Help with first time

[crxdog]

I have been doing alot of ready and can get my hands on a few products. I have never used before and been weight training for two years and looking for that edge.

For a first time user with little side effects what do you guys suggest? I have been looking at Testosterone Propionate and seems to be very popular.

 

[crxdog]

Also been looking at trenbolone

 

[GUARDIAN]

I have been doing alot of ready and can get my hands on a few products. I have never used before and been weight training for two years and looking for that edge.

For a first time user with little side effects what do you guys suggest? I have been looking at Testosterone Propionate and seems to be very popular.

u mean research?

 

[crxdog]

yes sorry research. Testosterone Propionate seems to be ok for minimal side effects

 

[puddlemonkey]

What are you looking to accomplish? Lean small gains? Brute strength? Size? If you want to do Propionate properly you'll be doing lots of shots, does this bother you?

 

[GUARDIAN]

yes sorry research. Testosterone Propionate seems to be ok for minimal side effects

this will an eod shot that can leave a lasting impression on you (soreness!!!)

you are probably better off with test-e or test-c.

 

[Trendsetter21]

How old are you?

 

[Acela]

what is the circumfrence of your penis?

 

[crxdog]

Im 24.

I have a mate who is a Pharmacist and can administer everything and can monitor my health while im doing this. Im after size and strength but many shots does bother me.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Im 24.

I have a mate who is a Pharmacist and can administer everything and can monitor my health while im doing this. Im after size and strength but many shots does bother me.

For size and strength I'd go with Cypionate, Enanthate, or Sustanon before Propionate.

 

[GUESS]

what is the circumfrence of your penis?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

 

[crxdog]

For size and strength I'd go with Cypionate, Enanthate, or Sustanon before Propionate.

Doesnt Cypionate create sore injection sites as well? Irritate the skin ?

 

[puddlemonkey]

Doesnt Cypionate create sore injection sites as well? Irritate the skin ?

Sore injection sites are associated with Propionate for the most part. You can have a bad shot with just about any ester, if you want to reduce the risk you can try things like heating it up before injecting (I set mine in front of a space heater while I shower) or stick with pharm grade. I've ran Cypionate 3 times and have never had any real issues. Propionate on the other hand there were days I couldn't even workout because it hurt so bad.

 

[EricG]

You need to post more on your starts, but on a general rule your going to want to do only one compound so you know how you react to the substance and can work from there on. Trenbolone would problably not be a wise choice for a first time. The popular newbie cycle would be 250-500mg(weekly) of test e or c with proper PCT / diet / training.

G

 

[crxdog]

Sustanon or testosterone enanthate seems to be the go then. Will i hold alot of fluid? And to keep fat storage down most info says taking testosterone enanthate with actually make stripping harder

 

[EricG]

Sustanon or testosterone enanthate seems to be the go then. Will i hold alot of fluid? And to keep fat storage down most info says taking testosterone enanthate with actually make stripping harder

Not sure if i understand what your saying there, but test e at a good dosage promotes fat loss, of course alot depends on your diet and exersize routine. Also you will retain some water but it will go away when your done.

G

 

[ALIN]

I have been doing alot of ready and can get my hands on a few products. I have never used before and been weight training for two years and looking for that edge.

For a first time user with little side effects what do you guys suggest? I have been looking at Testosterone Propionate and seems to be very popular.

Testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate. Only 1 x wk injections needed.

 

[crxdog]

Not sure if i understand what your saying there, but testosterone enanthate at a good dosage promotes fat loss, of course alot depends on your diet and exersize routine. Also you will retain some water but it will go away when your done.

G

Yeah im confusing myself. Testosterone enanthate at good dosage promotes fat loss as long as there is still good diet and exercise

As im a newbie what dosage should i be looking at and cycle?

 

[EricG]

Well that all depends on what size you are, age and training experience. Conservatives usually start at 250mg a week, although id go with 500mg weekly, anything over that for a first cycle is overkill in my opinion

G

 

[crxdog]

Well that all depends on what size you are, age and training experience. Conservatives usually start at 250mg a week, although id go with 500mg weekly, anything over that in my opinion is overkill.

G

Im 24 been training for 2 years and getting really good results. Im 6 foot 2inches and about 93 kgs and in good health.

500mg weekly for how many weeks is safe? Can i still take creatine etc?

 

[SwolK]

test E or C for first cycle.
250-500mg per week for 10 - 12 weeks
Aromatise Inhibator (anti estrogen) throughout
Standard PCT consisting of at least Clomid or Nolv

NO Tren for first few cycles

 

[Acela]

TestE 250 mgs EW weeks 1-10
AI on hand (although probably not needed)

P'C't
10 days after your last shot Clomid @ 50mgs ED for the next 25 days
dermacrione/sustain 5 pumps ED until the bottle is gone

eat 4000 clean cal ED and train responsibly. get plenty of rest

 

[EricG]

I agree with the top two responses and as far as creatine is concerned i wouldnt use it until PCT, that way it will give you a little boost when your comming off the juice.

