HGH and Insulin (Ironmaster)

[PerfectRep]

I started GH on Wednesday, 4IU a day split into 2 doses 5 on 2 off, and I feel groggy after my shots. Am I feeling the effects of insulin resistance already? Should I throw in some slin or will my body adjust? I don't want to use slin unless absolutely necessary, because I put on alot of fat with past experience with slin (my diet was low in fat).

 

[bignuts]

have you checked your sugar levels when you are feeling groggy after your injection

 

[2EZ2BRICH]

bump...!

would love to hear the big guy reply. i also used 4iu/day but did not experience any adverse affects. i did eat every 2-3hrs.


2ez

 

[nyflex]

Ive been on the GH for a week now. I started using Slin about a week before so I could work my way up .. I'm know doing 20 IU's a day of slin. I notice about 2 hours after my slin shot I get droggy but I just get moving and it goes away.. If I sit then I'm definately out.. GH 5 days on 2 off at 4 IU's a day split into 2 equal dosages. When should I feel somthing from this combination? I use cell tech immediately following the Slin shots after my workout. I'm also combining Test ,,Deca,, D-bol,, t-3 with this cycle.. Shit 2 weeks and I blew up 10 lbs allready..
Most from the D-bol though..

 

[2EZ2BRICH]

i felt my GH around the 4th week. the T3 made me a little ill so i dropped it. nice results NYflex.

2ez

 

[ironmaster]

Sorry, I'm laid up with the friggin flu and just saw this. I always recommend some fast insulin with GH for this reason.
It could also be a natural bodily reaction to the exogenous GH. We release the most of our naturally produced GH during the first two hours of deep sleep.......you may take a little time to adjust....your body thinks you should be in bed when that big influx hits. Hey, take a nap.....that's when you grow anyway. I take a siesta after workouts and my injections everyday.....my woman thinks i'm lazy.....tough shit, she digs the beef.
Try the insulin......humalog if you can get it, humulin-r if not. Start light....maybe 4iu with your GH and work up to 10. If you like the results, 10 in the AM and 10 in the late afternoon.
If you want to try out the sleep thing...just once, take your GH before bed....you will sleep like the dead, with vivid dreams. Unfortunately, this suppresses the natural GH release, so don't make a habit of it.

 

[M.O.D]

.....my woman thinks i'm lazy.....tough shit, she digs the beef.

 

[PerfectRep]

Sorry, I'm laid up with the friggin flu and just saw this. I always recommend some fast insulin with GH for this reason.
It could also be a natural bodily reaction to the exogenous GH. We release the most of our naturally produced GH during the first two hours of deep sleep.......you may take a little time to adjust....your body thinks you should be in bed when that big influx hits. Hey, take a nap.....that's when you grow anyway. I take a siesta after workouts and my injections everyday.....my woman thinks i'm lazy.....tough shit, she digs the beef.
Try the insulin......humalog if you can get it, humulin-r if not. Start light....maybe 4iu with your GH and work up to 10. If you like the results, 10 in the AM and 10 in the late afternoon.
If you want to try out the sleep thing...just once, take your GH before bed....you will sleep like the dead, with vivid dreams. Unfortunately, this suppresses the natural GH release, so don't make a habit of it.

Thanks bro. I may throw in some slin. 4IU is enough?

 

[M.O.D]

4 units is perfect...gh that is

 

[ironmaster]

Maybe, man.....everyones different. That's just a starting place. I wouldn't want you firing up 10+ iu to start and going comatose. Work up one iu a day.......make sure to take in 10 grams carbs for each iu of insulin about 15 min. after injecting. You won't get fat unless you eat fat during the active period.
I use 10iu in the AM and 10 iu in the PM with GH split doses. Insulin gives me another 6 to 8 quality pounds on a cycle, and I know I'm getting the most out of the GH, as well.

 

[M.O.D]

ironmaster,

no shit bro you are missing your call...you should write a book on the use of aas/gh and longevity..shit i have have enough to dough to back it....i know i'm always looking for new books out on the subject but only finding garbage....

 

[ironmaster]

MOD, how are you? Getting better? I miss seeing you around.
I'm still digging through the research on GH.....maybe I'll try to summarize it someday. You know, there is good research going clear back to the 1950's on GH......some of the old stuff is better. It's aimed at athletes, not HIV patients.

 

[M.O.D]

MOD, how are you? Getting better? I miss seeing you around.
I'm still digging through the research on GH.....maybe I'll try to summarize it someday. You know, there is good research going clear back to the 1950's on GH......some of the old stuff is better. It's aimed at athletes, not HIV patients.

im sorry to say im feeling like shit..i cant get a straight answer out of these fucking doctors..so far i lost about 60% vision in my right eye but whats giving me the most problems is this herniated disc..i cant even bend down to tie my shoes and i dont know what to do about it....its a constant burn in my left hip area shooting down my leg..


hey and im serious about writing a book...let me know if this is something you would consider...

