you know what man, everyone seems to hate IP's ass on this board. but I got a hold of some of his winny tabs, and i'm doing them right now with some clen. and its been one month TODAY! and i gotta say they aren't too bad. they are very underdosed and if you want the results of 50mg/day u gotta take around 100mg a day. I got my shit dirt cheap, if you're gonna pay buck a tab or 2 bucks a tab then you might as well save ur cash and get some real shit.