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How did you find God?

OMEGA

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every one seems to have a differnet story on this one.

Some had a single revelatory experience, that occurred in one instant.

Some had a cumulative building of the belief that God exists, and then finaly began believing in him.

Some are on the fringes.

Some don't believe at all.

just curious, I would love to read the experience of others.:)
 
im sorry i have taken the faith i put into a religion and put it into myself, yes i believe there is a god, do i think a church or synagogue<sp> is required or even a set faith? no. more wars were fought because of religion then any other single reason, i will have no part of such a manipulative and corrupt establishment. When i see a priest driving a brand new caddy and golfing everyday it literally makes me ill, if that person truely were a man with faith and had given himself to show god then he should sell that fuckin caddilac and help feed and shelter some homeless....:mad:
 
I've given religion a crack before. It's not for me.

I don't believe in God, per se, but I am a spiritual person. Even though I've looked for God, I've never been able to find Him.

I make due with a quest for enlighenment. :) Not currently on the path, but I'll get back there eventually.
 
Whenever I hear that phrase, "I found God," I think to myself how arrogant it is to think that a mere mortal could accomplish this. I believe that it is the other way around. God finds you.
 
about the church, and all other institituions, that are hierarchical in Nature...esp. Roman Catholosism,

they are prone to operate like a state, that is contolled by a few, and imposes it's will, based on it's size on others, sometimes constructively, sometimes destructively.

so yes this definatley a flaw of a MAN MADE institution, that professes to be congruint with Gods beliefs, and convictions.

Personally I believe in God, and even though I went to the church, several times a year, i seldom felt his presence then one day...... it happened in the morining.

the presence was undeniable even to the most sceptic eyes, because I was one.

the only thing I can say is that if you felt what I did you would know

I had to submit my ego consciuosly for the feeling to enter my being, I had to let go, and the moment I did, that instant I knew.

my ego was battleing for controll, like a prison cage around my brain, the key was submitt, and let go then I new
 
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it was during my second senior year when mom found jesus christ. his spirit was trapped inside an old manoshevitz bottle that mom picked out of a dumpster behind the old 7-11. mom brought the bottle inside and set it down on top of the tv. then she told all of us kids to gather around, and then she explained how jesus lived in the bottle... and how if she wanted to, she could call him out to do her bidding. sis said it reminded her of an old tv show, and mom slapped her and called her a heretic. i didn't say anything because i just remembered that time outside the safeway when it took four security guards to hold mom down. jesus loves me yes i know for the bible tells me so... when i'm weak he makes me strong, that is why i sing this song.. if i die before i wake pray to him my soul he'll take jesus loves me yes i know...

it wasn't long before people from all over the world started coming to our house to see the bottle. at first i thought it would make me more popular at school but instead it seemed to have the opposite result. kids would stop in the halls and point at me and say, "there's the boy whose mother keeps our savior cooped up in that tiny little bottle!"... and then everybody started calling me "bottle boy", and that really hurt. it was also around this time that mom started to attract some pretty weird followers - like that guy who never used deodorant and spoke only in riddles, and that woman who collected 19th century amish swimwear. mom yeah she loved jesus but not like others did for she had a special bottle in which our savior lived.. mom yeah she loved jesus but not like others did for she could unleash his vengence by unfastening the lid.

as the year went on things went from bad to worse, and i realised that if there wasn't a big change pretty soon i'd never be able to get a date for the prom. i couldn't go the year before because mom belonged to a church that considered dancing a one way ticket to hell, but that's a whole other story. anyway, by this point mom had appeared on the richard bey show, AM philadelphia, and geraldo - so there was no use in me changing schools since everyone knew who my mom was. also we had to spend all the money from mom's personal appearances and hire a bodyguard, cause by this point, we were getting about 400 death threats a day.

then one night i just couldn't stand it anymore. while everyone else was sleeping, i crept downstairs. slowly i went up to the bottle and began to unfasten the lid. at first, nothing happened, but then the room filled with a thick, white smoke. i was thinking my sister had taken the batteries out of the smoke detector to put into her walkman. when the smoke cleared, i found myself face to face with the son of god, who was much shorter than i'd expected. he told me since i'd freed him, he'd grant me one wish - and that's how i got to go to the prom with geena davis - but you probably already read about that in people.
 
such a presences has never existed in my world omega, my ego has never been a strong factor in my life. i felt dirty going to church, i could just feel the evil that radiated in the building, the greed and the lack of caring...i brought this up with the priest when i was to be confirmed *the last time i was there* and he told me i was being foolish and that it is a "place of god" where no evil can enter....well he can continue to drive his 2002 STS and play golf while there are people starving not a mile away from the church, i would rather help the homeless instead of preach damnation and the need for money.

