help with designing a cycle please!!!

[Tyrant77]

I was wondering if one of the experienced users could help me out. I need to come up w/ a cycle. I am 22 yrs old and am about 5'9 and weigh 205lbs. Im pretty built but got a few xtra pounds on me. My buddy said he would suggest a Winny/Deca cycle, i was wondering if that sounded right. I want to cut down but at the same time gain some size (as much as possible) while cutting down. This would be my first time so i am a lil worried bout side effects, any suggestions. I heard that if ur grandfather on ur moms side was bald ur more likely to be is that true? If it is, is there any way i can prevent that while doing the cycle. Again i appreciate any help you guys can give me

 

[Golfer18--old]

I would suggest a fina/Test cycle. The fina will you lean out while adding some lean mass and you can keep your nuts. You need to research before you start anything. There is nothing worse than getting your body out of whack and not knowing how to get it back. Research on things like clomid, nolvadex, liquidex, gyno, DHT. Basically stick around for a few months and you will learn a great deal.

 

[TooJacked]

I agree with Golfer, but keeo your dosages at no more than 500mg/Test a week and I think you'll only need 75mg/fina EOD. You need to know that drugs are not the answer to shedding the fat. You first need a sound nutritional plan, and training routine including Cardio. E-mail me if you need any help, I'll respond as soon as I ge the chance. [email protected]

 

[HONSZ]

300-400mg Primobolan/week for 12 weeks
+ Oxandrolone (if you HAVE money) or
+ 20mg Dbols/daily week 1-4 and 7-11 !
MY(!!!) suggestion bro`!
Greetz

 

[Tyrant77]

I appreciate the advise but im wondering weather deca/winny is a bad combo. This is my first cycle and my boy said that what u guys said he thinks is for a person that has done a cylce or 2 before. Also im kinda strapped for cash so i was wonderin if i could get away w/ cutting up and gaining some lean mass with just the winny??

Thanx

 

[jc21]

ok let me clear something up for you, gear plays almost a non existant part of losing bodyfat, except for gh, t3, clen, etc. and even those arent wonder drugs. losing bodyfat is all in the diet and cardio and can be done while on any cycle. the only difference gear will make is if you hold water.

now i think deca and winny is a bad idea. two anabolic types of gear here. imo androgens need to be in most cycles, esspecially your first. so if you are one of the few people that react to winny by all means go for it, but you probably arent.

drop the winny and add some test

500mg/wk test enanthate
400mg/wk deca

my exact first cycle and i was about your size.

 

[TooJacked]

I still say that Fina aids in fat loss, and you definitley need Test. Test is cheap, so is Fina. jc21 is right, that gear doesn't play that much of a roll in fat loss, it's in the diet and cardio. Most likely, You will not experience any major side effects with dosages I outlined above. If you do, then adjust them, it's not that hard.

 

[HONSZ]

With 400mg Deca and 500mg Test/week he will do a great job in gaining mass !! Of course he can put control on it with clean eating and cardio but the thing with Deca is : it only unfolds its power with a certain amount of calories !!!
Using Deca to the best benefit means: FOOD !!
Winstrol is for more experienced athletes-it has its Dangers ...
Therefore I suggested Primo/Dbol...can help to put on some Quality !!
Greetz

 

[HONSZ]

With 400mg Deca and 500mg Test/week he will do a great job in gaining mass !! Of course he can put control on it with clean eating and cardio but the thing with Deca is : it only unfolds its power with a certain amount of calories !!!
Using Deca to the best benefit means: FOOD !!
Winstrol is for more experienced athletes-it has its Dangers ...
Therefore I suggested Primo/Dbol...can help to put on some Quality !!
Greetz

 

[Tyrant77]

Ok how does this sound?? another one of my friends said like 300-400mg's of EQ and 50mg of winny eod or 100mg of winny 2 or 3 times a week? he said that the EQ will ad size but it will be lean muscle and the winny will shread me up and the gains will be easier to maintain that with something like test????

Thanx

 

[Tyrant77]

Also i was wonderin, will the winny tabs fuck up ur liver? i know the injects are always better but is it that much of a difference

 

[Baxter]

1st of all, turn off your CAPS lock. It's freaking impossible to read that shit.

2nd, Fina + test enanthate is a good one. So is Fina + Winny.

 

[TooJacked]

Tyrant, you need to get one thing straight. Steroids do not burn fat. They may put your body in favorable conditions for increased fat burning by indirect methods but they alone will not get you shredded. You MUST have your diet and training regimen in place before you even think of using juice, otherwise you will realize you have wasted your Time and Money.

 

[Tyrant77]

i know that steroids wont burn fat. I do my liftin then usually run somewhere between 2 and 3 miles 3 or 4 times a week, at least thats what i have been doing for the past 2 weeks. Im just curious cause i told my boy that some1 suggested fina and test test at 500 a week and fina at around 300 a week and he laughed and said yeah if u wanna be a monster. he said that that would b good for bulkin up and puttin on alot of mass. im lookin to go lean and cut up so he suggested EQ at 300-400 a week and 50mgs of winny eod or 100 3 times a week

 

[Johnny Cut]

Hey sailor.....

Winny is a good choice as far as putting on lean mass, It sounds like Tyrant wants to put on lean mass, He isnt looking to bulk up beyond beleif, more looking for losing weight, through diet,cardio,sleep,...etc, while maintaining current strenth and not goint into a catabolic state while losing weight...advise him more on those characteristics, thanks guys

DS.

 

[Tyrant77]

protein

Also i was wondering if alot of protein while trying to cut up is not good. I was told while lifting you should have a gram of protein for every pound u weigh, is that true.

Thanx