hGH combined with Test-E/Dbol cycle

[EPROM]

Okay, lets say you have a basic beginner test cycle like this one:

Test-E - 250mg - bi-weekly - 12 weeks
Dbol - 50mg - daily - weeks 1-3
HCG - 250iu - bi-weekly - (starting at week 3)
PCT - (to be determined)

Now you have the option to add hGH into the cycle. I have read some views that hGH should be run as many as 3 months PRIOR to starting a cycle such as posted above. I have also seen posts stating that you can start the cycle and hGH at the same time.

(1) What is the VERY BEST timing and aas combination with hGH? How long do YOU feel it should be run prior to a cycle?

(2) What iu amount should be administered to gain the greatest overall effect without running into the joint issues and other higher-iu dosage sides?

(3) What would be a killer PCT for the above-mentioned cycle?

Birdman

 

[HAYEZ]

Okay, lets say you have a basic beginner test cycle like this one:

Test-E - 250mg - bi-weekly - 12 weeks
Dbol - 50mg - daily - weeks 1-3
HCG - 250iu - bi-weekly - (starting at week 3)
PCT - (to be determined)

Now you have the option to add hGH into the cycle. I have read some views that hGH should be run as many as 3 months PRIOR to starting a cycle such as posted above. I have also seen posts stating that you can start the cycle and hGH at the same time.

(1) What is the VERY BEST timing and aas combination with hGH? How long do YOU feel it should be run prior to a cycle?

(2) What iu amount should be administered to gain the greatest overall effect without running into the joint issues and other higher-iu dosage sides?

(3) What would be a killer PCT for the above-mentioned cycle?

Birdman

if it was mine i would do this

1-10 test e 500
1-6 dbol 50mg ed
hgh start atleast 30 days prior to cycle... 5iu 5on2off run atleast until end of pct but you should run 6months
hcg start when you start noticing atrophy..anywhere from week 2-4 then run it 500iu e3d till 2 days before pct starts
pct
nolva 60mg 7 days
nolva 40mg 14 days

throw in sustain also
all i have ever used is hcg prior and nolva for pct and been good to go...last 2 times threw in sustain and it seemed to work also...good luck

 

[smtimelevi]

be careful with hcg use while running test. It DOES aromaize

 

[EPROM]

if it was mine i would do this

1-10 test e 500
1-6 dbol 50mg ed
hgh start atleast 30 days prior to cycle... 5iu 5on2off run atleast until end of pct but you should run 6months
hcg start when you start noticing atrophy..anywhere from week 2-4 then run it 500iu e3d till 2 days before pct starts
pct
nolva 60mg 7 days
nolva 40mg 14 days

throw in sustain also
all i have ever used is hcg prior and nolva for pct and been good to go...last 2 times threw in sustain and it seemed to work also...good luck

Thanks to hayze and smtimelevi for their feedback.

Can't argue with that cycle plan. 6 weeks of Dbol makes me somewhat nervous, but I can probably "Man up!". I was thinking 4iu HGH, but can move up to 5 iu if overall results c`an be increased. ...It is rather expensive at that dosage, though.

Birdman

 

[access]

HGH and AAS have an incredible synergy when taken together. This primarily comes from HGH's ability to increase levels of IGF which provides anabolic muscle growth by means of hyperplasia. IGF levels are generally raised within 12-16 hours of injection of HGH so seems to me that running the two concurrently is best the method overall.

If perhaps you wanted to take advantage of HGH's ability to burn body fat before a cycle then taking for a month or two before starting would have advantages but if it's just muscle growth your primarily interested in then run the two together from the outset and continue on with your HGH into PCT and beyond for another few months if you can afford it. Running HGH with AAS means you can drop the dose to and still get great benefits. 2-3 iu's daily should be sufficient.

 

[EPROM]

HGH and AAS have an incredible synergy when taken together. This primarily comes from HGH's ability to increase levels of IGF which provides anabolic muscle growth by means of hyperplasia. IGF levels are generally raised within 12-16 hours of injection of HGH so seems to me that running the two concurrently is best the method overall.

If perhaps you wanted to take advantage of HGH's ability to burn body fat before a cycle then taking for a month or two before starting would have advantages but if it's just muscle growth your primarily interested in then run the two together from the outset and continue on with your HGH into PCT and beyond for another few months if you can afford it. Running HGH with AAS means you can drop the dose to and still get great benefits. 2-3 iu's daily should be sufficient.

I'd like to be able to stay under 5iu mainly for cost reasons. If there was a dramatic difference at 5iu I would do it ...but I was really hoping for around 3iu.

This is a tough call because I read that 4iu seems to be the point where new muscle growth begins. I don't know if this is really true, though? I can't find a definite answer on this. Most hgh INFORMATIONAL links (not sources) end up being about oral OTC hgh bullshit and they're trying to sell me a product.

