Help with depression in PCT

[VICREP]

Hey guys

I have finished my first PH cycle as follows:

Epistane 30/30/45/45/45
Cycle Support

PCT
Torem 120/90/60/30
Bridge double dosed
Cabergoline 0.5mg every 3 days (I think its bunk though)

The problem is I have some slight gyno and I'm even lactating a bit. My libido is non-existant

Worst of all I feel extremely depressed, almost debilitating. Even suicidal at times.

I have some DAA on hand, should I add it?
Also I ordered some Unleashed today.

Is what I'm feeling normal?

 

[maccy]

Add the Daa and unleashed and try low dose of adex .5mg ed to help with the gyno. As the depression goes I think its just your hormones at the moment I've felt shitty before too but not bad enough to Wana top myself. Just relax bro keep eating and training hard n try think positive

"obsessed is what the lazy call the motivated"

 

[buddhabuilder]

This is another good reason to put up your full cycle before starting it. Did you use HCGenerate on cycle? This keeps you from completely shutting down, making recovery easier. Bodybuilding is great, but included in it, as a healthy lifestyle, are a good diet, good consistent sleep, and little or no alcohol/drug use. I would include some sort of spiritual life as well, but hey, I'm the Buddha. Keep things in perspective, talk to someone you trust, and if things get dire, reach out to a professional. Your not in this alone.

 

[VICREP]

Ok guys thanks.

Ill add the DAA and Unleashed when it comes.

Would adding Post Cycle be redundant since I'm already on Torem?

 

[Arabian]

If your feeling suicidal then you need professional help because what little bit of a cycle you did would never make people lactate, be depressed and be suicidal. You really need to go and seek professional assistance. No vitamin is going to assist your mental issues. Good luck and please seek professional advice. I have sent you a pm and if you need to speak to someone , I am available for you.

Arabian

 

[VICREP]

If your feeling suicidal then you need professional help because what little bit of a cycle you did would never make people lactate, be depressed and be suicidal. You really need to go and seek professional assistance. No vitamin is going to assist your mental issues. Good luck and please seek professional advice. I have sent you a pm and if you need to speak to someone , I am available for you.

Arabian

Thanks for your concern.

The thing is I haven't had underlyiing issues with depression. Except for after my breakup with my ex.

Just after I started pct I was so down I could barely get out of bed and my libido dying just made things worse.

 

[Labtec70]

Hi vi

Do you feel majorly depressed when you awake in the morning but for no reason at all? I experienced this and it was awful. Apparently the Dostinex (Caber) was responsible for it. As soon as I dropped it I felt better within about three or four days.

Caber affects people differently. Some manage fine others not so. I was taking antidepressants (SSRI) at the time too, and it seems the Caber was acting as an antagonist on my dopamine levels. Basically, the SSRI just stopped having any sort of effect and so on came the very low feeling.

Hope this helps.

Craig

 

[stevesmi]

everyone can speculate but you need to run bloods. see my signature below to a link to order them.

it is my guess your estrogen is TOO LOW that is causing your depression and bad libido. but without bloodwork everyone on here is guessing

also how old are you to cry and get depressed about an ex? you sound really young, you need to grow up a bit before using steroids in the future.. i cried when i was 17 and my gf dumped me too btw. there is a difference between 37 and 17 though..

 

[VICREP]

everyone can speculate but you need to run bloods. see my signature below to a link to order them.

it is my guess your estrogen is TOO LOW that is causing your depression and bad libido. but without bloodwork everyone on here is guessing

also how old are you to cry and get depressed about an ex? you sound really young, you need to grow up a bit before using steroids in the future.. i cried when i was 17 and my gf dumped me too btw. there is a difference between 37 and 17 though..

Thanks for the advice ill get blood work done ASAP. I'm 22 and I was with my ex for 3 years. It wasn't really over her I felt depressed. It was just like a wave of depression crashed over me of feeling depressed over everything. That plus lactation made me realise it was probably hormonal related.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Horrible PCT. Torem can raise estrogen and in general make you feel like shit, just like nolva.

Use BRIDGE AFTER PCT, not AS PCT.

You should have used HCGen while on and hcg once off along with some arimidex. Too late now. Get some UNLEASHED and PF POST-CYCLE and double dose for one month. You'll feel better in a few weeks.

