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git_er_done

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Sup guys. I need some help here. I am debating on what i shouldl do. I want to get some gear, but i really don't know what i want. I want to add mass, and not really worried about definiton right now. I am more on bulking right now. If anyone could help me out, and tell me my options I would really appreciate it. You can send me email so you don't have to post shit on here, I don't want to know any sources or anything, just wanna know all the options and learn all i can. Thanks for your help guys!
 
Post your stats, including age, and bodyfat % if you know it. What kind of progress are you making in the gym now? What's your training history?
 
I don't want to say my age because i don't want people to judge me or tell me what not to do. But i am over 18. I weigh in at 170 and bf % is around 12. I have been makin great strength gains over the past couple of months, but haven't added on too much weight. I take in plenty of protein and take all that shit, but i want to really get hardcore with it and stop fuckin around. I have been training for about 5 years now intense on and off with football and baseball earlier in my training years. I am in college and would love to start lifting weights twice a day, it is my first thing on my mind everyday cuz really i could give two shits about school. But anyways tell me anything else i need to post.
 
How do expect honest answers from people that are here to help you out if you're not going to be honest about yourself...and if you have to hide something like your age or whatever, what does that tell you??? I'm not trying to be a dick, but it does make it kinda tuff for us...
 
i'm 20 years old about to turn 21. Didnt mean for it to look like that, i just have had ppl in the past downgrade me and tell me to not do this and shit when it is my life that's all.
 
git_er_done said:
I have been makin great strength gains over the past couple of months, but haven't added on too much weight. I take in plenty of protein and take all that shit, but i want to really get hardcore with it and stop fuckin around. I have been training for about 5 years now intense on and off...
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Haven't been adding weight...want to get really hardcore and stop fucking around. Bro, you ask the question, you're going to get judged.

My best advice? Stop fucking around, become hardcore now. Learn, yes learn how to put on the weight now. Demonstrate that knowledge and work ethic and create a body that you believe looks amazing, or damn near now - before the gear. Do this and you will be happier for the trouble.


Having said that, I bet you'll still opt for the gear. I'd look into a single compound cycle to assess how your body will react. Test at 500 mg for ten weeks (along with ancillary goodies others will doubtless fill you in on), given solid diet and training, would make a nice first cycle.

Be careful you don't end up another one of the countless dough-boys a few pounds doughier for the ordeal.
 
No offense bro but I think you should focus more on educating yourself right now and less on shortcuts cause that is what it sounds like you are looking for.

Gear is awesome if you "know" you are ready for it and "know" the right way to take it. You only get this knowlege through research and study and by keeping your ears or in this case eyes open and your mouth shut. The question you are asking is very basic and could be answered by doing a little bit of research, talking to some of they more hard core guys in your guy (I'm sure there are some), and making some changes to your program/diet.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to be a dick. What I'm trying to say is what has been said a million time over to a million diferent people on this board. Do your homework and research before you post an open ended question. All you will get is an open ended answer.

If you want to "learn all you can" start now. Take my advice and take a bit of the responsibility on yourself to self educate. Obviously you have some level of intellegence, you found your way here.

By the way, I like the name.

Later,

Gig
 
I'm with SM on this one. If you're gonna do it, test makes for a good first cycle. At your current weight, 500mg should be plenty. Eat clean and often, kick your own ass in the weight room and get lots of sleep. I like Enan, but Cyp is just as good, whatever you can find.

Protein- at least 250-275gr a day!
 
Silent Method said:
My best advice? Stop fucking around, become hardcore now. Learn, yes learn how to put on the weight now. Demonstrate that knowledge and work ethic and create a body that you believe looks amazing, or damn near now - before the gear. Do this and you will be happier for the trouble.


Having said that, I bet you'll still opt for the gear. I'd look into a single compound cycle to assess how your body will react. Test at 500 mg for ten weeks (along with ancillary goodies others will doubtless fill you in on), given solid diet and training, would make a nice first cycle.

Be careful you don't end up another one of the countless dough-boys a few pounds doughier for the ordeal.
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What he said. Listen and learn buddy. this is right on. If you do opt for the gear, which by the way I do not recomend for you right now, take heed to the warning at the end. The statement is all to true.

Gig
 
i appreciate all the help guys. i have been looking at different types and trying to learn all i can for about a month now. I just started posting on this site though. There are alot of big ass dudes in the gym but i dont want to piss them off by going and talking to them about stuff like that esp. if they don't use it. I just want to talk to someone who will take me under his wing and guide me and teach me just a for a little while. I know the workouts and how to kick my own ass. I have worked with strength trainers from different schools including the one at the one and only University of Tennessee. I just want to add something new to my workout and lifestyle. That's right lifestyle. i am not looking for a quick fix but a complete transformation. Thanks again for your help guys, i will continue to look more in depth before i start or buy anything.
 
