Hey Fonz! Got a question.

[strengthfiend]

Fonz, I remember you talking about a Tren Suspension for athletes just wondering if it's still an option. And how do you make a suspension with tren.

Thanks

 

[Andy13]

Do you mean un-esterified tren? I'm interested in hearing what the Fonz has to say about this as well..

 

[strengthfiend]

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[Fonz]

Do you mean un-esterified tren? I'm interested in hearing what the Fonz has to say about this as well..

According to a un-named person, Supra Labs is coming out with
a version of tern containing suspension+acetate. 100mg/ml too.

So yes, it exists. Finally.

Fonz

 

[strengthfiend]

Fonz I was referring to the "athletes and steroids" post when you discussed tren with no-ester as a alternative to using just test suspension for tested athletes.

Thanks

 

[strengthfiend]

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[superchicken]

to make trenbolone no ester, simply use a synovex kit. this will strip the ester off.

keep in mind if you convert 1000mg of tren acetate to tren no ester, youll only be left with about 870mg of tren, due to the weight of the ester being cleaved off. (this assumes a zero loss experiment, which is not gonna happen) so the acetate ester takes up 13% of the weight.

if your basing your dose on what amounts of tren you would normally have taken, you could kinda disregard that fact, as 1000mg of tren acetate is also only 870mg of trenbolone.

 

[strengthfiend]

Superchicken thanks for the response. I have the tren with no-ester but how do you suspend it. And why is it that this doesn't show on a drug test.

Thanks

 

[mike1107]

According to a un-named person, Supra Labs is coming out with
a version of tern containing suspension+acetate. 100mg/ml too.

So yes, it exists. Finally.

Fonz

what do you think about supra labs products ?

 

[spentagn]

what do you think about supra labs products ?

Great reviews, with some great backing.

 

[Andy13]

I still don't understand why one would prefer no-ester tren over TA... Unless the reason is b/c of drug tests and detectability.. which I don't know much about.

Andy

 

[Fonz]

what do you think about supra labs products ?

Damn good.

I'm planning on doing 100-200mg on WO days of the new Tren suspension.

Fonz

 

[superchicken]

im not exactly sure on the soluablility of tren no ester, but i would assume its not as easy to suspend as tren acetate, as ester make things more lipid soluable, and thats why we use oil to put it in.

but since tren acetate is relatively easy to get all the way up to 200mg/ml, and it being a shorter ester than propionate(which isnt easy to get to 200mg/ml), id assume 100mg/ml shouldnt be a problem.

heres some instructions on various things, compliments of user basskiller.

http://www.elitefitness.com/members/basskiller/test_powders.html

for what your doing, assuming you want 100mg/ml, try this for every 10ml.

dump 1 g powder into vial
add .5ml ba
fill the rest with oil till you get to 10ml total volume.
mix and heat to aid mixing, then let cool.

this should suspend it just fine. if you fina the tren crashes out after it cools, add another .5ml of ba to the mixture. then you will be at 10% ba wich is still painless for most people.

worst case scenario you may have to add slightly more ba, and cause some pain or discomfort, but imo i really doubt youll need to go over 10% ba to keep things mixed.



but personally i like the acetate ester, even shooting everyday with the tren no ester your levels will fluctuate more, while the acetate ester will keep your levels much smoother.

 

[Andy13]

im not exactly sure on the soluablility of tren no ester, but i would assume its not as easy to suspend as tren acetate, as ester make things more lipid soluable, and thats why we use oil to put it in.

but since tren acetate is relatively easy to get all the way up to 200mg/ml, and it being a shorter ester than propionate(which isnt easy to get to 200mg/ml), id assume 100mg/ml shouldnt be a problem.

heres some instructions on various things, compliments of user basskiller.

http://www.elitefitness.com/members/basskiller/test_powders.html

for what your doing, assuming you want 100mg/ml, try this for every 10ml.

dump 1 g powder into vial
add .5ml ba
fill the rest with oil till you get to 10ml total volume.
mix and heat to aid mixing, then let cool.

this should suspend it just fine. if you fina the tren crashes out after it cools, add another .5ml of ba to the mixture. then you will be at 10% ba wich is still painless for most people.

worst case scenario you may have to add slightly more ba, and cause some pain or discomfort, but imo i really doubt youll need to go over 10% ba to keep things mixed.



but personally i like the acetate ester, even shooting everyday with the tren no ester your levels will fluctuate more, while the acetate ester will keep your levels much smoother.