I also feel the bible is one of the best works of fiction ever written. A group of well educated individuals decided to come together a make a "story" by which order would be created out of choas, much like myths, promising salvation and heaven to the meek, pulling the wool over the eyes of people so they could gain and maintain power.
 
smallmovesal said:
it was during my second senior year when mom found jesus christ. his spirit was trapped inside an old manoshevitz bottle that mom picked out of a dumpster behind the old 7-11.....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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So that's your family in a nutshell, huh? lol

I still think your mom is hot.
 
Naturally Anabolic.

I hear you.

I have ran in to professed theologins, and people of God and had seen evil in there eyes.

one of them actually was a member of Congress,

and when he spoke everyone obeyed like sheep, and hung on his words as if he was an agent of God.

i questioned him openly, and proceeded to engage in a give and take concerning murder in times of war, he said it was justified under certain conditions, and I continued to refute and dismatle his "therories"

and when he asked my professors who I was, and then introduced himself to me, I did not see any God in his eyes, but I did see something, and it was unspeakable,
and dark
 
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About 10 years ago I was in VA Beach on vacation. Waves were pretty big that day, but hey I had to act like a little hard ass and try to stand in front of them. One big frigging wave came, and took my feet out. I smacked my head on the sand, and was laying there with enough water to cover my body. Anyone who has ever been to VA Beach will tell you the water is frigging green.

Suddenly I opened my eyes. The water had become calm and clear, I could see the sun from under water. I was at peace, extremely comfortable. However something told me I wasn't supposed to be there. Next thing I know another wave through me onto the drier sand where the water didn't cover me anymore. I took a big gasp of breath. I've never felt that sense of peace before, and have yet to recapture a feeling like it.

That incident made me believe that there is something peaceful waiting...one day.
 
I always here people with the argument that Christianity has been the cause of so many wars, and that this priest molested this little kid ect, or this minister or someone who represented the church did this so that is why I don't believe in god or follow god.
Yes there are a lot of people in church and involved in Christianity that are not who they claim to be, and who are hypocrits.
I don't understand how that can be a reason for someone not to believe, its kind of a scapegoat if you ask me. So because there are people who distort and pervert the true meaning and beliefs of God that makes Christianity itself wrong?

The thing that baffles me is whenever someone who is living their life for god or supposedly living their life for god, there are people waiting for them to fuck up, and usually whenever they fuck up it is mortified and made a huge deal. When this happens people always look at this and say: see he or they are supposed to be a man of God and living their life for God and yet they go and do something like that,,, how is it possible.

The fact that we are man makes us imperfect, it is not possible for any of us to be perfect and not make mistakes, but once it is known that you are living your life for God it is almost expected of you by others to live that perfect life, otherwise when you don't live that perfect life its the fault of religion. When you don't live that perfect life then others love to point that out saying look at that person, they are supposed to be so religious and yet they still fuck up.
For example a Church me and my family used to be very involved in, the head Pastor was forced to step down from his position and not be a Pastor anymore because a lot of people suspected that he was having an affair with his secretary. I don't doubt at all that he was having an affair with her either,,, hell him and his wife got a divorce and he is now married to the secretary he was having the affair with.
My point is that people love to point a finger at this kind of stuff and say: Yep look at that, Christianity, (or religion,,, what ever you choose to call it) and those are the people telling us how to live our lives and that we live in sin, when they can't even live their own lives without sin or fucking up.
Just like to point out that yes that Pastor did fuck up big time, but it was him that fucked up not Christianity.
 
Rex said:
About 10 years ago I was in VA Beach on vacation. Waves were pretty big that day, but hey I had to act like a little hard ass and try to stand in front of them. One big frigging wave came, and took my feet out. I smacked my head on the sand, and was laying there with enough water to cover my body. Anyone who has ever been to VA Beach will tell you the water is frigging green.

Suddenly I opened my eyes. The water had become calm and clear, I could see the sun from under water. I was at peace, extremely comfortable. However something told me I wasn't supposed to be there. Next thing I know another wave through me onto the drier sand where the water didn't cover me anymore. I took a big gasp of breath. I've never felt that sense of peace before, and have yet to recapture a feeling like it.

That incident made me believe that there is something peaceful waiting...one day.

That was powerful man.

gave me goos bumps to read that.

the thought of reocurrance had crossed my mind as well ( of the religiuos experience).

but lets just be thankful it happened at all.

I know am
:angel:
 
If you are talking about the bible's version of God, then no I have never found him.


If you are talking about there being a higher power then yes I have found him or yes I do believe in him.

The God I believe in loves everyone, no matter what religion you believe or don't believe in. He doesn't make a distinction between those that go to church/ temple and those that don't go. He places more importance on the way you live your life everyday, not just on the sabbath or holy day.
 
