high dosages and mood

[theslime]

It seems everytime I try to go above 1.5g to 2g total per week I start feeling moody and lethargic. Is there anything I can do about this? I know I could cut back the dosage but I have high competitive goals (Id like to become a pro) and I dont see how I can do it otherwise. Ive been juicing for the most part of the last 3 years. BTW, Im 5'10 and 220 at about 10% BF. I know its nothing crazy, but I think if I can add another 15 pounds Ill be somewhat competitive nationally as I have a small waist and good overall shape to my muscles. Again, maybe Im just optimistic but Id like to at least give a shot to competing.

 

[solidspine]

Are you getting enough sleep, I sleep at least 9 hours a day,

 

[theslime]

Yeah I sleep well. At least 7 hours a night. I was just wondering if it was a coincidence that every time I try to increase the dosage I start feeling a bit weird. I dont know how the guys at 3+grams a week do it.

 

[BigCracker]

How about ECA? Works for me. ECA 3x a day and I drink an Cappucion or Espresso when I need to train/work.

 

[theslime]

How about ECA? Works for me. ECA 3x a day and I drink an Cappucion or Espresso when I need to train/work.

How high in mgs did you go and what dosage of ECA did you take? I just find that I feel the energy increase the first 2 weeks maybe but after that I dont. And if I stop using it, then I get really tired for a week or so.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Do you use an Anti-aromatase?

Also, diet will play a role on some ( a lot actually) of the sluggishness....ie high GI carbs.

Be sure to control BP by diet, using an AI, ALA supplementation, and HCTZ if needed. There are other supplements as well to help with this.

Low doses of E/C can help as long as BP isn't of no concern. I generally use 25mg/dose of Ephedrine with 200mg of caffeine whenever I need a little pep when bulking. Usually 1-2 x per day. Actually, i'll usually just start off taking caffeine tabs when needed.

Another option is maybe looking at something like Cardio Breeze by the AF store. I've never used it, but a lot of people state that it is their favorite supplement for energy and pre-workout.

Hey, good luck buddy on your goals!

BMJ

 

[theslime]

Do you use an Anti-aromatase?

Also, diet will play a role on some ( a lot actually) of the sluggishness....ie high GI carbs.

Be sure to control BP by diet, using an AI, ALA supplementation, and HCTZ if needed. There are other supplements as well to help with this.

Low doses of E/C can help as long as BP isn't of no concern. I generally use 25mg/dose of Ephedrine with 200mg of caffeine whenever I need a little pep when bulking. Usually 1-2 x per day. Actually, i'll usually just start off taking caffeine tabs when needed.

Another option is maybe looking at something like Cardio Breeze by the AF store. I've never used it, but a lot of people state that it is their favorite supplement for energy and pre-workout.

Hey, good luck buddy on your goals!

BMJ

Thanks for your reply and encouragement. My BP used to be high and I took HCTZ for two months and now its back to normal (130-85), havent taken any BP meds for 4 months now. As for AI, Im using letro at 1.25 mg 2x/wk or when I think I look bloated. Ill have to give ephedrine another run I guess.

 

[theslime]

anyone else?

 

[mrcashcream]

My guess is your diet. Post up what you eat and I'd bet thats where your problem lies.

 

[Illuminati]

It seems everytime I try to go above 1.5g to 2g total per week I start feeling moody and lethargic. Is there anything I can do about this? I know I could cut back the dosage but I have high competitive goals (Id like to become a pro) and I dont see how I can do it otherwise. Ive been juicing for the most part of the last 3 years. BTW, Im 5'10 and 220 at about 10% BF. I know its nothing crazy, but I think if I can add another 15 pounds Ill be somewhat competitive nationally as I have a small waist and good overall shape to my muscles. Again, maybe Im just optimistic but Id like to at least give a shot to competing.

what are you running for gear?

 

[ALIN]

It seems everytime I try to go above 1.5g to 2g total per week I start feeling moody and lethargic. Is there anything I can do about this? I know I could cut back the dosage but I have high competitive goals (Id like to become a pro) and I dont see how I can do it otherwise. Ive been juicing for the most part of the last 3 years. BTW, Im 5'10 and 220 at about 10% BF. I know its nothing crazy, but I think if I can add another 15 pounds Ill be somewhat competitive nationally as I have a small waist and good overall shape to my muscles. Again, maybe Im just optimistic but Id like to at least give a shot to competing.

Maybe too much gear for your stature. Some cant handle large doses. Diet could be issue too.

 

[solidspine]

You could bump your hours of sleep to 8 or 9, it makes a big difference for me,


I also manage a nap every day about one hour after my work out, r

ounds out to be 9-10 hour sleep, but I average about 9 hours.

 

[chicagobuffedbod]

I have to say that before I started cycling I was 195 and ripped like a fitness model. I had more energy and could walk very fast. Now that I weigh 245 (I almost hit the 250lb mark at the end of two cycles) I have to say that gravity is not as friendly as before. And I need more rest. I accept it as a drawback for getting BIG.
I luvs me my beauty sleep.

