how do you inject?

[duckster34]

this may not be of help but, i was reading bar rooms post,and he mentioned the waste of gear in the syringe, and was wondering if anybody used the airlock method of injection. when you leave a small air bubble in the syringe when doing im injections, this will force out all of the gear and cut down on the waste and will help with ozzing of oil from the injecion site, remember to aspirate before injection due to blood vessel contact,don't want free air floating around the system,lol,later duckster

 

[boss]

for the amount of gear left in the needle, i dont bother. if it means that much then get a new hobby.......not a flame so dont take it like that.

 

[gilly6993-recreatedbygeorge]

the airlock method is not such a good idea seeing as people stick themselve multiple times per week for many weeks......that's a lot of air.

 

[duckster34]

iceman i am with ya on that i don't worry about it cause i tyr to get enough not to have to,but thats what they teach us in school for most im injections, regardless of the amount of injections, some of our patients get im injections a frequent as we do,later duckster

 

[NFG123]

I dont think its worth the time, effort or risk of hitting an artery, IMO.

NFG

 

[Slider]

That would be a NO, No.
With most doing multiple site injections if you ever hit an artery you would have a little, no BIG problem.

Kev

 

[Beezers]

I use it for everyshot. I leave about 1/4cc of air in there for every 1 inch of needle. There is nothing dangerous about this guys. It's tought in every nursing text book(at least that I have read) and used in every nursing school. So long as you asperate and aren't in a vein then it is perfectly safe. No sense in wasting good gear.

 

[waterboy]

doesn't seem worth it, considering it's just a drop or two

I was going to say the same thing .

 

[danrag]

so when yall inject, do yall pull the syringe up a little bit in order to see if any blood comes up, which would mean that you hit a vein? or do yall bother

 

[Beezers]

so when yall inject, do yall pull the syringe up a little bit in order to see if any blood comes up, which would mean that you hit a vein? or do yall bother

YES. ALWAYS asparate.

 

[Polfa/Jelfa]

I dont air lock anymore....i find it that when air locked 1/4- 1/8 cc if when i aspirate......i can not see bubles slowly comming up..liek becouse of suction or something..especialy with 25 g needle...... pisses the hell out of me... i guess if i were in avein blood would com eout...but...it jsut messes with my mind not geting the reasurance from air bubles..so that is why i say fuck the .0000001 loss jez.... and just do it the safe...way which i feel comfortable..oh and Btw.....good companys like Organon, etc... Polfa/Jelfa...it is usually ac common practice for multi dose vials to be slightly slightly overfilled to compensate for withdrawing etc.
Just thougt id share that..
Peace

 

[Bicho]

this may not be of help but, i was reading bar rooms post,and he mentioned the waste of gear in the syringe, and was wondering if anybody used the airlock method of injection. when you leave a small air bubble in the syringe when doing im injections, this will force out all of the gear and cut down on the waste and will help with ozzing of oil from the injecion site, remember to aspirate before injection due to blood vessel contact,don't want free air floating around the system,lol,later duckster

As i told him don't be a cheap bastard j/k

 

[danrag]

but what WOULD happen if you did inject into a vein?

 

[in-progress]

not sure but...

to answer the question of what would happen if you injected into a vein...I dont know for sure. but i remember reading a post somewere on antoher board that said you simply would not absorbe it as well and it would just be a wasted shot.

I AM NOT SURE IF THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD HAPPEN. YOU MIGHT DIE FOR ALL I KNOW.

so don't take this to heart. I am just repeating the only response i have ever heard to this question.

 

[danrag]

anyone else?

 

[##spiderbaby##]

I airlock and aspirate on every injection, even when I was using fina ED. It doesnt slow me down in the least. About injecting air into yourself my god you just injected 2'cc worth of foreign oil into your body whats a tiny bubble of air going to do?

I dont believe its nessesary but I do it anyway.


##spiderbaby##

 

[supertech69]

It seems like an awesful big risk for a very small benefit. Although not likely let's not forget about the possibility of an air embolism. Ah yes, there's nothing like saving a 10th of a penny so you can have your heart chamber, vapor lock & kill your ass. I, like most, am strapped for cash to buy AS but, if you are really that strapped mabe you should reconsider doing them. Just my $.02

 

[in-progress]

THIS SHOULD BE NOTED

I think its also VERY important to note that even if you do get an air bubble in your blood stream, that does not me DEFINATE death. My dad was in the hospital a while back with an iv . If you have ever had an iv, you probably noticed they have an air filter that is SUPPOSED to keep bubbles from entering your vein. well guess what. his shit didn't work. he saw a bubble going right down the line, hit the nurse button, told them there was a bubble in his line. she said " the filter will catch it." So a few minutes later he watches the air buble travel right on through the filter and into his arm. that was a couple years ago. did not kill him.

I'm NOT saying its a good thing to put air in your veins. lord knows its not. just that even if you do get air, it doesn't mean you will die.

 

[##spiderbaby##]

Its really not a question of saving a few pennys. There are two reasons nurses do this:
1.) to administer the correct dosage of the drug
2.) to prevent the drug from "leaking" out of the musscle therefore rendering it useless.


AIRLOCK TECHNIQUE (page 539, Craven & Hirnle)

The air lock technique, which clears excess medication from the needle following injection, is thought to prevent medication from leaking into the subq tissues and skin surface as the needle is withdrawn, thereby preventing irritation and staining of tissues. Air lock is recommended in combination with Z-Track Method but may be used with non-Z-Track I.M.'s.

Withdraw the desired volume of medication into the syringe.
Draw in a additional 0.2ml of air.
Insert the needle at a 90 degree angle.
Watch the position of the needle when injecting the air-lock. [Air goes upward, remember?] The air must be at the top of the fluid to go in last and "lock" the medication in the muscle.] If the patient is at an awkward angle, your air bubble may not be "on top".



Z-TRACK METHOD (page 539)

This method is used for certain medication that advise "for deep IM use only" or "given deeply into the body of a relatively large muscle".

When preparing the injection site, pull the skin and subcutaneous tissues about 1 - 1.5 inches to one side of the selected site.
Insert the syringe at a 90 degree angle.
Aspirate and administer medication while continuing traction on the skin.
Leave the needle inserted an additional 10 seconds.
Simultaneously remove needle and release traction on the skin. This zig zag pathway seals medication into the muscle.



##spiderbaby##

 

[danrag]

how the heck do you put the needle 90 degrees into your ass