Help with first cycle?

[tingram8349]

My name is tyler, and i'm wanting to start my first cycle, and some advice on what to take and how much. I'm kinda fimilar with them cause i've been around it, and i've taken some before... but i didn't take it the correct way or even take the correct things along with them... I'm 6'5 190lbs, i'm 14% BF.... my goal is to reach 250, i know its going to take time but just letting you know... so please help me with my first cycle, i've been reading up on everything but still would like some advice from experienced users, thanks

 

[GUARDIAN]

didnt you post this yesterday and get a bunch of input?

i think the general consensus was to train naturally and eat.

 

[tingram8349]

yeah i but i never asked a good first cycle... i'm fixing to go ahead and do a cycle... i've been lifting for years natural, i just haven't been eating right...

 

[GUARDIAN]

yeah i but i never asked a good first cycle... i'm fixing to go ahead and do a cycle... i've been lifting for years natural, i just haven't been eating right...

I wish you well. I normally don't refuse to help but I think this is a mistake. Don't take that the wrong way. This is a great place for info but most of us have some boundaries we won't cross just for the sake of taking steroids.

 

[tingram8349]

its cool, i understand! i found a cycle that comes together i liked i was just asking for some input....

 

[silverskyline]

its cool, i understand! i found a cycle that comes together i liked i was just asking for some input....

I would never step on 8and20's toes so he's prolly 100% right however out of curiosity what cycle were you thinking? How old are you?

If your diet is not in check and you are hell bound on pinning get your diet in check now. Can't stress enough on or off diet is essential.

 

[tingram8349]

well i mean i just been eating everything and anything, just to gain weight... on no i'm sure he's right and wasn't arguing but, i been lifting for years now, and that was one of his concerns, that and my age, which is 22... i'm just looking for a good bulking cycle, cause i'm 6'5 and 190...

 

[GUARDIAN]

I would never step on 8and20's toes so he's prolly 100% right however out of curiosity what cycle were you thinking? How old are you? 22 i think if i recall correctly from yesterday

If your diet is not in check and you are hell bound on pinning get your diet in check now. Can't stress enough on or off diet is essential.

dont worry about me. i got thick skin. this is an open forum so if u have a different opinion than please speak your mind. that is what makes this place great.

 

[silverskyline]

Yeah damn 190 sounded fine to me till you said 6'5.

the age wouldnt be my main concern at least your not like 17 or 18.

if your taking in around 4,000 kcal you should be good but the thing is it has to be nutrition you can't get eatting 4,000 kcal from Mcdonalds every day thats like 4 burgers and your at 4,000 right there with no substance.

If your going to run a cycle don't stack your first run and make sure you stay away from certian formulas like Deca.


Stick to your basic test's like cyp, prop, and euth

 

[tingram8349]

ok yeah, i was just asking so i can read more into it, so when the time does come that i'm ready i'll know as much as possible about it, i was asking so i can turn around get and the do it, no sir, i'm not like that, i like to know about the product, the sides and others advice...

ok using test, how much and how often...

 

[silverskyline]

between 200mg and I'd say 400mg's

Depending on the type look into the half life of the oil or water based test and given that you will know how often. You can pin once or twice a week.

If you get a bottle that says test 200 or test 300 that will tell you that in the 200 one CC is 200mg there for if you pin 2CC on the test 200 you will be getting 400mg's...honestly I wouldnt go any higher than that. You can either sitck 2 CC once or 1CC every third day.

It is reccomended generally that you pin Monday and Thursday.

For instance say your using test testosterone cypionate it would be of value to pin that Monday at say .5 or 1CC and Thursday the same.

.5CC Monday and Thurs of test 200 will get you 200mg's a week
1CC Monday and Thurs of test 200 will get you 400mg's a week

 

[tingram8349]

so i get a 10cc bottle and i pin 400mg's a week i'm look at 5 week's for that bottle right? what should i do, the same thing or do some thing else when that 5 weeks is up...

 

[silverskyline]

well first off dont waste your time with a 5 wk cycle either get another bottle or shorten your CC's.

You prolly wont even see anything for the first 2-3 weeks so why get gains off only the last 2 wks.

You need at least an 8 - 10 wks cycle.

So either get more test or run shorter doses.

After make sure you ahve your self a good PCT.

HCG is the best and can be run durring, or clomid, nolvadex, even Post Cycle from elitefitnessnutrition.com

Make sure once your cycle off you give your body recovery time and use a good PCT.

You might want to also invest in blood work prior to to see what your working with naturally. Look in to anti E's (you never know what kind of side effects one can have as everyone is differnt)

I would get your 2 bottles of test and a good PCT before you even start.

 

[tingram8349]

right.. does this sound good

week 1-12: 500mg test-e E/W
week 1-5: 25mg d-bol E/D
wait 10 days after last pin to start my pct

and PCT nolvadex 4 weeks
40mg E/D for first two weeks
20mg E/D for last two weeks

Does thats sound decent?

 

[silverskyline]

The schedule sounds fine, I wouldnt really wait 10 days for PCT infact I would start it right after or even on the last week or 2 personally.

Other than that thats a pretty heavy cycle for a first time 12 wks of 500mg with a stack.

You honestly don't need the stack the 12 wks of 500mg Euthenate is plenty!

I'd save the Dbol for your second cycle mid to late this year

 

[silverskyline]

Oh just an FYI also might want to look into Sustain Alpha from primordialperformance.com to use with your PCT - post cycle therapy - if your going to wait to take your novaldex start the sustain alpha at the end of the cycle then when the cycle is done stats the Nova. Just my .02

and if you want to stack look into Unleashed rather than Dianabol - methandrostenolone -

and good luck, let me know how it pans out and what you end up doing.

With what you're lookin at if you end up sticking with that you'll blow up (hopefully with no sides)

 

[tingram8349]

yeah man i definitely will do that. i appreciate all the help and advice!