Houston Texans possible scenario:

[Longhorn85]

I. Mack Brown gets the coaching job in Houston (he has his NCAA title, only 2 hours from Austin, no need to move the family)

II. Vince Young goes pro

III. Mack Brown drafts V. Young, who gets to play for the NFL in his hometown.

IV. Brown trades David Carr for Offensive Linemen.

V. The Texans are a much improved team

 

[SoreArms]

what's the likeliness?

 

[Whiskey]

What's going on in here? Where am I? I think I blacked out again....

Eh, you'll have that.

Whiskey

 

[bigmann245]

I. Mack Brown gets the coaching job in Houston (he has his NCAA title, only 2 hours from Austin, no need to move the family)

II. Vince Young goes pro

III. Mack Brown drafts V. Young, who gets to play for the NFL in his hometown.

IV. Brown trades David Carr for Offensive Linemen.

V. The Texans are a much improved team

they need to do something... i mean even the jags made the playoffs in their second season and almost the superbowl. at leased get a winning season.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

VI. The same fixers that rigged the championship game will rig the Texans schedule and they go 16-0 under your scenario.

 

[big4life]

They would get one decent offensive lineman, and a draft pick. Nobody is going to give up a top lineman, and high picks for a qb who hasn't shown anything. Granted he's playing behind the worst o line in the league, but he still hasn't produced.

 

[Tytan]

Mack Brown a pro football head coach, Hell naw,,,........

 

[PICK3]

Or ... Scenario 2

They pass on both QB's in the draft because they already sold the farm for Carr and New Orleans drafts Vince Young and goes to the Superbowl next year.

 

[Longhorn85]

VI. The same fixers that rigged the championship game will rig the Texans schedule and they go 16-0 under your scenario.

Hey, works for me, but I don't think Don Shula, Larry Csonka and Jim Kiick would appreciate it.

 

[Longhorn85]

They would get one decent offensive lineman, and a draft pick. Nobody is going to give up a top lineman, and high picks for a qb who hasn't shown anything. Granted he's playing behind the worst o line in the league, but he still hasn't produced.

Are you kidding me? Are you aware of some of the QBs taking snaps in the NFL these days? Tony Banks is still employed!

 

[Austin316]

Young will be an outstanding QB in time but he needs a lot of fine tuning before he's gonna make a major impact in the NFL, throwing motion for one.

Leinhart is more ready now and would make a more immediate impact, down the road though who knows Young will prob be better. Regardless of who drafts him don't look for them to go to a Super Bowl unless they sign a shit ton of other players. Hell I wish the Vikings would take either, dump Culpepper, and let them play behind and learn from Brad Johnson for a year and then take over.

 

[DZLS]

Sorry, no offense, but I don't think Young is going to make a great NFL QB...

Leinart...? yep, he'll do just fine...

Houston should trade the #1 pick and get some O Line help, so Carr can actually throw the ball... they have a stable of good backs, and don't need Bush...

I'd take White over Bush anyhow...

that's just my opinion...

 

[Lestat]

I think Young will do well actually, I see more talent in him then Michael Vick. Vick is not a pocket passer, neither is Young, and to be effective they have to be able to do their own thing, their own style of play. I think Young will pass more traditionally, or at least think pass first, where Vick runs many designed running plays and audibles to get even more. Give young 1-2 years and I think you'll see him rise quickly to the top.

 

[DZLS]

unless they correct that severs sidearm release, he is not going to fare well... it does help that he is a good 6'4", but releasing at 5'9" in the NFL just won't cut it...

he's going to end up on a shitty squad too, which is almost certainly a death wish unless they can surround him with weapons within the first 2-3 years...

 

[Jayhawk21]

Houston should trade the #1 pick and get some O Line help, so Carr can actually throw the ball... they have a stable of good backs, and don't need Bush...

I completely agree. There is HUGE value with Reggie Bush. Trade the god damn pick for where you need it. Domminick Davis and Carr are not bad players. It all starts with the O Line. Everybodies mouths are watering for Reggie. If they draft Vince Young that would be the singlehanded dumbest pick I have seen in a long time. I don't think Vince should even go in the top 5. I see alot of references to Vick, but truth behold Vick not only is faster but has more throwing power than Young. Throwing Accuracy, well we will soon know.

 

[Lestat]

Texas does already have talent at the skill positions.. Carr, Johnson, Davis.. they can get it done, they just need a little suport cast. People are realizing that an O line that can hold their own or even manhandle a D line is not only better for the team, its a lot more fun to watch!

 

[DZLS]

yep, Houston has plenty of skill players...

not to mention Wells, and Morency at RB...

Andre Johnson can be a star too, if you lost the fucking attitude...

 

[Jayhawk21]

People are realizing that an O line that can hold their own or even manhandle a D line is not only better for the team, its a lot more fun to watch!

Yeah, look at the Chiefs. They send three offensive lineman to the pro bowl each year. I think we could plug just about anybody in there and get about 100 yards a game..but Larry Johnson is simply an animal..and with a good O line it makes him unstoppable.

