High BF% and test

[gsia2417]

High BF% and test. Somebody take a stab at this.

My friend wants to start taking test and winni. He is going to take 500mgs of test a week and 50mgs a day of winni for the first 6weeks. Plus clomid and a normal pct. I am not sure if he should do this but it doesn't look like I can change his mind. What can I tell him to expect? The only good news is he trains hard and has gone on a strict diet. His bf is about 19%

 

[Gman1]

EQ or deca instead of test, that is unless he wants to stay fat....? if he does want to stay fat, then tell him to take Dbol instead of winny.... winny will cut you up, test will put mass on you, if your doing a mass cycle do it, if your doing a lean muscle cycle do it, but dont do both at once thats just contradictory... but whatever,...

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

EQ or deca instead of test, that is unless he wants to stay fat....? if he does want to stay fat, then tell him to take Dbol instead of winny.... winny will cut you up, test will put mass on you, if your doing a mass cycle do it, if your doing a lean muscle cycle do it, but dont do both at once thats just contradictory... but whatever,...

 

[Gman1]

whats the ??? mean??

 

[Neo22]

EQ or deca instead of test, that is unless he wants to stay fat....? if he does want to stay fat, then tell him to take Dbol instead of winny.... winny will cut you up, test will put mass on you, if your doing a mass cycle do it, if your doing a lean muscle cycle do it, but dont do both at once thats just contradictory... but whatever,...

You can cut just fine on test bro. Fat loss or gain is a matter of diet manipulation

 

[Gman1]

ya i know that, but if the guy is really fat, it would be easier to cut on eq, i just finished getting down to 6% on test prop and winny, prop is awesome for cutting, i wouldnt recomendtest E though, i mean it could be done but it would be hard unless you knew what you were doing, thats all i meant by it..

 

[Gman1]

diet is key, thats totally true, he needs to drive past krispy kreme if he wants to get lean, eat to get cut, the juice will do its work, he just needs to put in his part...

 

[Ulter]

Steroids have no affect on your fat mass.
So let him do the cycle and in 6 months when he's even fatter than he is now maybe he'll come to the boards and learn what he's doing.

 

[The Terminator]

Steroids have no affect on your fat mass.
So let him do the cycle and in 6 months when he's even fatter than he is now maybe he'll come to the boards and learn what he's doing.

Very well put

A fat guy is ONLY going to get fatter by taking steroids

 

[fenix777]

Steroids have no affect on your fat mass.
So let him do the cycle and in 6 months when he's even fatter than he is now maybe he'll come to the boards and learn what he's doing.[/QU
BF is reduced while the muscle grows, and i am assuming that he is working out so that helps too, along with a good diet and cardio he will do just fine.

Dicipline bro.

 

[The Terminator]

BF is reduced while the muscle grows, and i am assuming that he is working out so that helps too, along with a good diet and cardio he will do just fine.

Dicipline bro.

I doubt it

If he hasnt learned how to eat to get lean now what makes you think he will suddenly magically develop that discipline ?
He wont

 

[kraze]

ahahaha

sorry, hilarious stuff in this thread (mainly the responses)

 

[sparetire]

tell your friend to run the test at 250 mgs a week for 12 weeks instead of 500 for 6 and run the winni at the end instead. If he trains hard, he'll get somewhere, but as they say, there's no quick fix to fatness..

 

[Shaggy69]

Steroids have no affect on your fat mass.
So let him do the cycle and in 6 months when he's even fatter than he is now maybe he'll come to the boards and learn what he's doing.

I thought taking exogenous test reduced body fat even in untrained subject - due to extra stimulation of the CNS? I'm sure you get a boost in adrenaline with the extra test which leads to extra fatloss?

 

[clublavela]

For the first i do not agree with Ulter. I had a friend who was around 18 bf and he took test e 500 mg for 10 weeks and he cut down to around 12 bf. but with that said his workout was up to par and his diet was pretty good but you can cut on test e! also muscle burns fat, so if your putting on muscle wouldn't it burn the fat?

 

[dali]

ya i know that, but if the guy is really fat, it would be easier to cut on eq, i just finished getting down to 6% on test prop and winny, prop is awesome for cutting, i wouldnt recomendtest E though, i mean it could be done but it would be hard unless you knew what you were doing, thats all i meant by it..

test is test

 

[swordfish151]

EQ or deca instead of test, that is unless he wants to stay fat....? if he does want to stay fat, then tell him to take Dbol instead of winny.... winny will cut you up, test will put mass on you, if your doing a mass cycle do it, if your doing a lean muscle cycle do it, but dont do both at once thats just contradictory... but whatever,...