Big 4 life

just thought I would say I think your 100% on the $$:)

interesting side note bout the bible

as a historical document it is extremely accurate in displaying the social, political, cultural, and economic issues of the day.

just remeber to READ THE TEXT WITHIN CONTEXT:)
 
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ok i'm gonna "take a leap of faith" here :D and guess that big4 would apply that to living as a homosexual also, for instance, which would essentially create conflict with your agreement with his statement.

just an observation.
 
OMEGA said:

interesting side note bout the bible

as a historical document it is extremely accurate in displaying the social, political, cultural, and economic issues of the day.

I think it's more the inaccuracies in the Bible (e.g. its inconsistencies) that are most telling when it comes to giving insight toward the social, political, cultural and economic issues of the day. A lot of the dates and characters are verifiable and so, in this sense, the Bible is a worthy historical document but, as with most historical sources, it's the telling of the tale that most tells of the teller. For example, take the Gospel of John and compare it to the other three Gospels. The sequence of events are totally different and the places of emphasis are completely different too. In John, for example, Jesus' human lineage is ignored and he is instead promoted as the supernatural Word. In the Synoptics, however, he is linked to the line of David, and a good many chapters are dedicated to his infant human development and parentage. All the Gospel writers are writing about the same man, however, because they have different messages about him that they wish to emphasise, they tell their tales differently. It's inconsistency like this that, for me at least, speaks the most about the cultural climate at the time each verse, chapter and book was written.

... sorry for the ramble ... I'm really interested in the philosophy of religion so I tend to get a bit verbose ;)
 
mini_mouse said:


I think it's more the inaccuracies in the Bible (e.g. its inconsistencies) that are most telling when it comes to giving insight toward the social, political, cultural and economic issues of the day. A lot of the dates and characters are verifiable and so, in this sense, the Bible is a worthy historical document but, as with most historical sources, it's the telling of the tale that most tells of the teller. For example, take the Gospel of John and compare it to the other three Gospels. The sequence of events are totally different and the places of emphasis are completely different too. In John, for example, Jesus' human lineage is ignored and he is instead promoted as the supernatural Word. In the Synoptics, however, he is linked to the line of David, and a good many chapters are dedicated to his infant human development and parentage. All the Gospel writers are writing about the same man, however, because they have different messages about him that they wish to emphasise, they tell their tales differently. It's inconsistency like this that, for me at least, speaks the most about the cultural climate at the time each verse, chapter and book was written.

... sorry for the ramble ... I'm really interested in the philosophy of religion so I tend to get a bit verbose ;)

:confused:


:sulk: <<<<<< me


bye now;)

j/k well um I cannot touch that one.

but there are indeed some remarkable instances of accuracy that cannot be denied.

the thing that really bakes my noodle is the prophesies.

there are 8 out of like 300+ THAT CAME TRUE, THAT even the most schepticle have said "yea shoot I can't refute that one"

a mathematician, who used the relatively new science of probablity took those 8 prophecies and basically said the likely hood of those being able to come true was something like piling the entire state of texas with sliver dollars 2 feet high, marking one of the silver dollars with a red x, and telling someone with a blinde fold to go in and find the marked silver dollar.


non the less 8 univerSALLY ACCEPTED HAVE COME TRUE, ALTHOUGH i can't name them, cus I am not a scholar

one example is the prosperous city of TYRE, and it's overthrow by NEBAKANEZZUR, and it final destruction many years later by Alexander the Great...this was all predicted and recorded with extreme accuracy.

i'm bableing, but another interesting side note is that the text of the bible itself is extremely accurate with the language of previuos Authors, which thus at least lends some validity to what the preson who wrote the information down at the time was actually seeing.

Rabbis who would transfer the text of the Old testament for example would throw away whole pages of transcribed material if even ONE comma or letter was out of place in the document.

when the dead sea scrolls were found, one entire scroll was found of a complete work..MATHEW, or MARK...soemthing that started with an M but I have now forgotten.

and when scholars went over it and compared it to copies that were modern

the modern text was only 5% off from the original scroll.

how accurate can you get.

4 % innacurracies were ascribed to musplaced lettere, and grammer devices.

and 1 % percent was for the misrepresentation of one word

and that was the word "light"
 
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Peyote Killa said:
Not a single person on this board has found god.
Nor has anyone on this planet found god.

This statement represents complete juvenile and turbid thought. How mentally locked does one get? Unless, you want to attempt to explain, but be warned, there is only one response suitable, because your words are suspect as fuck. If you read this and have a chance, elaborate for me homie. peace, audi 7698500
 
actually i stumbled on to him by mere coincidence. it just so happens we both use the same hair stylist. and we were accidently scheduled at the same time. well an arguement insued, but once he identified himself, it was all good. were tight now. the end.:fro:
 
Peyote Killa said:
Not a single person on this board has found god.
Nor has anyone on this planet found god.