 

[DZLS]

See Denver Broncos...

 

[thewanderer690]

Leinert is a much better pro type QB than Vince Young. Even though Vince Young ran all over the place Leinert really showcased his throwing ability. He will be like Carson Palmer is in a year or 2. I think Vince performed so well in part due to the fact that SC's defense is so poor. They gave up 40+ points to Fresno. I think Vince would be better as a Running back in the NFL because the running QB doesn't work well in the NFL because the players are much faster. The colts have the slowest QB in the country but he is the most effective. All the NFL teams with running QBs didnt make the playoffs this year.

 

[Jayhawk21]

I think Vince would be better as a Running back

Have you ever seen a 6 foot 5 running back? I don't think Vince could take the pounding as a solid running back in the NFL. Speed isn't as big of a factor as you might think to be a successful running back. I could see Vince as a great wide receiver though..

 

[Longhorn85]

I think Vince would be better as a Running back in the NFL because the running QB doesn't work well in the NFL because the players are much faster. The colts have the slowest QB in the country but he is the most effective. All the NFL teams with running QBs didnt make the playoffs this year.

The fact that you said V. Young would make a great running back makes me question your football knowledge.

The running QB doesn't work well in the NFL?

So you're saying that McNabb, Vick, Culpepper and McNair are failures? All have made the playoffs and two have made it to the Superbowl. All have been to the Pro Bowl.

Some immobile stand-up types that did well in college who have failed: Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Joey Harrington, Elvis Grbac.

Also note in the 99 draft which was touted as the greatest QB draft since 83, the order was Couch, McNabb, Akili Smith and Culpepper. Which of the four which you call running QBs? Which have succeeded?

 

[gotmilk]

Carr? Who's going to trade for Carr?

I'll give a 7th round pick for any Detroit QB.

 

[DZLS]

Have you ever seen a 6 foot 5 running back? I don't think Vince could take the pounding as a solid running back in the NFL. Speed isn't as big of a factor as you might think to be a successful running back. I could see Vince as a great wide receiver though..

Eddie George was his size...

 

[DZLS]

The fact that you said V. Young would make a great running back makes me question your football knowledge.

The running QB doesn't work well in the NFL?

So you're saying that McNabb, Vick, Culpepper and McNair are failures? All have made the playoffs and two have made it to the Superbowl. All have been to the Pro Bowl.

Some immobile stand-up types that did well in college who have failed: Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Joey Harrington, Elvis Grbac.

Also note in the 99 draft which was touted as the greatest QB draft since 83, the order was Couch, McNabb, Akili Smith and Culpepper. Which of the four which you call running QBs? Which have succeeded?

of your first 4, Vick is the only one comperable to Young as far as running... the others can "scramble", but they don't really "run"...

Joey Harrington is a pocket QB...? he seems very mobile to me... moreso than McNabb has been the last 2-3 years...

 

[Longhorn85]

of your first 4, Vick is the only one comperable to Young as far as running... the others can "scramble", but they don't really "run"...

Joey Harrington is a pocket QB...? he seems very mobile to me... moreso than McNabb has been the last 2-3 years...

I didn't say they were comparable to Young, I said they were running QBs. So let me see, you're saying Harrington is a running QB and McNabb is not?
Anyone else agree with that?

 

[yourmomgoestocollege]

Are you kidding me? Are you aware of some of the QBs taking snaps in the NFL these days? Tony Banks is still employed!

This is a very valid point. I don't see Mack Brown leaving Texas though. Vince Young has some potential to be a top 5 pick, but Lienert will go before him because he as the pedigree to be an NFL QB now. Vince needs some time to learn how to read the defense. This is why he pulls down and runs so much.

What is with the Tony Banks bashing. Good old MSU QB hating.

 

[gotmilk]

Does Marcus Vick get drafted?

 

[PICK3]

Does Marcus Vick get drafted?

Why not? Did he kill someone?

Do you know the social paths that are been drafted before him?

Yeah ... he gets drafted then sits on the practice squad until he grows up.

 

[gotmilk]

I ask because he can go to a double A school without having to sit a year.

Like Northern Iowa or something

 

[Megalomaniac]

Eddie George was his size...

George in pro's 6'3 230

young in college 6'5 235 (he will put on 10-15lbs when he goes pro)

 

[Megalomaniac]

Does Marcus Vick get drafted?

No he will stay and let the other qb's go so he gets picked higher next year.

 

[Megalomaniac]

of your first 4, Vick is the only one comperable to Young as far as running... the others can "scramble", but they don't really "run"...

Joey Harrington is a pocket QB...? he seems very mobile to me... moreso than McNabb has been the last 2-3 years...

Look at rushing yards for qb's. Watch style of how young runs vertically. If he is like any of those qb's in the league it would be Daunte. Actually he has more Cunningham running style though, where he is alway looking to pitch it.

 

[Longhorn85]

Does Marcus Vick get drafted?

More likely he'll get arrested.