Without the ester, there's no reason to 'suspend' it in oil. You could add a massive load of BA and get it to 'dissolve' rather than be in suspension, but, again, no ester= no point in having it 'dissolved.'

And I agree with you about the acetate ester over no-ester.. In the words of Brock Strasser, "steroids without esters suck."

Andy

 

[strengthfiend]

The bonus is...

The reason the tren no-ester would be a bonus is the ability to shoot it hours before a tested competition. I believe Fonz said like six hours. So it would be a water-based product, but I don't know how to suspend it. Or whether or not this is true. It's not like I want to go on well I hope this is true and then test positive.

Thanks

 

[Andy13]

Re: The bonus is...

The reason the tren no-ester would be a bonus is the ability to shoot it hours before a tested competition. I believe Fonz said like six hours. So it would be a water-based product, but I don't know how to suspend it. Or whether or not this is true. It's not like I want to go on well I hope this is true and then test positive.

Thanks

You probably misunderstood Fonz... There's no way you could shoot tren 6hrs before a drug test and not fail it.

If anyone feels I'm incorrect, enlighten me, please.

Andy

 

[strengthfiend]

This is the quote...

Good points. Only one further thing to post.

Normal epi-testosterone:testosterone ratio is 6:1
Anyhting higher and you test positive. That is when
they test you for METABOLITES.

When your ratio is VERY LOW i.e you're using
progestins. They will test for progestins and nail you
bacause of Deca.

However, FINA DOES not cause a huge imbalance because
it is VERY short acting. In 1 week your ratio could be
1:1 or even 2:1 after cessation of the Fina,which woud then
render the steroid undetectable.
And, since it has NO PROGESTENIC metabolites you don't
have the tell-tale deca signature.

You'd have to be VERY, VERY sharp to catch somebody
using trenbolone.



That was a post by Fonz

So I'm still wondering about if the looked at the problem or not.

Thanks

 

[strengthfiend]

and another..

And the NEW BEST AAS.

3. TRENBOLONE SUSPENSION!!!!

Instead of getting Finaplix-H, get a hold of trenbolone
powder(un-estered), and convert it into a
water-based injectable. Makes test. suspension
look like an ant.
Can actually be used DURING a comp because
EPT:ET ratios remain < 6:1 and > 1:1.
However, it takes time to see with what dosage
you can get away with.


Fonz

So there must be something to this.

Thanks

 

[Andy13]

I'd like to hear from guys who have used fina 6hrs before a comp and passed a drug test.

 

[Fonz]

I'd like to hear from guys who have used fina 6hrs before a comp and passed a drug test.

Yeah. Me too. LOL

4 days before. Thats my guess which i will try to
corroborate soon.

It would be harder to detect than test. suspension IMO.

It still very new. More data to follow.

Fonz

 

[strengthfiend]

So 4 days you think might be safe then for the tren suspension and how long could you run test suspension before a contest. What's the easiest way to make the test or tren suspension? Thanks

 

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[Flash_75]

forgive my ignorance, but wouldnt you need an operational HPTA to get those kind of epi/test ratios?

 

[Corleone]

According to a un-named person, Supra Labs is coming out with
a version of tern containing suspension+acetate. 100mg/ml too.

So yes, it exists. Finally.

Fonz

Actually it's going to be 100mg/ml tren suspension. They'll have a seperate 100mg/ml tren acetate. . .so you get your choice. tren suspension would be good for athletes who have to test.

 

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[strengthfiend]

Perhaps I would get more responses if I asked if I could run dbol with anadrol or how do I get rid of these pointy nips or squishy pecs.

 

[strengthfiend]

Will one amp of primo every two weeks along with 10 5mg pink thai dbol constitute a good cycle.

Thanks