G

 

[crxdog]

testosterone enanthate or C for first cycle.
250-500mg per week for 10 - 12 weeks
Aromatise Inhibator (anti estrogen) throughout
Standard PCT - post cycle therapy - consisting of at least Clomid or Nolv

NO trenbolone for first few cycles

Sorry what does aromatase inhibitor do? what is it?

 

[GUARDIAN]

Im 24 been training for 2 years and getting really good results. Im 6 foot 2inches and about 93 kgs and in good health.

500mg weekly for how many weeks is safe? Can i still take creatine etc?

For you anywhere in the 6-12 week range. Not only can you still take creatine I highly recommend it. 5g pre & post workout.

 

[crxdog]

For you anywhere in the 6-12 week range. Not only can you still take creatine I highly recommend it. 5g pre & post workout.

And aromatase inhibitor? Do you need to take that as well

 

[GUARDIAN]

And aromatase inhibitor? Do you need to take that as well

You should always have an AI on hand like a-dex. I prefer to use it as needed. Others take it throughout the whole cycle, .5mg eod will suffice. But if you are only going to run something like 250mg ew that probably isn't necessary but you should always have it on hand.

 

[advanced-stealth]

testosterone enanthate or C for first cycle.
250-500mg per week for 10 - 12 weeks
Aromatise Inhibator (anti estrogen) throughout
Standard PCT - post cycle therapy - consisting of at least Clomid or Nolv

NO trenbolone for first few cycles

That is all you need! You will be set.

 

[hardnosepbg]

I'm a newbie 2 1/2 weeks in on Test E 500 pw split on Sun and Wed. I can't speak for all newbies, but my injections spots have been sore...about 3 days of soreness each...so I would expect some soreness.

 

[crxdog]

That is all you need! You will be set.

So this anti estrogen stuff what is it actually doing to me while im taking testosterone ?

 

[GUARDIAN]

So this anti estrogen stuff what is it actually doing to me while im taking testosterone ?

Aromatase inhibitors work by inhibiting the action of the enzyme aromatase, which converts androgens (test in this case) into estrogens by a process called aromatization. As breast tissue is stimulated by estrogens, decreasing their production is a way of suppressing recurrence of the breast tissue (gyno).

 

[crxdog]

Aromatase inhibitors work by inhibiting the action of the enzyme aromatase, which converts androgens (test in this case) into estrogens by a process called aromatization. As breast tissue is stimulated by estrogens, decreasing their production is a way of suppressing recurrence of the breast tissue (gynecomastia).

So in other words i could grow breasts if i dont take it? Would this happen if im only using 200ml-500ml per week?

Also i can start using testosterone propionate as a mate has alot at the moment but everyone is saying its proberbly not a good idea for you first time, use test e or test c. Im just impatient but dont want to do any damage. . . .

 

[GUARDIAN]

So in other words i could grow breasts if i dont take it? Would this happen if im only using 200ml-500ml per week?

It is possible you could get some gyno but not likely at lower doses. Depends on person. Some are more susceptible than others.

Also i can start using testosterone propionate as a mate has alot at the moment but everyone is saying its proberbly not a good idea for you first time, use testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate. Im just impatient but dont want to do any damage. . . .

I say be patient and stick with test-e or test-c.

 

[crxdog]

It is possible you could get some gynecomastia but not likely at lower doses. Depends on person. Some are more susceptible than others.



I say be patient and stick with test-e or test-c.

gynecomastia whats that??

 

[crxdog]

gynecomastia whats that??

oh the brest thing i see..... god i wouldnt know where to start to get my hands on that

 

[GUARDIAN]

gynecomastia whats that??

basically bitch tits. female breast development in men, a common side effect. some aas aromitize into estrogen. too high of level of estrogen in men = gyno.

 

[GUARDIAN]

u really need to do some more research bro. read thread after thread here at EF for a long time.

 

[crxdog]

u really need to do some more research bro. read thread after thread here at EF for a long time.

k, thanks dude

 

[xrsist]

whats your current diet look like mate?

 

[crxdog]

whats your current diet look like mate?

Eggs in morning with baked beans
protein shake

salad and tuna for lunch

afternoon tea protein shake

dinner lean meats with salad or vege.

Im usually pretty good but do slip up know and then

 

[xrsist]

bro you need to eat alot more. your diet is the most important part of any form of training. if your looking to put on size you need to eat alot more. try eating more for a while before hopping on the aas, you will be suprised in what you can gain from eating more. you should be eating every 2-3 hours and every meal you eat should contain protein.