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I am not a virgin to the sauce, but I have been really wondering lately how far one can go. A kid in my gym is 18 and never touched and neve plans on touching the stuff. He comes to these boards alot, but has decided that he doesnt want to ever be dependant on something like steroids or even andos for that matter. By the way,he can bench 405 twice at 215 pounds. Two of my buddies i lift with are 20 years old and never plan on doing the shit. THey won't even do creatine. These kids are pretty cut and big for their age/size.
I have done two light cycles. The cycles did push me past my limits. But something happened that I don't read about much on these boards. After I finished my "light" cycles, I continued to get stronger and push past my limits...let me explain with an example:
Pre-cycle I pushed 305 for two reps and I was 190 pounds.
During winny only cycle, I pushed 315 for 4 reps. I was only on winny for one month, until i had to stop do to relationship problems. Went on again and added 20mg of dbol. Post cycle i was pushing 315 for 5 reps and incline pressing 95s
I have since been natural, and two months later I am pushing 315 for 8 reps and incline with 110's. That is alot more than i was doing during my cycles.
This brings me to my point. I am seeing "the light" in the sense that one can push their bodies to incredible heights without juice or minimun amounts. For my size 210 with 8% bf, 18 in arms "cold" and pushing 375 pounds, I could go further by changing diet and training rather than juice. I have put in my fair share of partying lets say, and i think that has hurt much of my potential. It has only been recently that I have gotten more serious about diet and training. I see pictures of Tito Raymond and everyone on this board laughs that he juices his head off. Now I know you wont really believe this shit, but my friend is 5'8, 188 pounds and fairly close to being as ripped as he is...and he hasnt even done creatine. He eats very clean and natural and trains hard and intense 5 days a week.
sorry again for going on a tangent..i guess I am just wondering if steroids are becoming too much a replacement for solid training and nutrition. I wonder if the mind is actually a more powerful anabolic. How else could I have keep gaining post cycle?
I have been meeting alot of bros in my gym that dont do juice, or have only done a "few" cycles to get to where they are. I realize how much one would take to go pro, but 95% of the people on these boards don't go pro. I want your honest opinions as to how far you can go without juice or a minimun amount.
lol sorry for the long ass post, my ADD is already kicking in...
I have done two light cycles. The cycles did push me past my limits. But something happened that I don't read about much on these boards. After I finished my "light" cycles, I continued to get stronger and push past my limits...let me explain with an example:
Pre-cycle I pushed 305 for two reps and I was 190 pounds.
During winny only cycle, I pushed 315 for 4 reps. I was only on winny for one month, until i had to stop do to relationship problems. Went on again and added 20mg of dbol. Post cycle i was pushing 315 for 5 reps and incline pressing 95s
I have since been natural, and two months later I am pushing 315 for 8 reps and incline with 110's. That is alot more than i was doing during my cycles.
This brings me to my point. I am seeing "the light" in the sense that one can push their bodies to incredible heights without juice or minimun amounts. For my size 210 with 8% bf, 18 in arms "cold" and pushing 375 pounds, I could go further by changing diet and training rather than juice. I have put in my fair share of partying lets say, and i think that has hurt much of my potential. It has only been recently that I have gotten more serious about diet and training. I see pictures of Tito Raymond and everyone on this board laughs that he juices his head off. Now I know you wont really believe this shit, but my friend is 5'8, 188 pounds and fairly close to being as ripped as he is...and he hasnt even done creatine. He eats very clean and natural and trains hard and intense 5 days a week.
sorry again for going on a tangent..i guess I am just wondering if steroids are becoming too much a replacement for solid training and nutrition. I wonder if the mind is actually a more powerful anabolic. How else could I have keep gaining post cycle?
I have been meeting alot of bros in my gym that dont do juice, or have only done a "few" cycles to get to where they are. I realize how much one would take to go pro, but 95% of the people on these boards don't go pro. I want your honest opinions as to how far you can go without juice or a minimun amount.
lol sorry for the long ass post, my ADD is already kicking in...