You can cut on any aas...but telling someone that has a high bf to take deca instead of test...ha ha..ok i'd rather cut on test then on deca..but the point is that diet is the key to cut...plain and simple...and i agree with the bro's that said he needs to diet down first.....he needs to learn about nutrition before touching steriods...all he is going to do is get fatter...the guy said that he went on a strict diet? not sure what that means..

 

[wayneboard1]

For the first i do not agree with Ulter. I had a friend who was around 18 bf and he took test e 500 mg for 10 weeks and he cut down to around 12 bf. but with that said his workout was up to par and his diet was pretty good but you can cut on test e! also muscle burns fat, so if your putting on muscle wouldn't it burn the fat?

While I can't speak for Ulter, his post made sense to me. No gear will affect your loss of fat. It helps you hold onto muscle while you workout. If you are cutting then your cardio is up, caloric intake is down. I took Ulters post to mean specifically no ASS will make you lose fat, just allow you to hold onto muscle as YOU burn fat thru cardio, diet, etc. You kind of said that yourself in your post. Ulter?

 

[Ulter]

STEROIDS HAVE NO AFFECT ON YOUR FAT MASS. Get it through your heads.

Training, diet, fat burners, all affect your fat mass. Simply adding steroids does not. You will grow lean body mass but if you are not training with it then it in a way that will burn fat and dieting it won't do anything to help you lose body fat. The amount of additional fat burning you get from the added mass is so minimal you can barely measure it. I could post the studies, and there are lots of them, to show you that AS has no affect on your fat mass but maybe a real world example is better.
Powerlifters are fat. They have muscle but they are fat. They take lots of steroids and build lots of muscle but they are still fat. And they have the same amount of fat with or without the steroids. How is it that a guy who trains 6 days a week and can push 900 pounds off his chest isn't a ripped mofo? He's got all the muscle you guys are talking about. Why isn't it ripping him to shreds with all the steroids he's taking?
You see this guy below? Does anyone here think they take more steroids or have more muscle than he does? Does he look fat to you? Well then where is your theory? What went wrong here?

 

[sledhead09]

Is it me or is this a waste of gear? 19% is to high in my book. At least try to get close to 10%.

 

[Ulter]

For the first i do not agree with Ulter. I had a friend who was around 18 bf and he took test e 500 mg for 10 weeks and he cut down to around 12 bf. but with that said his workout was up to par and his diet was pretty good but you can cut on test e! also muscle burns fat, so if your putting on muscle wouldn't it burn the fat?

YES! He cut his percentage not his body fat. If you add 15 pounds of muscle then the percentage of fat drops. But the amount of fat he has doesn't.

 

[swordfish151]

Got to go with Ulter on this one...simply taking steriods wont cause your bodyfat to reduce, diet and cardio will do so...alot of guys take steriods and are still fat..bottom line...its in the diet/cardio...aas will help...but only if you understand that simply injecting wont shed the body fat..

 

[Quiltie]

To sum it all up, a person can cut on Test if they are careful with their diet and workout routine. I personally have gotten fairly cut on Test (plus EQ, with solid PCT) but the real results were at the end of the cycle when the water retention wore off. I'll tell you what, when I first start taking that Nolva and dry out, that's the best I'll look through the whole deal. Based on the current evidence, this guy sounds like he is pissing in the wind.

 

[CENTURION44]

I dont know. 19% is a bit high..but if his diet is in check now and hes been working out for sometime...He can drop to the low teens if he trains right...Cardio and working out hardcore 6days a week and hell gain lean muscle mass and lose the fat aswell

 

[Shaggy69]

Here's an interesting read on testosterone and body fat.

Ok, doesn't suggest "fat burning" per se, but shows testosterone beneficially affects the storage/metabolism of body fat. I'm also pretty sure it also increases fat unilisation through increased CNS stimulation but are still looking for clinical evidence of this.


1: Endocrinology. 2003 Nov;144(11):5081-8. Epub 2003 Jul 24. Related Articles, Links


Androgens stimulate myogenic differentiation and inhibit adipogenesis in C3H 10T1/2 pluripotent cells through an androgen receptor-mediated pathway.

Singh R, Artaza JN, Taylor WE, Gonzalez-Cadavid NF, Bhasin S.

Division of Endocrinology, Metabolism, and Molecular Medicine, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, California 90059, USA. [email protected].