Well . . . we are intitled to our own opinions, after all each and everyone of us has a free will. However, that was a pretty bold statement for someone who has never "walked in my shoes" before.

Please do elaborate . . .
 
OMEGA said:
but there are indeed some remarkable instances of accuracy that cannot be denied.

Yeah, I agree that there is much in the Bible that is accurate ... hehe just not all of it ;)


the thing that really bakes my noodle is the prophesies.

there are 8 out of like 300+ THAT CAME TRUE, THAT even the most schepticle have said "yea shoot I can't refute that one"

a mathematician, who used the relatively new science of probablity took those 8 prophecies and basically said the likely hood of those being able to come true was something like piling the entire state of texas with sliver dollars 2 feet high, marking one of the silver dollars with a red x, and telling someone with a blinde fold to go in and find the marked silver dollar.


non the less 8 univerSALLY ACCEPTED HAVE COME TRUE, ALTHOUGH i can't name them, cus I am not a scholar

Now I'm confused :confused:. 8 out of 300+ prophecies coming true seems to be in line with the laws of probability. If you went to 300+ fortune tellers I'm sure there'd be at least 8 things that they foresee that come true too.


when the dead sea scrolls were found, one entire scroll was found of a complete work..

Yeah, the document is kept on show in the John Rylands Library in Manchester, UK. I had to go and see it with my class a few years ago. It was actually very uninteresting though because, while it is the oldest document in existence, it's about as big as a chewing gum wrapper!

the modern text was only 5% off from the original scroll.

how accurate can you get.

4 % innacurracies were ascribed to musplaced lettere, and grammer devices.

and 1 % percent was for the misrepresentation of one word

and that was the word "light"

That's interesting. Do you know how "light" had been misrepresented? It's a word that is used a huge number of times in John's Gospel, so it obviously meant something very significant to the author.
 
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mini_mouse said:


I think it's more the inaccuracies in the Bible (e.g. its inconsistencies) that are most telling when it comes to giving insight toward the social, political, cultural and economic issues of the day. A lot of the dates and characters are verifiable and so, in this sense, the Bible is a worthy historical document but, as with most historical sources, it's the telling of the tale that most tells of the teller. For example, take the Gospel of John and compare it to the other three Gospels. The sequence of events are totally different and the places of emphasis are completely different too. In John, for example, Jesus' human lineage is ignored and he is instead promoted as the supernatural Word. In the Synoptics, however, he is linked to the line of David, and a good many chapters are dedicated to his infant human development and parentage. All the Gospel writers are writing about the same man, however, because they have different messages about him that they wish to emphasise, they tell their tales differently. It's inconsistency like this that, for me at least, speaks the most about the cultural climate at the time each verse, chapter and book was written.

... sorry for the ramble ... I'm really interested in the philosophy of religion so I tend to get a bit verbose ;)

To me the differences in the gospels do not necessarily denote inconsistency. Each gospel does not tell a conflicting story of Jesus, rather a different story.

If you ask me about MLK, and I tell you about his family, and where he grew up and where he went to school, that's one true story.

If you ask my neighbor about MLK, and he tells you of his leadership abilities, hi morals, and his visions as a revolutionary, that's a different true story.

You have heard two DIFFERENT stories, but not necessarly INCONSISTENT stories.

Like you said, these New Testament Gospels are men telling the stories of the day, so there are bound to be inconsistencies and inaccuracies in some of the extraneous details, but does this detract from the validity or truth of the SPIRITUAL message that the Bible (especially the Old Testament) delivers?
 
Can a fish find the water in which he swims?


I'm all radical paradox and shit!!!!
 
Surviving a car wreck. i was drunk and wasted beyond belief when i was 20. i was in a bed of pick up truck and the guy driving hit a tree. for some odd reason i tucked into a ball and was slammed into the bed of the truck(right under the back window). Doctors said that i wouldn't of tucked into a ball i would of surely died due to head trauma and that by being really drunk I saved myself from breaking my spine in half. My back was black and blue but no broken bones. Had to go get my back realigned and deal with the guys insurance company.

I did manage to get an extra 500$ out the insurance company when they paid out for my injuries, loss of work, hospital bills,medicine... I told them that i was having Nightmares and then the lady said "will $500 extra dollars help". I said yes. :D

i spent some of that settlement on a tattoo
 
Can a fish find the water in which he swims?

That is some deeeeeeeeeeeeep shit Wodin (not kidding)

My son's so awesome to watch because he's 5 and he hasn't been conditioned by the world yet to not let God freely flow through him and influence him and his actions.

Here's an example of the cool things he does:

We were in a bathroom in a resturant in stalls next to each other, and there was a lady next to us. Out of the blue my son says..

