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Hgh detectability

fredkenstein said:
I need to know if anyone as heard of a new test able to detect the use of growth hormone, since the last olympics.

They don't test for it. You can really only see whether HGH is high by looking at IGF-1 values, and those can range so much that it's really impossible to tell whether someone is taking in endogenous HGH.
 
azul said:
They don't test for it. You can really only see whether HGH is high by looking at IGF-1 values, and those can range so much that it's really impossible to tell whether someone is taking in endogenous HGH.

So when they say that since the last olympics there is now a test, it's bull.
 
fredkenstein said:
So when they say that since the last olympics there is now a test, it's bull.

Who said that?
 
azul said:
Where specifically? Any links?
Sadly no, i just made a lot of search and found articles that said that they had a test, but it would'nt say more. So that's why I keep on searching for info.
 
fredkenstein said:
Sadly no, i just made a lot of search and found articles that said that they had a test, but it would'nt say more. So that's why I keep on searching for info.

I don't know too much about testing, but maybe someone else knows something.

Good luck.
 
Can be tested upto 83 days I believe. At the moment there is only a test for IGF-1 if they know where you injected it.

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"Can be tested upto 83 days I believe. At the moment there is only a test for IGF-1 if they know where you injected it. "


Can you be more specific about igf being detectable ? And how can knowing where you injected help the detection ?
Thanks.
 
There were two guys who used to post here a while ago - Nautica and Monkeyballs who knew quite a bit about IOC testing. You might see if you can't track them down somehow. This is a recreational forum and mostly BBers who aren't subject to any testing whatsoever. If you are subject to IOC testing, you need to get the best info possible. The IOC keeps their protocols under wraps for good reason. They never get explicit. To my knowledge hgh is something they've been trying to work on but I can't say whether or not they've had success. You have to figure some really sharp people are trying to beat them (not necessarily athletes, many governments and their researchers are also involved with helping their athletes around such measures). Look at Bulgaria in the last Olympics, you don't think that many people failed because they couldn't get basic ratios under control - something changed in the testing so when they pre-tested their athletes to ensure they would test clean, I'm guessing they thought they were in the clear.

BTW - what sport/event if you don't mind me asking.
 
Not sure if any of this helps you but a few things I dug up. The first study might give you some idea on what it is they are looking for and then possibly you can back into what you are looking for. Also look at other studies cited in the bibliography. I'd also hit a university library and get the librarian to show you how to search for more recent articles that have cited this and other prominent studies in the field. This is a tough way to go but by learning as much as you can about it you place yourself in a good position.

# Kicman, A.T., Cowan, D.A. (1992). Peptide hormones and sport: misuse and detection. British Medical Bulletin, 48, 496-517.

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In 1989 the Medical Commission of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) introduced the new doping class of 'peptide hormones and analogues,' which include human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG) and related compounds, adrenocorticotrophic hormone (ACTH), human growth hormone (hGH), all the releasing factors of these listed hormones, and erythropoietin (EPO). Currently there are no IOC approved definitive tests for these hormones but highly specific immunoassays combined with suitable purification techniques may be sufficient to warrant IOC approval. The importance of measuring hCG and luteinizing hormone (LH) in the control of testosterone misuse is discussed and strategies for the detection of hGH, ACTH and EPO administration are suggested.

http://www.nature.com/news/2004/040823/pf/nbt0904-1069_pf.html
"The International Olympic Committee (IOC) is on a mission to clean up the image of elite athletes. More Athens Olympians were tested for more substances more often than ever before. Several biotech drugs were among those targeted (Table 1): erythropoietin (EPO), which figured in the ejection of several Olympic hopefuls before the games even started, and recombinant human growth hormone (hGH), for which athletes competing at Athens were the first to be tested. "

"A test for hGH has proven more elusive, as all marketed forms but the very first one (Genentech's Protropin, which contains an N-terminal methionine residue) are identical to the naturally occurring hormone. The anti-doping committee is keeping the details of a newly developed test under wraps and can't say exactly when it will be put into practice (samples collected from athletes in Athens have been stored for later testing). However, some have speculated that indirect effects of hGH on the level of downstream hormones or a skewing of the ratio of naturally occurring growth hormone species might form the basis of the test."
 
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