10 week cycles of 200mg test E5D and 20-25mg Dbol, so yeah I have no doubt I could have stepped onstage at 220+ and 5% BF if I went to up 2 grams..

 

[silverbackn]

You really think its impossible to be a healthy national level bodybuilder? I'm not saying i disagree, but I dont know of many bodybuilders, even in the pro ranks, with really serious health problems. And those who had health problems mainly blamed diuretics or genetics/familiy history.

Of course it isn't impossible to be a healthy national level bodybuilder but, look at the number of top guys who are having problems. It's not even that they are directly related to the gear, but the systemic impact over time I think is a massive stress. I'll put it this way, how many of the top 10 bodybuilders on earth do you think will live to see 60? Do you think Ronnie Coleman will die of old age? Not only that, do you think these guys run and tell everybody everytime they have a health problem? Hell no they don't. It's an ego thing, bodybuilders ignore their health to become bigger and better. Even if ZERO drugs were involved, just being heavier (even if it's muscle) will shorten your life. Imagine weighing 300 pounds in the off-season at 5'8, you think your heart and cardiovascular system aren't being crushed? It's just common sense.

 

[psychedout]

I don't think I will ever exceed 1,000mg of AAS. Highest to date is 960mg week I believe. Not that I am scared or believe the consequences of running 2,000mg would be that much greater than 1,000mg, but I just don't need it.

 

[silverbackn]

I agree with you. I think anybody who's a weekend warrior (non competitive BB'er) that goes over 2grams is just a moron with fucked up priorities. Although I have no doubt I had the genetics to be a national contender I wasn't willing to risk my health to do it. Put it this way....I got to this point at age 22 with three or four 8-10 week cycles of 200mg test E5D and 20-25mg Dbol, so yeah I have no doubt I could have stepped onstage at 220+ and 5% BF if I went to up 2 grams..

I agree with that entirely! Your pic looks good bro, you definitely have some solid genetics there. You have priorities though, you are following your instinct which you won't regret.

 

[theslime]

Even if ZERO drugs were involved, just being heavier (even if it's muscle) will shorten your life. Imagine weighing 300 pounds in the off-season at 5'8, you think your heart and cardiovascular system aren't being crushed? It's just common sense.

That certainly isnt healthy, youre right.

 

[Tweakle]

the thing is it all comes down to response to gear... altho after a certain point I've not noticed any benefit from just dumping more in my system. I WISH I could respond like those guys who (or claim to) add 25lbs of pure muscle from 2 sus a week but mom and pop didn't bless me with that kind of receptor affinity... but you reach a point where you think what the fuck, is this worth it? I'll never win even the smallest local bbing show but I use a lot of juice and also have no intention of ever stopping simply because I love lifting huge weights and the feeling of setting prs every week...

 

[gymratforlife]

I just ran the highest dose of my life at 2400mg per week for the first 6 weeks with no sides at all.I have never gotten any sides from any kind of aas no matter what I run except maybe a little nightsweats and insomnia the first time I ran tren.I do not plan on going as high as I just went again though as I backed the dose down to 1400mg now and growing great will run this another 7 weeks for a total of 15.I am runing deca,EQ,Cyp started at 800mg eq/cy per week and 600mg deca and now backed it down to 600mg deca and 400mg eq/cyp per week.I am growing the most now at week 8 I have made the best gains of all and I am up 12lbs overall wich I am sure it is mostly muscle since I do not get much water retention from any aas.So overall I am really happy but it was more of an experiment to see if the high dose would make that huge an impact on my physique.

 

[silverbackn]

That certainly isnt healthy, youre right.

It's an oft overlooked part of being diesel. When you are a muscular giant it will take years off your life, it's just like when someone is tall. The circulatory system has a lot of stress put on it due the length of the extremities.

 

[soxfan]

The highest I have ever gone in terms of AAS was 180 mg ed of var. It was an 8 weeker, var only with zero sides.

 

[theslime]

The highest I have ever gone in terms of AAS was 180 mg ed of var. It was an 8 weeker, var only with zero sides.

What were your gains like (strenght and mass)? I might try something like that myself. I have a lot of var left....

 

[silverbackn]

The highest I have ever gone in terms of AAS was 180 mg ed of var. It was an 8 weeker, var only with zero sides.

What were your results like?

 

[soxfan]

What were your results like?

I gained 17 lbs and kept about 15 lbs after cycle. My lifts were up about 40% across the board. I know that there is some debate as to whether or not var has any fat burning effect but it sure did for me as I began the cycle with a 34 inch waist and finished up wearing loose fitting 32 inch jeans! BTW, the var was BTG brand and my pct was nolva/tribulus/zma only. Also, at cycle end my liver and cholesterol levels were in the high normal range.

 

[silverbackn]

I gained 17 lbs and kept about 15 lbs after cycle. My lifts were up about 40% across the board. I know that there is some debate as to whether or not var has any fat burning effect but it sure did for me as I began the cycle with a 34 inch waist and finished up wearing loose fitting 32 inch jeans! BTW, the var was BTG brand and my pct was nolva/tribulus/zma only. Also, at cycle end my liver and cholesterol levels were in the high normal range.

It sounds to me like it was a pretty effective cycle! I have never rocked the anavar, my ass is poor and can only afford the basics. When I say the basics I mean just test.

 

[Tux]

8 weeks of 17aa var at 180mg/day, and liver values only high-normal. I always tell people that toxicity of orals is overstated in most cases, here's some more proof. Lol, but DAMN that must have cost several grand, BTG var is expensive! If I could run 1/3rd that dosage of BTG I'd be in heaven! Highest I ever went on gear was probably 1400mg/week total. 800mg/week EQ, 400mg/week Tren enth, 200mg/week test enth. The biggest I ever got was on just Test enanthate, 800mg/week. I used no anti-e's at all and held plenty of water, but no other sides. No high BP, no acne, bloodwork was perfect, and I got up to 203lbs at 5'5" with only about 11-12% bf. Damn I wish I could get that big again!

 

[silverbackn]

Damn Tux, that's diesel. I'm only 230 and I'm 6'1.

 

[Dieselgoku23]

Highest I ever ran a cycle was my first and only one!!! I didnt know any better I thought since I already weighted 234lbs with 16% body fat I could run more then 500mg of test a week so I ended up running 1 gram of test and about 600mg of EQ for my first cycle. I had no sides gained about 20lbs have kept about 16 now in my 6 week after my last shot!. Now the gear I had was UG so I probably was underdose next time I will go with QV so how things go but will do less gear since I know QV has actual dosage also will go for prop instead of Enathane

 

[theoak01]

I think maybe 1.5 grams a week combined would be it