 

[acneman]

How high in mgs did you go and what dosage of ECA did you take? I just find that I feel the energy increase the first 2 weeks maybe but after that I dont. And if I stop using it, then I get really tired for a week or so.

eca should be always 25mg e 200mg c and 225 mg a
after 2 weeks some suggest benadryl to clean receptors
i dont know if it works but some have reported good results doing that
however even if it dosent clean the receptors it will result in a deeper sleep and that might help too
since there is no pct for eca i recomend a gradual reduction in dose (especially for the caffeine) as a sudden stop can cause many sides like migrane headaches and low energy

also some have emotional responses to hormones so perhaps st Johns wort supplement, a natural antidepresant, might help

also i would suggest aromasin over letro VVVVV

WHAT IS AN AROMATASE INHIBITOR?.

an aromatase inhibitor inhibits the aromatase enzyme (the enzyme that converts test, dbol and EQ and to a lesser extent nandrolone(though this metabolite is likely progestenic as well) to estrogen)

AI's
arimidex (competive inhibitor-dont generally reccomend) available as perscription or research chemical
aromasin(suicidal inhibitor- reccomend) available as perscription or research chemical
AIFM (available OTC- may ship to aus- suicidal inhibitor- reccomend) available OTC
letrozole(competive inhibitor- reccomend if you need extremely potent inhibition- many find it too strong even at low doses) available as perscription or research chemical

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUICIDAL AND COMPETITIVE AROMATASE INHIBITORS
competitive inhibitors of aromatase, bind competitively to the enzyme keeping it from working this actually leads to an upregulation of aromatase production. So aromatase/estrogen rebound can be an issue.

suicidal inhibitors bind irreversibly to the aromatase enzyme, "suiciding" it. Its not entirely clear but this type of inhibition may actually reduce aromatase production temporarily. and of course the individual enzyme is defunct, which is not the case with competive inhibitors.

while "on" this is not particularly relevant for either since most AAS upregulate aromatase production (though it may be a relevant factor in why arimidex is less effective than clinically it should be). But in the PCT stage and use while off it can be. its reccomended in any case that if you use a competitive inhibitor that you taper off with an suicidal inhibitor.

good luck and remember us when you hit the big time

 

[1Mistake2006]

Cut back the dose bro.....shit, I'm 5'7" and get around 205-210 with abs with no more than a gram of test...usually 750mgs.....Make sure you're training & diet are on point

 

[theslime]

Cut back the dose bro.....shit, I'm 5'7" and get around 205-210 with abs with no more than a gram of test...usually 750mgs.....Make sure you're training & diet are on point

I guess everyone needs different amounts then. But I doubt I could be a pro at 750 mgs of test. Dont you think?

 

[mikefear]

get some alcar, neurogenex and cb/trex that'll give you a ncie pick me up and help to stabilize your mood

 

[c3bodybuilding]

I guess everyone needs different amounts then. But I doubt I could be a pro at 750 mgs of test. Dont you think?

Pro's take a lot more than just high doses of gear to look that way. There's igf1, slin, hgh, t3, and now there's all sorts of peptides that are being tried out as well. But besides all that, you don't need to start at mega doses to eventually get a pro look. Find a dose that makes you grow and stick with it until it no longer does. If you don't need 2grams right off the bat, you shouldn't use it.

And one more thing, the most important aspect of turning pro is genetics. High dose or not, you will find out eventually if you have what it takes. In the meantime, don't get caught up in the mega doses, unless you need them. Good luck brother.

 

[chicagobuffedbod]

I have a page that I saved from Pump Magazine. Not sure if any of you remember that mag but I really liked it. In one article the author went on to talk about how a cycle for one of the "smaller" pros looked like. It was amazing.
Over all it looked something like this.
About 3g of test, all different kinds.
Decca, tren and eq totaling bout another 1.5g
Proviron, T3, GH and some other ancillaries.
Overall this guy was taking about 7g of gear not including ancillaries.
But then again this guy was a pro.
I miss that magazine, it has some good info in it.

 

[theslime]

I have a page that I saved from Pump Magazine. Not sure if any of you remember that mag but I really liked it. In one article the author went on to talk about how a cycle for one of the "smaller" pros looked like. It was amazing.
Over all it looked something like this.
About 3g of test, all different kinds.
Decca, tren and eq totaling bout another 1.5g
Proviron, T3, GH and some other ancillaries.
Overall this guy was taking about 7g of gear not including ancillaries.
But then again this guy was a pro.
I miss that magazine, it has some good info in it.

THat definitely sounds like a cycle that is not so extreme for a pro. I know guys who went to 6 gs of test alone.

 

[LAN T]

THat definitely sounds like a cycle that is not so extreme for a pro. I know guys who went to 6 gs of test alone.

6g Test wow maybe that' what caused that dude in Wisconsin to fuck that dead deer on the side of the road.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1116061deer1.html

 

[thezan]

6g Test wow maybe that' what caused that dude in Wisconsin to fuck that dead deer on the side of the road.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1116061deer1.html

OMG!!!!!

That is just silly..


These pros cycle's are ridicolous!! Fuck i know people want to be the biggest but shit, its getting out of hand. There taking all this gear, and so many other meds along with it to help with depression, anxiety, insomnia, BP, joint pain, any pain...the list goes on and on--mmmm i wonder, possibly there is a synergistic effect with test and benzodiazepines....will your traps grow with some shrug dreams?..-- seriously, lets chillout on our bodies, we are giving the mirrior and the ladies way to much love...well maybe not the ladies

 

[abomb]

Letro is VERY powerful - I messed up on it and depleted my E levels and I literally felt like dying. Lethargic, achy, moody....just plain terrible. Switch to Aromasin. Our bodies actually need a little estrogen.