Testosterone supplementation increases skeletal muscle mass and decreases fat mass; however, the underlying mechanisms are unknown. We hypothesized that testosterone regulates body composition by promoting the commitment of mesenchymal pluripotent cells into myogenic lineage and inhibiting their differentiation into adipogenic lineage. Mouse C3H 10T1/2 pluripotent cells were treated with testosterone (0-300 nM) or dihydrotestosterone (DHT, 0-30 nM) for 0-14 d, and myogenic conversion was evaluated by immunocytochemical staining for early (MyoD) and late (myosin heavy chain II; MHC) myogenic markers and by measurements of MyoD and MHC mRNA and protein. Adipogenic differentiation was assessed by adipocyte counting and by measurements of peroxisomal proliferator-activated receptor gamma 2 (PPAR gamma 2) mRNA and PPAR gamma 2 protein and CCAAT/enhancer binding protein alpha. The number of MyoD+ myogenic cells and MHC+ myotubes and MyoD and MHC mRNA and protein levels increased dose dependently in response to testosterone and DHT treatment. Both testosterone and DHT decreased the number of adipocytes and down-regulated the expression of PPAR gamma 2 mRNA and PPAR gamma 2 protein and CCAAT/enhancer binding protein alpha. Androgen receptor mRNA and protein levels were low at baseline but increased after testosterone or DHT treatment. The effects of testosterone and DHT on myogenesis and adipogenesis were blocked by bicalutamide. Therefore, testosterone and DHT regulate lineage determination in mesenchymal pluripotent cells by promoting their commitment to the myogenic lineage and inhibiting their differentiation into the adipogenic lineage through an androgen receptor-mediated pathway. The observation that differentiation of pluripotent cells is androgen dependent provides a unifying explanation for the reciprocal effects of androgens on muscle and fat mass in men.

 

[OMEGA]

blam

good points by Ulter

 

[ryan04]

He can lose fat if uses test and winny on a restricted calorie diet. Depending on his b.f.% and metabolic rate, he could lose plenty of fat by cutting down somewhere between 1500-2500 cals a day, watching his carbs, incorporating cardio a few times a week, and eating a sufficient amount of protein. This would retain all the muscle he has and build a little more.

If he plans on bulking and eating 4-6 k cals a day and expects the steroids to shed fat off him, its not gonna happen. Steroids will not burn fat themselves...it all relies on your diet.

By the way, we all know who your 'friend' really is. Wink, wink.

 

[Joe Stenson]

YES! He cut his percentage not his body fat. If you add 15 pounds of muscle then the percentage of fat drops. But the amount of fat he has doesn't.

Why are you making all these assumptions? There was nothing said about whether this fellow gained or lost weight. He very well could have lost weight on test. Gee, I don't know, maybe he was cutting?

As for steroids affecting fat mass directly I believe you are correct, although I always thought tren and var were supposed to have some direct fat-burning effects. Test though, no don't think so.

As for being 19% and wanting to use gear, I don't really see a problem providing his training and diet is NOW in order. Sure, he "could" lose some more fat naturally first, but the guy who is 6' 220 and 10% "could" gain some more muscle before resorting to gear. You use gear a) to get results faster (if under your genetic potential) or b) to achieve results that could not otherwise be attained (if over your genetic potential). Clearly this guy falls into category 'A', and as long as he's not abusing the gear then who cares.

 

[Joe Stenson]

If he plans on bulking and eating 4-6 k cals a day and expects the steroids to shed fat off him, its not gonna happen. Steroids will not burn fat themselves...it all relies on your diet.

Agreed

 

[danasti]

Re: High BF% and test. Somebody take a stab at this.

My friend wants to start taking test and winni. He is going to take 500mgs of test a week and 50mgs a day of winni for the first 6weeks. Plus clomid and a normal pct. I am not sure if he should do this but it doesn't look like I can change his mind. What can I tell him to expect? The only good news is he trains hard and has gone on a strict diet. His bf is about 19%

I would tell him "good luck!".

If it's his first cycle you should tell him to dump the winstrol and that test prop will cause less bloating, some people have a problem with the eod/ed of it though and it can irritate badly if it's not injected correctly/perfectly (i.e. deep enough/not too deep/slowly). winstrol will likely make his joints sore (6 weeks / at the front???) ... have some nolva/dex on hand .. he should also verify he has good shit.

some people don't really pay attention until something goes drastically wrong - so again, i'd just say "good luck!"