 

[ironmaster]

You know what, MOD, I have always said that I felt GH strengthened the immune system in old turds like me. I decided to take a little break, been off over a month........and I have the nastiest case of flu! Been down for days. I haven't been sick, even a cold in years.....guess what I'm firing up.
Those injuries are a real bitch, there friend......have you gotten second/third opinions? A specialist fixed my son's eye injury back to 20/20 after the first said it couldn't be done. Best back/hip guy is Dr. Byrd in Nashville.....all the NFL goes to him.

 

[td24]

Whats up fellas! Ironmaster, I know you are a busy man. Could you drop me an email sometime? I need to talk to you about my contest goodies? By the way, are you from Nashville??

 

[animal B]

have to drop in on this conversation..MOD try a chiropractor first..one that incooperates traction.....
in 2 weeks I will be starting this cycle with the help of ironmaster of course..
6ius gh 5 days on 2 days off for 4 months
10ius slin for 6 weeks 5ius in the morning and 5ius after workouts
800mg test per week
primobolan 400mg or anavar(an anabolic) for 10 weeks
this sound ok

 

[M.O.D]

have to drop in on this conversation..MOD try a chiropractor first..one that incooperates traction.....
in 2 weeks I will be starting this cycle with the help of ironmaster of course..
6ius gh 5 days on 2 days off for 4 months
10ius slin for 6 weeks 5ius in the morning and 5ius after workouts
800mg test per week
primobolan 400mg or anavar(an anabolic) for 10 weeks
this sound ok

sounds very clean...and i like the fact you will be running the G for 4 months.....perfecto

 

[StoneColdGold]

Hey M.O.D.-- I have degenerative disk disease, so I feel your pain. My old man's was getting REAL bad (occasional use of a wheelchair), and he had surgery to fix it. It was a huge success. The guy who did it was Dr. Shogan. He's based at the Rose Medical Center in Denver, in case its closer to you than Nashville and you want to look it up. Good luck man.

I just read animal B's reply... if your herniation is an acute injury then a chiropracter will not help. it will probably make it worse.

 

[td24]

Animal B, let me know how that goes for you. By the way, congrats on your contest!!

 

[GAINSEEKER]

[.. I'm know doing 20 IU's a day of slin. I notice about 2 hours after my slin shot I get droggy but I just get moving and it goes away.. If I sit then I'm definately out.. GH 5 days on 2 off at 4 IU's a day split into 2 equal dosages. When should I feel somthing from this combination? I use cell tech immediately following the Slin shots after my workout. I'm also combining Test ,,Deca,, D-bol,, t-3 with this cycle.. Shit 2 weeks and I blew up 10 lbs allready..
Most from the D-bol though.. [/B]

Damn bros if your feeling droggy then your sugar levels are way to low !!!! I shoot 15iu 2xday on training days 2 weeks on 1 off.
I take HUM R wich gives me plenty of time ( as fast as 30min and peaks around 1-2 hours) to get carbs in me.
I fix a drink of Designer whey 35 mg protein, 5 garms of Glutimine powder, 5gm of creatine and a scoop (which should make a quart) of powdered gaterade.
plenty of dextrose in the gaterade to get the creatine in the muscle and I have no proublems with low levels.
Also I will never understand why bros are taking slin and not getting a meter.

I WILL SAY THIS IF ANYONE NEEDS A FREE METER LET ME KNOW AND I WILL SEND ONE. I HAVE ACCESS TO LOTS OF THEM.



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2 IS NOT A WINNER AND
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[Oni]

Have any of you used slin for a quick push into ketosis?I have a good article on it and was wondering if anybody else have tried it.

 

[ironmaster]

Good point made by gainseeker.....that grogginess is experienced by guys using GH without insulin due to de-sensitivity downregulaton, and also by those using insulin who let their sugar get too low. Even something like cell-tech or carbofuel at 15 to 30 min. out will fix that. I add creatine and protein to Carbofuel at 15 min after reading a recent study that showed better gains by those incorporating protein in their carb drink while using insulin.

***Animal B doesn't need my help.......he is a TOP competitor, for those who don't know him. Has been around the board for a long, long time....should be a moderator, and has an impecible reputation. I love this guy like a brother, and you should see his squeeze! About time you went with the GH/insulin, bro.......Pro Card for you! let me know when you are ready. I like the plan a lot. "B" is a perfect example of what can be accomplished without using massive amounts of steroids, MOD. His cycles are always well planned and mild by most standards, but his diet and training are second to none....and he WINS. "B", we have been friends a long time, I know you can see the difference in my physique with GH/insulin even in that avatar.....always had mass, but i'm way more ripped now.
***TD is also a statuesque competitor......outstanding balenced physique. Those who seek to compete can learn much from these guys. I'll be in touch, TD.

 

[johnboy]

Throw in some T-3

when you are on insulin it eats up carbs and sugars so if you don't have enough in your system when you go to bed it could eat up all the carbs and leave none for your brain. This could easily set you into a coma. GH is for experienced users, I'm not even experienced enough to want to f### with it. I will hit it after about a year. Good luck !