Help with cycle

[sprinter86]

I am 170lb and have done a few cycles before. I want to gain mass and strength. Tell me what you think or how I can improve it. Thanks

...made a mistake on the chart, the Dbol is number of tabs /week

 

[BigTmMan009]

Why not try running the test deca 10 weeks and not taper off. I would only run the dbols for 4 weeks using 25-50 mg a day. And try adding some hcg to pct.

 

[evander1972]

As above Bro, Hows your diet?

 

[hithard]

this is cool, ive NEVER done a cycle but maybe i can use this as a coaching experience for myself as well. ive been trying to soak up as much knowledge as possible before starting my cycles so this would be my response. REMEMBER: i have never done a cycle. GUYS let me know if im getting my shit straight by this response:
i think he should run the test longer, say a 10-12 week cycle and use 500-600 ew with no tappering. also cut the deca out at least 2 weeks before youre finished the test. (you have it running longer) and the PCT seems light, you should definately think about HCG and even run nolva a few weeks afterwards.

 

[hammercurls]

run a light cycle

1-10 deca 300 mg week
1-4 dbol 30 mg ed

keep it easy and eat like a mofo

 

[help4john]

.... GUYS let me know if im getting my shit straight by this response:
i think he should run the test longer, say a 10-12 week cycle and use 500-600 ew with no tappering. also cut the deca out at least 2 weeks before youre finished the test....

Most fellas that have been around for a while will suggest using Test only for your first cycle. Really no need to get fancy with tapers, pyramid, and multiple types of gear. Test only....either Cyp or Ent for 8-10 weeks (no longer) 400mgEW will be the ideal first cycle. This will enable you to determine how your body reacts to gear and adjust to any sides that may occur. Also....only one shot per week....makes it easy for new users. Of course you will need Nolvadex on hand and have all your PCT supplies on hand before your first poke. Good luck!

 

[hithard]

its not his first cycle...

 

[sprinter86]

Diet is good... I eat like a MOFO and have problems with getting a bigger gut when on a cycle. On this cycle, I plan to do 30minutes on the treadmill before hitting weights.

I wanted to know if I should taper off the Test before the deca and Dbol...(thought the taper would be good) the other thing I was wondering is if this is too high dosage for my light bodyweight. Last cycle was done about 8months ago so I want to hit hard straight up while my receptors are fresh.

The Cyp + anti-aromatize is actually the Syrus Cypadex

 

[BigAndy69]

Diet is good... I eat like a MOFO and have problems with getting a bigger gut when on a cycle. On this cycle, I plan to do 30minutes on the treadmill before hitting weights.

I wanted to know if I should taper off the Test before the deca and Dbol...(thought the taper would be good) the other thing I was wondering is if this is too high dosage for my light bodyweight. Last cycle was done about 8months ago so I want to hit hard straight up while my receptors are fresh.

The Cyp + anti-aromatize is actually the Syrus Cypadex

The cypadex should be shot E3D to keep arimidex levels stable. I'm assuming your deca is 250mg/ml?

This is what I would recommend:

0.75ml of Cypadex every 3 days (525mg weekly) + 0.75ml Deca every 3 days (~430mg) + whatever dbol you lke to use.

Test is actually milder than Deca for recovery so you are better off running test past the deca. I would suggest picking up some Test prop and running it at the end of your cycle for 3 weeks or so

 

[sprinter86]

Thanks Andy and others, although not looking forward to pinning every 3 days

anyway I have revised the cycle to show a 3/day time frame. What do you think? How about my PCT...should I add some HCG or increase Clomid or Nolvadex? Thanks a lot for your help.

The cycles seem to have changed since I did all my homework on this board over 5years ago (when ramping was popular)

 

[evander1972]

Ive allways included HCG and then Nolva for my PCT and recovered without any problems.

 

[210toosmall]

Diet is good... I eat like a MOFO and have problems with getting a bigger gut when on a cycle. On this cycle, I plan to do 30minutes on the treadmill before hitting weights.

i read or heard somewhere that cardio is more effective at burning fat after your weight training as it takes about thirty minutes until your body is using fat for fuel instead of blood glycogen.

i used to do cardio pre-workout and ive seen better fat loss doing it after.

 

[sprinter86]

So where whould you recommend to use the HCG and what quantity. Should I use the Nolvadex for PCT or during the cycle or both?

Thanks

 

[BigAndy69]

That looks decent. except for a few things. Clomid Therapy needs to start 2 weeks after your last shot of Cyp. The deca and cyp would still be in your system.

Also, cycle seems short for these compunds, I would suggest you pick up more if you can.

 

[evander1972]

On long acting compounds Ill take 4500 iu's of HCG and split it up in to 500 iu's shots and take them eod starting 1 week before my last shot until finnished. Then 3 weeks after my last shot I used Nolva.

wk 1 40mg Nolva
wk 2-3 20 mg Nolva
wk 4 10 mg Nolva

It works for me.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I am 170lb and have done a few cycles before. I want to gain mass and strength. Tell me what you think or how I can improve it. Thanks

...made a mistake on the chart, the Dbol is number of tabs /week

Very Very Mild Cycle for a 4th cycle? Hope it works for you tho

 

[sprinter86]

Very Very Mild Cycle for a 4th cycle? Hope it works for you tho

Last cycle was about 8months ago and I was scammed with underdosed. Before that it was about 10months. I am probably half the weight of some of you guys so I dont need as much lucky me cause Im a cheap bastard.

 

[Stacemranger]

So where whould you recommend to use the HCG and what quantity. Should I use the Nolvadex for PCT or during the cycle or both?

Thanks

PCT should be this for every cycle you do. Period.

Mid cycle: HCG at 1500 iu's x 3(MWF) + Nolvadex at 20mg ED for 7 days.

Post cycle(one week after last injection): HCG at 1000 iu's 3x/Week for one week combo'd with Nolva at 20mg. Stop HCG and continue with Nolva at 20mg ED. Also do Clomid at 50mg ED for whole PCT.

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

Looks great... that's more or less the cycle I'll be doing... (minus the Dbol...)

http://elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374638

 

[Slyder190]

You're original plan you layed out there, I don't like it at all.