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HEY, YOU.. do you USE CLEnBUTEROL???

bicepts101 said:
why were u takin keto a night as opposed to during the day...keto recharges your adrenal glands

It doesn't matter when you take the Keto.. it will still work.. and it doesn't "recharge" your adrenal glands.. it upregulates the receptors that long term use of clen downregulates.. there are plenty of studies that show this fact.. so you can use clen for a near indefinate amount of time without any recepter degredation.. anyway.. i especially took Keto at night because side effects are extreme drowsiness and hunger.. and believe me.. Keto WILL make you sleep.. sometimes too much.. and it can induce severe hunger.. not good while your cutting.. but if you take it at night.. you reduce those effects and it still works.. makes sense huh?..
 
bicepts101 said:
good fat burner....very catabolic....better than ephedrine

how exactly is it better than efedrine bro??

clen totally kills energy levels, causes severe shaking, and sometimes has no affect on users (some dont respond well even to high doses of clen).

efedrine on the other hand, raises energy levels, increases strength and blood volume (thus some serious pumps), it also burns subcutaneous fat which makes the user look shredded.

the major downfall of efedrine is the crash after discontinuing use.
but comparing the two is like comparing the new 530 to a honda civic.. clen being that civic. :)
 
Bro .. i was going to post this in a new thread, but I will post it here for you. Here is my little story of what happened to me this past Sunday, and my little trip to the ER because of my own stupidity with Clen.

I posted this on MuscleNexus for some advice. Lots of great bros, and a few doctors even over there... This was posted Sunday afternoon.

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I need some help here guys, I am really freaked out. I just took 500mcg of clen by accident. I thought that it was var, as was trying to take 50mg of var, when really it was clen. They are both liqued and I have them both in the exact same bottles. The clen has a label on it, while the var is just in blank clear glass bottles, but I just woke up and wasnt paying attention. This is my own fuckin carelessness, I know, but I asam very serious about this, I have never felt this fucked up in my life.

This is very strong clen, and the highest i have ever went with it, was 120mcg. I never went any higher, because I hated the sides,well .. here I am now on 500mcg of the stuff, and I am not doing to good. I am vibrating like a fucking vibrator, and can barely type this message. The worst though is my heart. This is what is scaring me right now. It is pounding so freakin hard, i can actually see it pounding in my chest. I can also feel it pounding in my head very hard too. I am also sweating like a freakin pig, and vision seems a little blurry, (I am hoping this is cause I just woke up). I dont have a thermometer, but I feel like a freakin inferno. This is what I always visioned dnp to look like.

Anyways, the thought has crossed my mind that I should take a trip into the hospital. Mainly because of my heart. Its just creeping me out, and because I of it, I think that I am having some pretty big anxiousnous and paranoia creeping in. Am I over reacting here or should I be going to the doc? Can they give me anything for this? I just want it gone. Is there anything I can take to help with this? I really dont want to go to the doc and tell him what a freakin stupid thing I just did, but .. at the same time I am home alone and really dont want my heart to explode. I was going to call my X who is a nurse, but she wont even know what clen is, and she will want me to go to the doc for sure.

Guys I have taken a lot of shit before in my day, and have been really messed up before, I even OD''d on mushrooms when I was 17, but i have never felt his fuckin weird before, and never so paranoid about my heart. Someone please tell me they have taken clen at this dose before. Tell me I dont have to go to the doc, cause I really dont want to. For fuck sakes, I was supposed to go X-mass shopping with my girl this afternoon then to dinner at her parents place, this evening, but that just aint going to happen. I was also supposed to take 50mg of var, and 600mg of EQ today as well, but I am not touching anything til I am back to normal. Does anyone have any advice? I am getting a huge cramp in my abdomen as i type this right now, and it feels like I have to have a big shit!!! I am scared to go do this, cause when I go to move a lot my head starts pounding hard!!!

My temp plan besides going to the doc, was to go eat some carbs, I was thinking a sweet potato, and drink 1 litre of water, then just lay down with a wet cloth on my forhead for the rest of the day, til things get a little better. Maybe even a cold shower. Do you guys think i should take an aspirin or tylenol?? Please give me some feedback. I was led to believe that clen lasts for 35 hrs? Not looking forward to today at all.

Mavy
 
I like eca and clen. However with clen when I discontinued use the 2%bf I lost would come back within a few weeks. I also eat very clean and keep my calories around 3,000 per day when cutting.
 
So ... then the docs and mods and everyone urged me to go to the hospital .. so finally I did. Here is what happened.

Posted on Sunday night when I got back from the ER.


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Damn, thanks for the support there guys. Just got back from 8 hrs at the hospital. 4 hrs waiting, then 4 hours being treated. Definately not how I had planned to spend the day.

2thick, funny you should mention that. Right after I posted this hear I called poison control and told them what i took and how much. They looked it up, and told me to go immediately to the hospital. I told him that it wasnt that bad, and he said you can die from high dosages of clen. Well .. that was enough to freak me right the fuck right out! My best friend, and only friend in my city who I am open about juicing with came and picked me up, he couldnt believe what happened. I just wanted to get to the hospital before my heart stopped. It was in my head that my heart was going to explode!! I have never felt paranoia, or anxiety before in my life, and to tell you the truth, I always thought that this was in peoples heads and not even real ... just because I havent had it . .. well i tell you i sure had it today. To top things off, as soon as I got to the hospital, I got out of the car, and puked my guts up!!! My eggs and black beans, and toast. It was a good puke, and I could feel it coming on the whole ride there, but I dont know if it was from the clen, or the anxxiety, the doc said probably a combo of both!

