Help with PCT Regarding Sustanon and Test C

[ErikZ]

Hi guys,
A friend of mine, Guilherme, is an amateur bodybuilder at the age of 18 who trains under one of Brazil's most successful and accomplished pro-bodybuilders: a guy called Marilandio Ponchet.

Thus, competing and actually winning is very important for my friend who one day wishes to go pro.
To cut a long story short, he has done various cycles in the past (deca + test c, anadrol etc) however, due to him being of a reckless nature, he has neglected proper pct in the past (only used nolvadex for gyno etc).

Now he is planning on running a 12 week cycle of 250mg of sustanon + 500mg of test C per WEEK.

What kind of PCT and concerns might he have? I am sorry for bothering you guys, but he asked me to help and I cannot turn my back on my very good friend.

PS: Do not try and dissuade him from using steroids @ 18, it just won't do. So please help with PCT.

Cheers,
Erik

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Is he runing any anti-e's through out his cycle ? I would just go with Clomid for PCT, start it 3 weeks after the last Sust shot. Take 300mg/Day for the first day, 100mg/Day for the next 7 days, 50mg/Day for the following 7 days and 50mg/eod for the final 7 days for a 22 day total PCT.

M18

 

[njmuscleguy]

Hi guys,
A friend of mine, Guilherme, is an amateur bodybuilder at the age of 18 who trains under one of Brazil's most successful and accomplished pro-bodybuilders: a guy called Marilandio Ponchet.

Thus, competing and actually winning is very important for my friend who one day wishes to go pro.
To cut a long story short, he has done various cycles in the past (deca + test c, anadrol etc) however, due to him being of a reckless nature, he has neglected proper pct in the past (only used nolvadex for gyno etc).

Now he is planning on running a 12 week cycle of 250mg of sustanon + 500mg of test C per WEEK.

What kind of PCT and concerns might he have? I am sorry for bothering you guys, but he asked me to help and I cannot turn my back on my very good friend.

PS: Do not try and dissuade him from using steroids @ 18, it just won't do. So please help with PCT.

Cheers,
Erik

Wow, what a mess.... ok, let's just put to rest the fact that he's 18 and has huge potential of growing WITHOUT AAS....

If he truly is "under one of Brazil's most successful and accomplished pro-bodybuilders", shouldn't he well-know how to structure a proper cycle, including PCT? (big assumption on my part that the trainer is AAS-savvy)

Next, someone with a "reckless nature" has no business doing AAS - that's a disaster waiting to happen!

Next, why is he running sustanon along with test cyp (long-acting ester)? Deca + test makes more sense.

Anyhow, to answer your question, he should run Nolvadex (or Clomid) for PCT, along with an AI such as Aromasin... and to be on the safe side, HCG is wise too.

(Sorry for the harsh words, good luck!)

 

[ErikZ]

NJ: I understand your labeling of such situation "a mess". I agree totally with you. I am a novice powerlifter competitor and up to this day, I have not used AAS (I am 18). This is because apart from all the risk factors, if I do use AAS I will go over my weight threshold and onto the other category and there I will be pwned
However, my friend as I have said is a BB and he truly believes that AAS is a "necessary evil". His trainer, despite being successful, is not particularly careful with his steroids and is definately not taking care of my friend in the way that he diserved. But this is none of my business I believe, and I shall keep my thoughts to myself.
Same thing with his wreckless nature mixed with AAS: he is my friend, I tried talking to him but no success. So, all is left is to respect his decision, after all he is an adult.

Do not apologize at all for the harsh words, I agree completely.
Do you have any dosages recommended and time to start with each PCT compound?
Thanx buddy.

 

[njmuscleguy]

NJ: I understand your labeling of such situation "a mess". I agree totally with you. I am a novice powerlifter competitor and up to this day, I have not used AAS (I am 18). This is because apart from all the risk factors, if I do use AAS I will go over my weight threshold and onto the other category and there I will be pwned
However, my friend as I have said is a BB and he truly believes that AAS is a "necessary evil". His trainer, despite being successful, is not particularly careful with his steroids and is definately not taking care of my friend in the way that he diserved. But this is none of my business I believe, and I shall keep my thoughts to myself.
Same thing with his wreckless nature mixed with AAS: he is my friend, I tried talking to him but no success. So, all is left is to respect his decision, after all he is an adult.

Do not apologize at all for the harsh words, I agree completely.
Do you have any dosages recommended and time to start with each PCT compound?
Thanx buddy.

Well, at least he's got someone looking out for his best interests, even if he himself isn't... Sustanon has an active life of about 3 weeks, so he should probably wait about 2 weeks after his last sustanon shot... 20mg Nolvadex every day is sufficient... if he'll do HCG, then 500iu EOD for 2-3 weeks should be plenty... if he runs HCG, have him run Aromasin with it as well

 

[solidspine]

HGC and Clomid, bingo, easy one.

 

[ErikZ]

NJ, he is a really dear friend to me... but he is quite careless when it comes to some things. But since I like him and look out for him, I decided to post here. Thanx man for your input, both regarding the PCT and also regarding his behaviour.

Cheers,
Erik B.

 

[ErikZ]

HGC and Clomid, bingo, easy one.

Solid, shouldn't he take something like Finasteride for hairloss?
Seeing that both compounds are highly androgenic and can and will convert to DHT?

 

[CO B-man]

Sucks that someone that young is taking AAS and has already done several cycles as you mentioned. That is wreckless in itself (Not preaching I was that age once too and I did what I wanted to then too). If he goes pro he probably will not be for long should his liver be completely damaged before it even had the chance to be fully developed (around age 23 to 25 +/-). Does he get his blood tested?

 

[ErikZ]

Sucks that someone that young is taking AAS and has already done several cycles as you mentioned. That is wreckless in itself (Not preaching I was that age once too and I did what I wanted to then too). If he goes pro he probably will not be for long should his liver be completely damaged before it even had the chance to be fully developed (around age 23 to 25 +/-). Does he get his blood tested?

I keep insisting that he gets his blood tested, but he ignores me. However, I continue to insist and hope that he listens to me now that he failed to get an erection the last time he "got laid".

Any doses for Clomid, HGH or Aromasin?

 

[ErikZ]

He told me his coach does not talk about steroids... ridiculous bastard conning my friend (he actually charges for the classes and advice).
Oh well, I convinced him to run Sust 250mg with Deca, at moderate doses.
Lets c how it goes.
Cheers,

 

[mrkuslives]

Is he runing any anti-e's through out his cycle ? I would just go with Clomid for PCT, start it 3 weeks after the last Sust shot. Take 300mg/Day for the first day, 100mg/Day for the next 7 days, 50mg/Day for the following 7 days and 50mg/eod for the final 7 days for a 22 day total PCT.

M18

Why clomid over nolva? From my understanding nolva is more effective, no? Trying to learn a bit, thanks.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Why clomid over nolva? From my understanding nolva is more effective, no? Trying to learn a bit, thanks.

I have never seen any proof that Nolva is more effective. I have used Clomid with great success as have tons of others and I see no reason to change. On top of that, Nolvadex causes me to get very lethargic.

M18

 

[ErikZ]

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