Help with this deca cycle please

[Haminator]

I had this in the PCT forum and was told to post this here.

Alright, I hope some people can clear some things up for me.

I know that I will get chewed out for this, but my plan was - and I did - a deca only cycle. Well plus some orals.

I was a bit apprehensive about injecting so I started dbol at 40 mg a day for about three weeks hoping for decent gains. Other than bloat, I really wasn't seeing much strengthwise. So at week three I started the deca at 330 mg a week, plus I kept the dbol for about four more weeks.

This is what I don't get, by about week three of the deca, my weight was up by about 18 pounds and I was weighing in at 222. After that, my weight just didn't budge. I believe that my diet was adequate, I have been eating potatos, rice, fish and chicken breast, also been supplementing these bigger meals with PBandJ sandwiches (on wheat) also with my usual 60 gram protein shakes at least twice a day.

My plan was to do the deca for eight weeks, at around week six to seven I got a little sick and completely lost my appetite. My strength has remained, however I lost the half inch I had put on my arms, it disapeared so fast and it's really buming me out.

I have not been happy with this cycle, people have been commenting to me like crazy that I am getting big, but I don't see it, especially after my arms shrank. My bench has really not gone up by much, I was at 205 for four reps, all I can say is that i went to 215 for about six reps. I was hoping to blow past 225. Although I have seen better strength gains on my legs biceps and shoulders, but again, nothing major. I must also say that I have been busting out pullups far better, and they have always been a bitch to me. But really, i was hoping to gain a lot more since it is obvious that you will lose some when you come off.

Having trained for ten years before AAS, is it possible that this dose just wasn't enough?

As for sides, I have had none. no deca dick, not a hint. My boys may have shrunk a little, but it really doesn't seem like it. One day I'll think they shrank and the next they seem bigger, so i really don't know.

SO, I am asking for some advice. I have another bottle of deca, plus a bottle of test cyp on the way. The deca is a different brand from what I was using, so i am not sure of what to expect.

Should I continue this cycle for 4 to 6 more weeks, or should I just cut my losses and end it? I wouldn't be able to cycle again until I was in school, which I don't like doing.

This is what I have on hand for PCT: clomid 30 tabs at 50mg, nolva 60 tabs at 20mg
I really don't have the money for hcg or an AI. Besides that, my store is all out of hcg.

I guess that the main thing that bothers me is that if I continue the cycle further, especially if i add test, that I may end up with testicular atrophy and have a really hard PCT.

If I did continue, I was looking at deca at 400mg for 5 weeks and test at 350mg for 6 weeks.

All help would be appreciated.

I would like to clarify that I have the other bottle of deca in hand. Test is supposed to be here by memorial day.

Plus, this is in the PCT forum because I was curious as to what my PCT should look like with what I have on hand.

 

[dmessina7]

hey whatsup. ok. first of why is it that u started a deca only cycle? Actually, before i get to that what are your goals? strength? bulk? i assume its not cutting... (dbols and deca) Age? Height? estimated bf?

U said you were about 205lbs before u cycled and u were only benching 210 for 4 which isnt consistent with ur ten year working out claim. But thats just speculation on my part.

From what im reading right now I would say stop what your doing and save what gear u have. U can't afford an AI or a real effective pct (hcg, hcgenerate) then u really shouldnt be doing this. Now back to my question... who told u to do a deca only cycle? Whoever it was never listen to this person again and before you consider cycling again come here first. We will tell u what u need. I would recommend a test only cycle for your first time around. You will feel much better, u will see much better gains and with an effective pct you will be able to keep most if not all of the gains u have gotten.

PS if u do insist on running your current cycle run more test then deca. not visa versa. 400mg test 300mg deca would be more then plenty for a first cycle. Make sure u find some hcg. RXhealthdrugs.com and needto should have everything you need for pct.

 

[Haminator]

I don't see many guys at the gym go past 225 on bench unless they are juicing or constantly working with a partner. I don't have a workout buddy. just me, about five hours a week, not counting cardio.

As for deca only, it's what I wanted to do. I did a lot, LOT of reading, and from what I saw, people that actually had experience with a deca/dbol cycle posted good recommendations. The only people that I saw bashing it were one's that had never done it, and in my opinion, they were just repeating the company line.

I haven't had a hint of the infamous deca dick, and no shrinking balls. Kind of makes me wonder about the the quality(strength), but I never found a bad report on the brand I chose.

All and all though, I am not happy with this cycle, and am leaning more towards just test next time, if there is a next time.

 

[d_rson]

I'm not sure where you read all this, but a simple search on "deca only" on this board alone conjures up a ton of reading that is completely contrary to your experience.
This thread is a good example:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/dbol-test-deca-302474.html
There are a couple guys in there that had good results from deca/dbol, yes. But the MAJORITY did not. There are also alot of posts about deca dick, and deca and gyno, etc.