"do you know who the king is?" I said "no....who?' (wanting to say Elvis, but it would have been lost on him)

He said"God, mommy, God is the King. You know who else? Jesus....and all of God's people"

NO LIE THAT'S QUOTE.......

I fully believe that the woman in the stall next to us needed to hear that message and God used my son to deliver it.
 
OMEGA said:
every one seems to have a differnet story on this one.

Some had a single revelatory experience, that occurred in one instant.

Some had a cumulative building of the belief that God exists, and then finaly began believing in him.

Some are on the fringes.

Some don't believe at all.

just curious, I would love to read the experience of others.:)

No one found god...he was here all along.
 
Another example - we live in a wooded area where there are lots of windy roads where lots of car accidents occur. So, there are lots of crosses where people have died.

Yesterday driving home from the gym, my son said

"I don't want to see another cross!"

me -- "why would you say that???"

my son - "because it makes me think of Jesus and if I think of Jesus anymore my heart will explode with love!!"
 
Originally posted by Peyote Killa
Not a single person on this board has found god.
Nor has anyone on this planet found god.

Its simple my friend, btw I love your name, you will not find God he will find you. You will have little choice in the matter if that is what he wants.

dex
 
One I was doing bench press, after 4 reps someone just said: " hey kid, need a spot ?" I said bro how can you spot me you aint that big ? He said: "Dont worry my Son, I' God"........
 
About 8 years ago, after tripping on acid I came home and started to go back to my bed room... At the end of the hallway we had a crucifix with Christ on it. ......... I started to have chest pains and Christ came off the crucifix and said....... " son, its allright, come with me...."

I was like "fuck that, I am 20 years old, and I gotta hot girl waiting for me to bang her... I gotta closet full of juice and a pocket full of money, I gotta get a rain check."

thats the last I heard from any "gods" i hope that wasnt my only chance.
 
When I was under the age of 18, I didn't look for him. My parent's never had me to go to church, and we didn't really ever talk about it.

When I got my girlfriend pregnant at 19, and went on with her for the next 3 years, I wasn't looking for him then either.

When she left, and I was left with nothing, and I realized that everything I faced now, all the pain and heartache, was nothing more than a direct result of my actions, from the time I was a small boy, I began to find him. When rock bottom continued to get deeper and deeper, that is when I began searching for him.

I found him about two years ago, and learned very much about him within the past year. Death is no longer a fear of mine.
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bigguns7 said:


To me the differences in the gospels do not necessarily denote inconsistency. Each gospel does not tell a conflicting story of Jesus, rather a different story.

If you ask me about MLK, and I tell you about his family, and where he grew up and where he went to school, that's one true story.

If you ask my neighbor about MLK, and he tells you of his leadership abilities, hi morals, and his visions as a revolutionary, that's a different true story.

You have heard two DIFFERENT stories, but not necessarly INCONSISTENT stories.

Like you said, these New Testament Gospels are men telling the stories of the day, so there are bound to be inconsistencies and inaccuracies in some of the extraneous details, but does this detract from the validity or truth of the SPIRITUAL message that the Bible (especially the Old Testament) delivers?

Essentially I agree with all that you've said. But that's probably because I think of the 'truth' you're talking about as 'spiritual truth'. I don't believe in such a thing as ultimate truth, I think truth is relative and that it has different languages. The Gospels use many metaphors lifted from the Old Testament and restructure them in order to 'prove' that Jesus fulfils the prophecies of old and that Christianity is the supercendent of Judaism. For example, in Isiah, the "suffering servant" provides a metaphor for the promised land of Israel. In the Gospels, however, Jesus is portayed as the "suffering servant", thus indicating that he is God's new promise. Religious metaphor, while not literal, can, I think, provide a spiritual truth. And that's how I view the Bible stories: as spiritually true. By spiritually true I suppose I am referring to the ethics that underlie the narrative, the morals of the story, even if not the stories themselves.
Everyone likes to separate storytelling which is not fact from history which is fact in order to know what to believe and what not to believe. But I think that you come to a story with preconceived beliefs already and that the truth you find in it is determined by them. If you already believe in God then you will read the Bible differently to someone who comes to it as a non-believer. Both will find a truth in some shape or form, just one personal to them.
 
THE BIBLE

Food for thought:

What if everything in the bible was true there was a heaven and hell. And what if you lived your life the way you wanted and not according to the bible then where would you go? But what if you lived your life according to the bible and then find out there was no truth in it, no heaven or hell, then what did you lose by living your life good. Question you ask yourself do I want to take that chance that there might be some truth, and there is a heaven and hell. Just a thought............
 
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jagwire said:
Food for thought:

What if everything in the bible was true there was a heaven and hell. And what if you lived your life the way you wanted and not according to the bible then where would you go? But what if you lived your life according to the bible and then find out there was no truth in it, no heaven or hell, then what did you lose by living your life good. Question you ask yourself do I want to take that chance that there might be some truth, and there is a heaven and hell. Just a thought............