Anywhoo, lunkhead, bigoc and Dr.M, you guys nailed it, thats exactly what happened. As soon as I went in, they sent me to the administration nurse, I told her my story, that I accidently took my roomates clen, thinking it was something else. She started asking me details, then said .. ""now your changing your story"", she was a real cold bitch. I was super fuckin mad, just finished puking and scared. I told her, listen... I accidently took medication that I wasnt supposed to take. This is what it is, this is how much I took, this is what the regular dosage usually is, and this is how long ago I took it. Can we please focus on helping me instead of pointing fingers. I am not up for being questioned or challenged on this right now. My gestures and tone made it quite clear to her to not bring it up again. She nodded her head, and told me to come around where she checked my pulse and BP etc. She then told me to go wait until a bed was available. 2 hrs later (watched the whole Night at the Roxbury movie while waiting in the waiting room), a different nurse called me in for more questioning, and more tests. She told me again to go and have a seat, and she would call me when a bed was available. This time watched the whole Ace Ventura pet detective movie while waiting and a bit of football. Finally I said fuck this, I am not waiting any longer and I got up to go tell them to see me now, or I am leaving. I figured it couldnt be that bad if they let me wait for so long. Well as soon as I stood up, they called me.

Went in to a bed, a NEW nurse came, I told her the whole story. She was awesome, and didnt question anything, either did the docs, I was impressed. Anyways, she took my pulse and BP again. Then later the doc came in. He had never heard of Clen before, so I told him that it was a beta-2 antagonist, and it was an asmatic medication and a bronciodialator. I also told him that it was a cns stimulant. I told me everything actually, that it was being used as a performance enhancer among atheletes. He actually seemed very interested like he was learning something. He asked me a few questions. I was very level headed by now, and we had a normal conversation. He went to look up the drug with their drug team or whatever it was called to find out all the info that he needed (basically I pictured him going and doing a google search, lol). In the meantime they came and and did an ECG on my heart to check for abnormalitites. They took two of them. No abnormalities, but my heart was very fast, which was quite obvious. I was also shaking all day, and they could tell it was so obvious, my hands were vibrating, and even my jaw was vibrating like when you are cold.

So the doc came back, and told me he found all the info he needed. He told me that this medicine was only used in Europe. I was like hmm really, thats weird, i wonder how my friend got it in Canada? He goes ... well ... it is available in Canada, but it used on Farm Animals! I said no way!!! He said we have similar meds for humans, but we dont use clen in Canada, vecause of how long it lasts. He then did a bunch of physical tests on me, tested my senses, and reflexes, and for pain in certain areas. Then he decided to take blood from me. I was creeped out because I thought that the EQ would somehow show up, after I swore to him that I wasnt taking anything. He specifically asked me if was taking any steroids earlier. I said no, then he goes .. are you sure? I said, ya i am sure .. then get this, he goes ... no Deca or anything? I couldnt believe it, but I said no, never heard of it. Why would he suspect Deca? It seemed like that was the only steroid name he must have heard of or something, and wanted to see my reaction.

Anyways, to make a long story short, I got the beta blockers. My blood also was extremely low in potassium so they infused me with potassium, which actually kinda made me feel better. I still feel a little sketchy, and I am sure I am just gonna have to ride this out. I am going to eat (SUPER hungry right now), and the biggest thing i feel right now, ... is completely DRAINED!!!! Very tired and wiped. I almost couldnt make it walking up the 3 flights of stairs to get to my place!

Moral of the story here bros, is dont be a freakin idiot like me! Learn from others mistakes and make sure you know what you are takin. I know this is usually a no brainer, but be carefull if you are homebrewing stuff and have different things around with no labels etc. Just take extra caution cause you never know when some simple little mixup like this could happen. The scary thing is that i was planning on bumping my var dosage up to 80mg this week. THANK THE LORD that I didnt do it today, or it would have been 800mcg of clen instead of 500mcg. This was definately an eye opener for me. I for one am never touching clen agian! I hate the shit ... even at 100mcg I hate it, and at 500mcg i REALLY freakin hate it! I am even contemplating if I should go ahead with my cycle. Its only a var+EQ cutter, but i am a little shaken up over this whole episode. I am sure I will be fine if I be carefull what the hell I am doing!!! The doc even told me to take it easy for the next few days, no gym or anything. He says the heart needs rest just like any other muscle does, and he says that my heart today had the equivalant working of running a marathon!!!

Anywhoo, off to eat, then crash. Damn what a crappy day. Thanks again for the support and feedback guys, I really do appreciate it. Its good to know you can get some quality advice and feedback from folks on a board like this.

Take Care (and i mean it)
Mavy
 
The moral of the story is .. I will never touch the stuff again. Even when I took it at a normal dosage, it was the wrost thing ever. And it didnt do shit for me. T-rex worked much better. It made me tired, shakey, and paranoid.

The weirdest thing about when I accidently took the 500mcg ... was that it felt like I was on an acid trip or something. Like hyper-reality, and I felt like I wasnt even myself. I was also convinced that my heart was going to explode! Nothing wore than sitting in a waiting room when you feel like that. I almost lost it!

Mavy

p.s. remember to start out low if you are going to try it. Read BA69's Clen FAQ thread, lots of good info in there.
 
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