Also the fact that you started the thread with "I know that I will get chewed out for this, but my plan was - and I did - a deca only cycle" indicates you yourself knew it wasn't the best idea.

I'm not sure why you decided a deca only cycle was "what you wanted" when you have never run the compound and have no idea what it will do for you. What were your goals?

I would also question your gear, as 3 weeks in on 40mg dbol and nothing to show for it, hmm. although I think you lost your size in week 6 of deca because you dropped the dbol earlier, and you started losing your water retention from the deca/dbol combo (since it was only deca at that point).

 

[d_rson]

Also, I can't imagine extending your cycle would be any good for you. If I am understanding this, you went 3 week dbol only, then 8 weeks deca with some dbol. That's 11 weeks of a cycle. You need to come off, go into PCT, wait it out...

As well, if you strength didn't go up, and you didn't grow much other than water, you need to get your diet and training in check before doing another cycle. Something was amiss. And chances are, if you do that, you might not need AAS...

 

[stevesmi]

I don't see many guys at the gym go past 225 on bench unless they are juicing or constantly working with a partner. I don't have a workout buddy. just me, about five hours a week, not counting cardio.

As for deca only, it's what I wanted to do. I did a lot, LOT of reading, and from what I saw, people that actually had experience with a deca/dbol cycle posted good recommendations. The only people that I saw bashing it were one's that had never done it, and in my opinion, they were just repeating the company line.

I haven't had a hint of the infamous deca dick, and no shrinking balls. Kind of makes me wonder about the the quality(strength), but I never found a bad report on the brand I chose.

All and all though, I am not happy with this cycle, and am leaning more towards just test next time, if there is a next time.

really not true that you cant do more then 225 without roids. huge myth there. i was doing 245 and weighed only 155 before i touched steroids. and i wasn't even lifting very much. doing a lot of cardio at the time. and taking absolutely nothing, no supps at all.

you can do deca alone, as long as you don't have a gf who is gonna annoy you for sex all the time. although i personally would never do it without test.

 

[Haminator]

Alright, I suppose that it has actually been an eleven week cycle. I will come off and try again. I did do a dbol only cycle a year ago, and that's why I don't think that the dbol was doing much this time. I really didn't want to take it over 50mg a day because around there, I just start to feel very lethargic and generally not good.

Although I had the same experience with my past dbol cycle as I did this time, where I tend to make most of my weight and strength gains early on, and then not much else afterward. So in the future, I think I will try a short 4 to 6 week cycle with short esters.

I wonder if my drop in mass had to do with me starting up three days of cardio after school let out. It was around the same time.

 

[Haminator]

As far as my goals go, I just want to get bigger. Mainly want to add size to my arms. I don't need to be huge, I would be happy with an inch on my arms as right now I am at 16". I have tried so many different ways to bring them up, to no avail.

I really got good on my nutrition starting about two years ago, besides classes I'm taking, I also talk to different gym members. My nutrition did help me out a lot for a while, but only took me so far.

Also, I love how someone still makes a post about deca dick despite the fact that I have not had this side.

Furthermore, I have read in articles that deca is a good alternative to those wishing to avoid the side effects of test.

My stats when I started were around 205 lbs with about 13% body fat.
on the dbol only I went up to about 215, but my weight always fluctuates very much on dbol, when I added the deca, I went to 222 and then it just sat there. Since I got sick and didn't eat much, I can actually tell my BF% went down, and I am weighing about 218 right now.

Strength was great yesterday. I've had nothing but awesome workouts on the stuff and have generally felt very good. In fact, I have a couple work days where I was usually always just spent, but since I've been on the deca, I don't have to come straight home and pass out.

I just don't see why I can't grow on this stuff. I do have a very physical job, and sometimes wonder if that affects my recovery. Although while on this cycle, I have barely been getting sore either. Not even massive drop sets are leaving me sore, especially not like they used to.

Why the heck can't i grow?

 

[d_rson]

Furthermore, I have read in articles that deca is a good alternative to those wishing to avoid the side effects of test.

And have you run test? Those are guys who can't run test because of sides. They don't choose to run deca without test, they have to because of sides, and those sides can cause serious complications with deca.

I just don't see why I can't grow on this stuff. I do have a very physical job, and sometimes wonder if that affects my recovery. Although while on this cycle, I have barely been getting sore either. Not even massive drop sets are leaving me sore, especially not like they used to.

Why the heck can't i grow?

First, you did grow. You put on 13lbs even being sick didn't you, and you dropped a little fat yes? Second, maybe you didn't grow as much as you could, but that's because you didn't plan a good cycle out. On this off time, don't just do "reading" do some posting and asking questions and cycle planning posts to get feedback. Also make sure your diet is in check.

How many calories do you consume? What are your macros? Generally if you can't immediately answer those questions, you're diet isn't in check. How about training, are you changing your routines up ever 4 weeks?

Lots of things to do and research while you plan your next run!