Ppl often put forward this argument but I can't understand it myself. I mean, according to Christian doctrine, your place in heaven isn't determined by whether you are simply good, it's determined by whether you believe in the Holy Trinity. By this reasoning a person could follow the Christian ethical code (which is, in fact, the ethical code upon which the whole of western society is based) and still end up in Hell. It's the belief that stands as the great divider, allegedly. And it's not possible to cultivate belief, you either have it or you don't. Hedging your bets sounds all well and good in theory, but in practice it's a fraud. I can tell you this: I want to believe in a higher power - I think that people who do are generally happier, after all - but I don't.
 
mini_mouse said:


Essentially I agree with all that you've said. But that's probably because I think of the 'truth' you're talking about as 'spiritual truth'. I don't believe in such a thing as ultimate truth, I think truth is relative and that it has different languages. The Gospels use many metaphors lifted from the Old Testament and restructure them in order to 'prove' that Jesus fulfils the prophecies of old and that Christianity is the supercendent of Judaism. For example, in Isiah, the "suffering servant" provides a metaphor for the promised land of Israel. In the Gospels, however, Jesus is portayed as the "suffering servant", thus indicating that he is God's new promise. Religious metaphor, while not literal, can, I think, provide a spiritual truth. And that's how I view the Bible stories: as spiritually true. By spiritually true I suppose I am referring to the ethics that underlie the narrative, the morals of the story, even if not the stories themselves.
Everyone likes to separate storytelling which is not fact from history which is fact in order to know what to believe and what not to believe. But I think that you come to a story with preconceived beliefs already and that the truth you find in it is determined by them. If you already believe in God then you will read the Bible differently to someone who comes to it as a non-believer. Both will find a truth in some shape or form, just one personal to them.

Well put. I think your message is nealry the same as mine.

I'm begging people to read the Bible with an open mind, and to consider the people telling the story. It's so easy to find things in the Bible that aren't true, or don't add up, but people shouldn't use that as a reason to shun Christianity. They should realize that the New Testament is told by men, just like us.

Are their opinions biased? Of course, because Jesus was their Messiah, and they were his disciples. Just like Christians who read the Bible today, these men believed in what they were writing because they WANTED to believe. Their convictions may have swayed their journalistic reporting, but can we blame them? The Old Testament prophesied that certain things would happen, and these men looked for things in their present lives that could apply to the metaphors used in the Old Testament.

They weren't writing the Gospels as propaganda or to deliberately deceive people, they were telling the truth as they saw it.

It's important to remember that God didn't get a chance to proofread and correct the version of the Bible that we read today.
 
bigguns7 said:


Well put. I think your message is nealry the same as mine.

I'm begging people to read the Bible with an open mind, and to consider the people telling the story. It's so easy to find things in the Bible that aren't true, or don't add up, but people shouldn't use that as a reason to shun Christianity. They should realize that the New Testament is told by men, just like us.

Are their opinions biased? Of course, because Jesus was their Messiah, and they were his disciples. Just like Christians who read the Bible today, these men believed in what they were writing because they WANTED to believe. Their convictions may have swayed their journalistic reporting, but can we blame them? The Old Testament prophesied that certain things would happen, and these men looked for things in their present lives that could apply to the metaphors used in the Old Testament.

They weren't writing the Gospels as propaganda or to deliberately deceive people, they were telling the truth as they saw it.

It's important to remember that God didn't get a chance to proofread and correct the version of the Bible that we read today.

Well put yourself ;) I would like to think that, if I had the gut feeling that lends itself to belief in God, my beliefs would be exactly the same as yours. I don't believe in God (well, maybe I should say, I am not sure what I believe in) but I favour keeping as open a mind as possible despite this. I've dabbled with both Judaism and Christianity and I held onto each of them for the time I did because I really wanted to believe in something bigger than myself and this two-dimensional little world. I still do want to believe in something but, because there's no gut feeling there, I cannot say I do. But it's interesting that you, as a believer, and me, as a non-believer, can be of such similar thought. Thanks for your post :)
 
mini_mouse said:


Well put yourself ;) I would like to think that, if I had the gut feeling that lends itself to belief in God, my beliefs would be exactly the same as yours. I don't believe in God (well, maybe I should say, I am not sure what I believe in) but I favour keeping as open a mind as possible despite this. I've dabbled with both Judaism and Christianity and I held onto each of them for the time I did because I really wanted to believe in something bigger than myself and this two-dimensional little world. I still do want to believe in something but, because there's no gut feeling there, I cannot say I do. But it's interesting that you, as a believer, and me, as a non-believer, can be of such similar thought. Thanks for your post :)

I wish others on this board would see that people can disagree, or have differing opinions, and in the end neither party is necessarily wrong.
 
