Help w/ induced gyno

[Slyder190]

I agree with BBF. Bump the Nolva and A-dex dosage. I hope they're legit as well.

 

[metzen56]

Can you go into more detail on this? Where did you get this info? Just curious. Thanks

Ya I think that is just theory I read somewhere... never any science behind it. I may be wrong but thats what I remeber.

 

[NoWork]

Elevated prolactin levels, in the presence of low estragen levels cannot cause gyno.

Bumping for an answer from BBF or anybody that knows. Even in theory this does not make sense to me. Can anyone go into more detail? I'm very curious how this conclusion was drawn. Thanks

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I don't have a reference off hand. I have most of my old biology books at my mother's house, but I believe in teenage girls, brest development requires estragen, progestin and prolactin. I've seen guys run tren-only cycles at 200 mg a day, but without an AAS that is a substrait for the aromatase enzyme in the stack, and never even develop puffy or sore nipples.

No offense, but you are using a fuck load of test (750 mg a week), but only 400 mg of deca and you think prolactin is the culprete and not estragen??? 300-400 mg of test a week will bloat me and give me puffy nips (if I don't use nolvadex) even on an aromatase inhibitor. I've used 600 mg of deca by itself and did not have any signs of gyno. I've also run tren only at 75 mg a day for 20 weeks and never develepedpuffy nipples or lumps. You are using twice the test it takes for me to get gyno. Granted everyone is different, but 400 mg of deca is simply not enough to elevate prolactin levels a great deal, and winstrol, even at 10 mg a day seems to remove side effects from tren and deca for me personally.

You should also consider that winstrol reduces shbg levels, and 100 mg a day would have a huge effect on this. So your free testosterone is much higher than it would be on 750 mg of test if you were not using the winstrol.

The original advice still holds IMO.

 

[psychedout]

Nuts, winny reduces SHGB levels? I swore I word never use winny due to the whole brittle joint thing, but you might have just turned the tables on my view of that drug.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I don't have a reference off hand. I have most of my old biology books at my mother's house, but I believe in teenage girls, brest development requires estragen, progestin and prolactin. I've seen guys run tren-only cycles at 200 mg a day, but without an AAS that is a substrait for the aromatase enzyme in the stack, and never even develop puffy or sore nipples.

No offense, but you are using a fuck load of test (750 mg a week), but only 400 mg of deca and you think prolactin is the culprete and not estragen??? 300-400 mg of test a week will bloat me and give me puffy nips (if I don't use nolvadex) even on an aromatase inhibitor. I've used 600 mg of deca by itself and did not have any signs of gyno. I've also run tren only at 75 mg a day for 20 weeks and never develepedpuffy nipples or lumps. You are using twice the test it takes for me to get gyno. Granted everyone is different, but 400 mg of deca is simply not enough to elevate prolactin levels a great deal, and winstrol, even at 10 mg a day seems to remove side effects from tren and deca for me personally.

You should also consider that winstrol reduces shbg levels, and 100 mg a day would have a huge effect on this. So your free testosterone is much higher than it would be on 750 mg of test if you were not using the winstrol.

The original advice still holds IMO.

Right..every1 is different..so you think I should reduce the test and up my deca or what? Why is 750mg test and 400 deca so wack?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Nuts, winny reduces SHGB levels? I swore I word never use winny due to the whole brittle joint thing, but you might have just turned the tables on my view of that drug.

There is evidence that winstrol does in fact reduce shbg levels in humans. I've seen studies using 10 mg of oral winstrol a day in men that showed a signifigant drop in shbg levels even on a low dose.

If the joints become a major issue, try adding 200-300 mg of deca a week to your stack.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

There is evidence that winstrol does in fact reduce shbg levels in humans. I've seen studies using 10 mg of oral winstrol a day in men that showed a signifigant drop in shbg levels even on a low dose.

If the joints become a major issue, try adding 200-300 mg of deca a week to your stack.

will do

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Right..every1 is different..so you think I should reduce the test and up my deca or what? Why is 750mg test and 400 deca so wack?

Its not whack, its just that 400 mg of deca is not a great deal and not prone to side effects in most people. 750 mg of test is a lot. With your shbg levels being lower from the high winstrol dose, you have a great deal more free test to be acted on by the aromatase enzyme, so it might be more like being on 1000-1500 mg of test. You have to remember that you are using close to 2 grams a week, and two of our compounds are substraits for the aromatase enzyme. YOu might wish to consider aromasin instead of adex in the future.

 

[NoWork]

I've seen guys run tren-only cycles at 200 mg a day, but without an AAS that is a substrait for the aromatase enzyme in the stack, and never even develop puffy or sore nipples.QUOTE]

That's why it doesn't make sense to me, because I have seen people deveope gyno on tren only.