HGH........getting discouraged.

[NJjuice22]

so your not "on" right now, your taking only 3 iu's of HGH, its only been 4 weeks, and you have read probably 100 posts stating you will not see results for months.........your discouraged for what reason ..

 

[WHACKED1]

so your not "on" right now, your taking only 3 iu's of HGH, its only been 4 weeks, and you have read probably 100 posts stating you will not see results for months.........your discouraged for what reason ..

Because I've read plenty of posts relaying that the SIGNIFICANT effects are not observed until 3 months-time; NOT ZERO results after a month. The shit's in my system........SOMETHING minor should have been noticed by now! Increased energy/improved sleep/increased well being...........these things ae traditionaly observed within weeks! THAT'S WHY I asked!

 

[Davs]

Listen, I noticed subtle effects from GH 4ius/day on the first day I took it, but I was also on aas,T3 and adex at the time so that might not be relevant to you.

One thing to think about is that 3ius/day GH for 4 weeks is basically about 2 months worth of GH in one month (maybea slightly more if you have low natural GH levels). If you want to see any type of weekl/bi-weekly progress you need to increase the dose a few IUs. Either that or add in low dose aas + antie and or some t3. But be safe. If you increase the IUs there are the conerns about side effects. Among others, there is hypothyoidism induced by too much GH (one reason people combine it with t3 quite often)insulin resistance, and there is the rare but real possibility of developing intracranial hypertension from holding to much water (nasty stuff to say the least). Ofcourse in the long run there are question concerning restoring your GH axis after you go off. I am not an authority on GH or anything close. I am just relating to you my experience with the stuff and a few things I have read and picked up from other people.

Are you at least noticing a slightly full feeling in your hands?

Do you refrigerate it properly? Are you taking care not to foam the stuff up when you reconstitue? Are you sure it is real? When do you inject? If you want fat loss do it AM. How do you inject? SC or IM? Do you notice any bruising when you inject?

Again, are you keeping carbohydrate intake low because of GH's antagonism of insulin sensitivity? For what you are looking for, keeping carbs below 60 grams/day + eating protein until you are fully satisfied has been recommended by some people in the know.

Are you stressed out, running around, overtraining? Working out to much will diminsh the GH's effects on anabolism far more than doing so with aas will. IGF-1 protein gets bound up to IGFBG-3 in response to high levels of cortisol secretion. If you have chronic high stress the liver downregulates it expresion of IGF-1 producing cells. GH will still burn fat under these conditions, but its LBM sparing/promoting effects will diminish.

 

["Z"]

Been on for almost 4 weeks now. Haven't noticed shit. I KNOW that everyone stays on for 3 months minimum (I'm planning 3-6 months) but shouldn't I have noticed SOMETHING yet?

3IU's/225/12%/6'0/MID-30's

At 225lbs, 3IU's will not show noticeable differences for at least 6-8 weeks.
4.5IU's would have been optimal for somebody of your weight. Thats only if you wamnted quicker results. You'll notice a chabge on 3IU's, but it'll take another 2-3 weeks to see it.

 

[shortstack]

i agree with fonz, i didnt see that you are 225#.
im on 3iu's and i only weigh 165. i noticed change in 3 weeks

 

[WHACKED1]

Listen, I noticed subtle effects from GH 4ius/day on the first day I took it, but I was also on aas,T3 and adex at the time so that might not be relevant to you.

One thing to think about is that 3ius/day GH for 4 weeks is basically about 2 months worth of GH in one month (maybea slightly more if you have low natural GH levels). If you want to see any type of weekl/bi-weekly progress you need to increase the dose a few IUs. Either that or add in low dose aas + antie and or some t3. But be safe. If you increase the IUs there are the conerns about side effects. Among others, there is hypothyoidism induced by too much GH (one reason people combine it with t3 quite often)insulin resistance, and there is the rare but real possibility of developing intracranial hypertension from holding to much water (nasty stuff to say the least). Ofcourse in the long run there are question concerning restoring your GH axis after you go off. I am not an authority on GH or anything close. I am just relating to you my experience with the stuff and a few things I have read and picked up from other people.

Are you at least noticing a slightly full feeling in your hands?

Do you refrigerate it properly? Are you taking care not to foam the stuff up when you reconstitue? Are you sure it is real? When do you inject? If you want fat loss do it AM. How do you inject? SC or IM? Do you notice any bruising when you inject?

Again, are you keeping carbohydrate intake low because of GH's antagonism of insulin sensitivity? For what you are looking for, keeping carbs below 60 grams/day + eating protein until you are fully satisfied has been recommended by some people in the know.

Are you stressed out, running around, overtraining? Working out to much will diminsh the GH's effects on anabolism far more than doing so with aas will. IGF-1 protein gets bound up to IGFBG-3 in response to high levels of cortisol secretion. If you have chronic high stress the liver downregulates it expresion of IGF-1 producing cells. GH will still burn fat under these conditions, but its LBM sparing/promoting effects will diminish.

Damn bro----------thanks for all the deep insight!! All the factors you mentioned are actually NON-factors for me (stress, cortisol, etc). The only thing that maybe a possibility is that I began PCT around the same time as my GH. So......NO gear right now.

Thanks again!

 

[WHACKED1]

At 225lbs, 3IU's will not show noticeable differences for at least 6-8 weeks.
4.5IU's would have been optimal for somebody of your weight. Thats only if you wamnted quicker results. You'll notice a chabge on 3IU's, but it'll take another 2-3 weeks to see it.

Yeah......I hear ya bro. Thanks for the info. 3 IU's is probably where I will remain as I plan to run this for a long time. ($$$)

 

[Davs]

Damn bro----------thanks for all the deep insight!! All the factors you mentioned are actually NON-factors for me (stress, cortisol, etc). The only thing that maybe a possibility is that I began PCT around the same time as my GH. So......NO gear right now.

Thanks again!

No problem, just want to help.

But here is another point right here. PCT + HGH is going to decrease the HGH's effectiveness. If you are taking nolva you are lowering the igf-1 potential of the liver. Possibly clomid does this too, but I don't know.

Hope the info helps.

 

["Z"]

No problem, just want to help.

But here is another point right here. PCT + HGH is going ro decrease the HGH's effectiveness. If you are taking nolva you are lowering the igf-1 potential of the liver. Possibly clomid does this too, but I don't know.

Hope the info helps.

Novaldex and Arimidex lower IGF-1 secretion from the liver after exogeneous administration of GH.

Femara and aromasin don't.

Clomid? No clue. But since its a weak estrogen that binds to the ER, it probably lowers IGF-1 secretion as well.

 

[WHACKED1]

Great help here..........thank you both