VooDoo Lady thanks for sharing that wonderful little story.

Sometimes when I meditate I touch God.
 
When I was little I thought that God had something to do with saying grace at dinner. Other than that church was just somewhere I had to sit still and be quiet. I think I got more out of going to the dentist than I did out of church.

Through my teens I went through an unusual amount of trauma and ended up having beautiful precious souls brought into my life-- strategically placed angels to help me. I first saw God through the loving actions of a couple of my friends-- I swear that you can see Him in their lives. I wanted that. So I sought him out, lifted up my life, accepted that He was in control.

I just can't believe that all the blessings in my life are coincidence. I can't believe how many times I've literally lived through experiences I've been through without someone's hand on me guiding me. Now when I'm going through hell, when nothing makes sense, I simply realize that there is a plan...and all I an do is appreciate what I have and try to grow. I often get pissed that God's plan isn't on my time table though. I'll admit to that.

Right now my life is somewhat upside down but I have total faith that everything is going to work out. When I should be upset and lost, I'm at total peace...and I can attribute that partially to someone special, who was brought into my life just at the right time, unexpectedly. I see and feel His peace through that angel....if that makes any sense at all.
 
Better, imho, to be found by god than to seek god. God finds you when you battle an angel, the perfected image of the human. You surrender to your own imperfection, like Jacob. Rilke:

Who, if I cried out, would hear me among the angels'
hiearchies?

And even if one of them pressed me

suddenly against his heart: I would be consumed

in that overwhelming existence. For beauty is nothing

but the beginning of terror, which we still are just able to endure,

and we are so awed because it serenely disdains
to annihilate us.

Every angel is terrifying…"


You also meet god in the body. Read Steinberg's "Sexuality of Christ in Renaissance Art and in Modern Oblivion" or Bataille's "Tears of Eros":

"The meaning of eroticism escapes anyone who cannot see its religious meaning. Reciprocally, the meaning of religion in its totality escapes anyone who disregards the link it has with eroticism....Dionysos is the god of the feast, the god of religious transgression. Dionysos is seen most often as the god of the vine and of drunkenness. Dionysos is a drunken god, the god whose divine essence is madness. But, to begin with, madness is itself of divine essence. Divine, which is to say, it denies the law of reason..."

If ever I saw god, it was in the wounds of my lover and several hundred friends as they died of AIDS, unloved, of a disease brought on by the hunger for love.

I envy people's sentimental concepts of god. God is more terrible and more beautiful than a Biblical parable.
 
Haven't. I'm not looking for him. I'm looking for inner peace. Peace to come to terms with my life and decisions I've made. Not until you're at peace could you find god.:angel:
 
when I was in a fighting hole in Kosovo.......That's the first time that I can remember praying....and he got me through that.....
 
"where is god"

boom, boom, boom


I have come to the conclusion that my life wouldn't be different if I truly believed in god or not. I live an honest life, and I treat other people the way I would want to be treated. (how nice)

So if there is a god----then I'm in a good seat anyhow

If there isn't a god----I'm living my life the way I want

bottom line with me is that I do things not to get points in heaven, or get on "gods good side". I do or don't do things, because it has made me enjoy life more.
 
Have you ever looked into the eyes of a 2 or 3 year old child who is just beginning to learn the teachings of the Bible? Complete and total, unquestioning love and devotion....Children that are so fragile and innocent, yet filled with such awe....Tears always come to my eyes, and this is when I feel the presence of a "higher power".

I believe in "a higher power" or God "per se"...but I do not follow or truely believe in "organized religon", even though I was brought up to, if that makes sense.

~toga
:angel:
 
I guess Im an unpracticing catholic, I don't have much of a relationship with God as of late,, I know oe day I wil find my way back, and I wish God was more in my life now, it would help me with all of my problems if I could get back hope, faith, etc which comes with a strong belief and connection with God. Right now I have only a tiny bit of hope for the future, there is nothing Im looking forward to, and Im not going anywhere.. I hope that can change soon
 
I remember a miracle God did for me when I was 11. I had lost my first basemen's mit that took me forever to talk my dad into buying one day. I was so down and upset that I prayed very hard to God to please bring it back. I did this with complete faith as a child that he would btw. The next morning I woke up and felt led to open the front door and it was on the porch. I have never doubted existence of God. He will be there for you if you "TRULY" want to find him.
 
I was taking the trash out to the dumpster one night and there he was. He was standing inside said dumpster wearing nothing but a cowboy hat, Speedos and a pair of Tony Llama's.
 
Rockafella Skank said:
I was taking the trash out to the dumpster one night and there he was. He was standing inside said dumpster wearing nothing but a cowboy hat, Speedos and a pair of Tony Llama's.

hmm?