 

[Headholio]

Sounds like crazy bad sides for 5 weeks of epi only. Seems like low E, or sides from the caber are both good theories.
I'm curious vicrep, how were the gains on that cycle?

 

[VICREP]

Horrible PCT. Torem can raise estrogen and in general make you feel like shit, just like nolva.

Use BRIDGE AFTER PCT, not AS PCT.

You should have used HCGen while on and hcg once off along with some arimidex. Too late now. Get some UNLEASHED and PF POST-CYCLE and double dose for one month. You'll feel better in a few weeks.

Really? most threads I read said Torem was good reliable SERM. I researched for months before my cycle and some were saying a PCT is not even needed after Epistane.

I thought to be safe I would run some Torem, Bridge (apparently same as HCGenerate when double dosed, and caber.

How does Torem raise estrogen? I'm curious

Can I use PES Erase instead of Post-cycle by PF? I have Erase readily available

Thanks Guys

 

[Headholio]

Like steve said, you need to know your blood levels. Erase is an AI, whether it would help or not depends on where your E is now. With those crazy sides you are having, you better be careful about effing with your hormones at random.

I'm wondering about the caber. Is it really a recommended part of of PCT for an epi cycle?
Would it make sense to stop that right now? I know you are having gyno problems so its pretty complicated, so I defer to those who know more than I, but that's the thought I have. Again, a blood test would really help.

 

[VICREP]

I just read through Nelson's Sticky on PCT I'll ensure I go over it thoroughly before my next cycle.

For those curious of my gains I went from 69kg to 78kg. All lifts went up.

Sex drive was up first 2 weeks then disappeared.

Some slight acne.

I'll be looking to do another cycle in September. I'll be sure to post up before I cycle.

Thanks guys. I appreciate the advise and I'll leearn from my mistakes.

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks for the advice ill get blood work done ASAP. I'm 22 and I was with my ex for 3 years. It wasn't really over her I felt depressed. It was just like a wave of depression crashed over me of feeling depressed over everything. That plus lactation made me realise it was probably hormonal related.

click the link below in my signature and order the bloodwork ASAP. print it out and go in there. then post up the results for me.

also man to man its healthy and necessary to get your heart broken a few times, that is a part of the game. at 22 you are too damn young to be serious with a chick.. wait till you are older to find your soulmate and fall in love. might want to consider avoiding hormones until you stabilize your life so that little things like this don't send you in a tailspin. you were with her from 19 to 22. the girl i dated when i was that age i look back now and i'm like YUCK!! and in 10 years you will do the same. so cry about her for a few days or whatever and then move on and focus on your career and education. had you married this chick 90% chance you are divorced or you are still married with kids and miserable in 10 years. try and fuck atleast 25 chicks until you get serious with a girl, until you hit that number don't even think about being serious with a girl .. it will save you a lot of heartbreak and more importantly money following that rule

 

[VICREP]

click the link below in my signature and order the bloodwork ASAP. print it out and go in there. then post up the results for me.

also man to man its healthy and necessary to get your heart broken a few times, that is a part of the game. at 22 you are too damn young to be serious with a chick.. wait till you are older to find your soulmate and fall in love. might want to consider avoiding hormones until you stabilize your life so that little things like this don't send you in a tailspin. you were with her from 19 to 22. the girl i dated when i was that age i look back now and i'm like YUCK!! and in 10 years you will do the same. so cry about her for a few days or whatever and then move on and focus on your career and education. had you married this chick 90% chance you are divorced or you are still married with kids and miserable in 10 years. try and fuck atleast 25 chicks until you get serious with a girl, until you hit that number don't even think about being serious with a girl .. it will save you a lot of heartbreak and more importantly money following that rule

I'll be sure to get it done. Thanks stevesmi. You're a very wise man

And I know you're right about the whole GF thing too. I have had a lot of life change epiphanies the last 6 months.

90% of girls under 21 are extremely immature and are all attention whores. Not that I'm overly mature either ha

 

[Nelson Montana]

Really? most threads I read

Can I use PES Erase instead of Post-cycle by PF? I have Erase readily available

PES Erase is a pro hormone. You can try it but I can't speak for the results. PF POST CYCLE is pretty inexpensive and you can always use it.

 

[Sherk]

Like Steve said get some bloods done and like Nelson said you might want to run another pct if you're not recovered or at least get your hormones better in check if they're off.