Birdman

 

[access]

If your running HGH on it's own then you need the higher doses most definately for any muscle growth but in tandem with AAS you shouldn't need to go that high. 3iu's daily and you should see good growth from that with 500mgs Test. Some guys can't even run 5iu's anyway due to the pain it causes in joints.

 

[HAYEZ]

I'd like to be able to stay under 5iu mainly for cost reasons. If there was a dramatic difference at 5iu I would do it ...but I was really hoping for around 3iu.

This is a tough call because I read that 4iu seems to be the point where new muscle growth begins. I don't know if this is really true, though? I can't find a definite answer on this. Most hgh INFORMATIONAL links (not sources) end up being about oral OTC hgh bullshit and they're trying to sell me a product.

Birdman

if your expecting any size gains from gh dont use it...you will be very dissapointed...gh is good for keeping fat down while bulking and helping new muscle grow while useing with aas..but alone its worthless...i like 5iu but if cost is a issue do 4...if i could afford it i would try 10 lol

 

[goin on 4T]

Yeah 4IU's per day is good. I think 2IU's in the morning right after you wake up, no food for atleast 30 min 1hr is best. 2IU's immediately post W/O for me than wait 15-30 min then have waxy maize + protien drink.
Good luck

 

[EPROM]

if your expecting any size gains from gh dont use it...you will be very dissapointed...gh is good for keeping fat down while bulking and helping new muscle grow while useing with aas..but alone its worthless...i like 5iu but if cost is a issue do 4...if i could afford it i would try 10 lol

Actually I was "hoping" that by adding HGH to the Test/Dbol cycle I have in the original post would aid in even bigger gains. What I'm gleaning from sources is that there is a certain added effect of the test in combination with the HGH that will aid in bigger gains. Acces calls it a snergistic effect. Some of this info I'm getting is from the various HRT websites (where they are doing it the prescription way) ...but since I'm tantamount to a Noob I just don't know?

Are you saying a Test/Dbol/HGH cycle will yield the same results as a Test/Dbol cycle?

Birdman

 

[EPROM]

if your expecting any size gains from gh dont use it...you will be very dissapointed...gh is good for keeping fat down while bulking and helping new muscle grow while useing with aas..but alone its worthless...i like 5iu but if cost is a issue do 4...if i could afford it i would try 10 lol

Actually I was "hoping" that by adding HGH to the Test/Dbol cycle I have in the original post would aid in even bigger gains. What I'm gleaning from sources is that there is a certain added effect of the test in combination with the HGH that will aid in bigger gains. Access I think calls it a "synergistic effect". Some of this info I'm getting is from the various HRT websites (where they are doing it the prescription way) ...but since I'm tantamount to a Noob I just don't know?

Are you saying a Test/Dbol/HGH cycle will yield the same results as a Test/Dbol cycle?

Birdman

 

[goin on 4T]

Actually I was "hoping" that by adding HGH to the Test/Dbol cycle I have in the original post would aid in even bigger gains. What I'm gleaning from sources is that there is a certain added effect of the test in combination with the HGH that will aid in bigger gains. Access I think calls it a "synergistic effect". Some of this info I'm getting is from the various HRT websites (where they are doing it the prescription way) ...but since I'm tantamount to a Noob I just don't know?

Are you saying a Test/Dbol/HGH cycle will yield the same results as a Test/Dbol cycle?

Birdman

Birdman:
What he is saying is that adding GH will give you quality size, but know phenominal. The test will give you water wieght GH is great for leaning out and adding tight muscle. If you want to get major growth on your cycle than the 2-4IU's per day is not going to get you there, now if you are talking 5-10IU's per day that is another story. What I would recomend you do is get some IGF-1 LR-3 to go with the Test/Dbot/GH then you will get great muscle gain.
I am amazed at who little play IGF gets on this board. I have a BBer budy that after some time started taking IGF. He waited until after the show because he heard it will bloat. I told him that was crazy but whatever. He won the show and that is another story. So 2 weeks after the show he ran one 1000mcg bottle of IGF, just 30mcgs/side immediately post WO. He was amazed at how much muscle he was still putting on 6 weeks after slowing down his WO. He thought he would actually loose 15lbs after the show and he is amazed.

 

[HAYEZ]

Actually I was "hoping" that by adding HGH to the Test/Dbol cycle I have in the original post would aid in even bigger gains. What I'm gleaning from sources is that there is a certain added effect of the test in combination with the HGH that will aid in bigger gains. Access I think calls it a "synergistic effect". Some of this info I'm getting is from the various HRT websites (where they are doing it the prescription way) ...but since I'm tantamount to a Noob I just don't know?

Are you saying a Test/Dbol/HGH cycle will yield the same results as a Test/Dbol cycle?

Birdman

no gh will def help add mass mixed with aas...i was meaning not alone...my current cycle is test/deca/tren/gh best of everything!