I feel sorry for you:(
 
Rockafella Skank said:
It wasn't so bad. It was one of those cases where I scared him and he scared me, so it cancelled each other out. He did have a really hairy back, though.

hmm:(

are you spiritual at all?

or actually better question.

how would you define your beliefs....not trying 6to confine you or trap you in any way...just what do you believe in?

"not to beg the question" do you believe in God.......maybe you do not even believe in the cocept of one......

so starting from scratch ...tell me about you...if you want/
 
Rockafella Skank said:
I was taking the trash out to the dumpster one night and there he was. He was standing inside said dumpster wearing nothing but a cowboy hat, Speedos and a pair of Tony Llama's.

Must have been Satan. God has too much class to wear Speedos.
 
jennifer said:
"where is god"

boom, boom, boom


I have come to the conclusion that my life wouldn't be different if I truly believed in god or not. I live an honest life, and I treat other people the way I would want to be treated. (how nice)

So if there is a god----then I'm in a good seat anyhow

If there isn't a god----I'm living my life the way I want

bottom line with me is that I do things not to get points in heaven, or get on "gods good side". I do or don't do things, because it has made me enjoy life more.


Very well put Jen
 
I had an experience with Christ. Im not going to go into details, because Im not currently living for Him. But, He is there. Definitly. If your looking for the living God, Christ is it.
 
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musclebrains said:

If ever I saw god, it was in the wounds of my lover and several hundred friends as they died of AIDS, unloved, of a disease brought on by the hunger for love.

I envy people's sentimental concepts of god. God is more terrible and more beautiful than a Biblical parable.

"The Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge." Proverbs 1:7
 
well.. funny story.. i went down to the barn one day... to feed the horses... and there he was.. makin it with my goat.. i had to get a pitch fork to run the bastard off..

seems as though he and his son have the same fetish..



:devil:
 
Why do people that believe in God (or a higher power) feel "sorry" for people that don't believe.

I'm very content with myself without believing in God, truly.
 
Looks like some of u dont have a healthy fear of God. heh.


Jennifer.....I guess the answer is this. Because if God *is* real, then you would be missing out on the oppurtunity of experiencing him.

The best argument against athesim is this: If the realm of human knowledge is incomplete, which it is, then how can humans definitly say God doesnt exist? They cant.

True, people who beleive in God can neither prove His existence emperically. But, the point is, the best conclusion anyone can make about Gods existence is that they dont know.
 
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I've never felt sorry for people that do not beleive in God, however, I feel extremly sorry for people that think they can understand the Creator of the Universe by listening to a couple of things about Him, or reading few chapters of the Bible. Then passing it all off as some "imaginary freind" that some phycolgicly unstable group of people use to help maintain there appearance of sanity.
Put things in perspective. The top minds, in the hundreds of individual fields of study, HAVE YET to complete their learning. That is, no one field of study is yet to be a complete work. No-one knows everything there is to know about ANYTHING. And we, in our incredible insignifgance, are going to understand THE CREATOR enough to pass ANY kind of judgement on the subject?
I DON'T THINK SO. Know and understand that, regardless of any piont of veiw that you may have, there is only one GOD that claims to be; All knowing, all presant, all powerful. Oh yea, and he will lovingly send you to HELL, regardless of your insignificant opinion, if you do not belive on Him. That, all by itself, is enough to get me to belive. And I always have, for that and many other reasons.
I can't wait for the responses to this one.
 
interesting points----

I know I'm not of the norm when I say I don't believe in a higher power. I really don't like talking about religion because people LOVE to challenge my beliefs, when I just except theirs.

But I said it earlier in this thread, if I did believe in god or what have you, there's not much I would change about the way I live, if anything.
 
Testoterone Tom said:
regardless of any piont of veiw that you may have, there is only one GOD that claims to be; All knowing, all presant, all powerful. Oh yea, and he will lovingly send you to HELL, regardless of your insignificant opinion, if you do not belive on Him. That, all by itself, is enough to get me to belive. And I always have, for that and many other reasons.

If I believed in hell, then I would most likly believe in god, but I don't
 
there is nothing to lose by believing in God, but everything to gain,,,but u may POSSIBLY risk losing everything by not if he truly does exist, because no one can prove that he does not.. However if he does, the ones that don't believe, yet still are good people I do not believe would be punished.. Its one reason Im not to keen on the catholic church, they condemn you to hell for everything
 
I found God by leaving myself open to the idea that it could be true. No other religions made sense to me. They all had something that did not seem right except for Christianity. I don't really care about labeling myself like that, it's more of the fact that I have given my life to the lord. God is not someone to be afraid of, but not getting the chance to spend eternity with him is.
 
i was targeted, for some reason, by an evil spirit. Everyday it would make my night miserable. So I had to get a pastor to pray for and with me. Since then my nights have been peacful, and I am going to church every sunday. :)
 
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