Are the products on legalsteroids.com legit? Some sites are damn rip offs and i know that, but i just talked to this guy so said pills were ok to use for first timers. I really aint too happy about the effect it might have on my liver, but they seem to have good products. By the way i aint scared to shoot with a needle for the first time.
 
git_er_done said:
I know the workouts and how to kick my own ass. I have worked with strength trainers from different schools including the one at the one and only University of Tennessee.
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Knowing how to bust ass in the gym is great. It demonstrates the aforementioned work ethic. You said you want to add mass but have not been doing so the last few months. You also mentioned your strength gains are good, and now that you've worked with strength trainers.

If you're looking for bulk you need to train for bulk. How are you training now? How are you eating?
 
I am training for bulk right now. I train heavy and hard 5 days a week. I used to get 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight but now i am using 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. I am trying to increase my calorie intake, and eat clean and healthly. I eat almost all day long it seems like, but i am trying new things and hoping that they turn into solid mass. I am not looking to gain a bunch of weight all of a sudden, i know that might have been misleading earlier in my post. I want to add solid muscle mass, and i know some fat comes with that but i would like to minimize that. Other than that, it is all supplements and water.
 
git_er_done said:
Are the products on legalsteroids.com legit? Some sites are damn rip offs and i know that, but i just talked to this guy so said pills were ok to use for first timers. I really aint too happy about the effect it might have on my liver, but they seem to have good products. By the way i aint scared to shoot with a needle for the first time.
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First of all....nothing "legal" or "natural" is going to give you the same kind of effect as real gear.

If you're worried about your liver, then take percautions....stock up on some Milk Thistle to protect your liver.

The number one mistake that all newbies make is that they don't have anything planned for PCT. This is essential, otherwise you might as well take all your gear and blow bubbles with it...because atleast you'd have a little bit of fun blowing bubbles! (In case you don't know anything about PCT, check the sticky at the top of this forum about PCT.)

Stick around for a little bit, read what others write.....learn from other peoples mistakes.....

doing gear isn't the most healthy thing you can do....but remember...when we are old, were all ugly, and I'd rather be ugly and golfing, than ugly and in the hospital. So take care of your body and all that shit inside......think about what you're putting in to your body and if you really need it right now. It sounds like you've got the determination and drive to make this work....but only a fool jumps into a lake before checking to see how deep it is.

Don't be afaid to ask questions....just don't take offence if you don't get the answer that you're looking for.

Other than that....if you blast test-e or decca/dbol for 10 weeks you'll blow up.....then all the women will love you, you'll have all kinds of self confidence and you'll feel like king of the world......till your cycle runs out and the whole process starts all over again.....

G.I Joe couldn't have been more right.....Knowing is half the battle.
 
Lifts, sets, reps, intensity, duration, frequency, rest intervals, recovery intervals, split, comparison to previous protocol, etc...
 
There is a lot of info on this site and and endless amount all over the web. From my experience there is no right or wrong answer that any one person could give you. Sure there are common or basic knowledge that is consistent among us, but the only person who will really be able to tell what is right or wrong is you. Just take in all the info you can get your hands on and come to a decision. Take it slow and don't rush into things. There is no need to start stacking and doing a huge cycle, it is unnecessary. Test is a great starter, I did sustanon for my first cycle, at 250mg/wk for 10 weeks and it was the greatest cycle I ever did(I was 19). Start small and gain more knowledge, everyone here was in your position at one time or another.
 
The major lifts that i do are: flat, incline, and decline bench 3 x 8,6,4 , deadlifts, squats, military press (heavy), standing barbell curls (till failure) , weighted pull ups, chest and back flys, incline curls (till failure), nose breakers, donkey press, weighted dips, shrugs (till failure).....that isnt all of the things i do. Of course i don't do these in the same day, but those are some of the few things that i do. I rest 60 sec. between each set, and keep close watch on that with my watch. I lift chest on mon., bi's and back on tues., tri's and shoulders on wend., quads, hams, calves on thurs., fri. i work parts of upper body tha aren't sore. Friday is kind of my make up day of lifts that i don't think i got all i could get out of them earlier in the week. I rest on sat. and sun. I want to start lifting twice a day, but i have never done that before and don't know really the do's and don'ts of that. So there are some answers to your questions silent method. Thanks for ya'lls interest in my topic, i didn't think ppl would take notice of me this quick. I really do appreciate this guys you have no idea how much this helps.
 
Next question: You said you haven't adding on too much weight. Asside from the gear, how do you plan to address that? Do you know, specifically and in fair detail, what would happen to YOUR body if you simply up calories and continue with the same routine? Do you know, specifically and in fair detail, what would happen to YOUR body if you change your routine in a given way?

What way have you changed your routine? In what way have you previously modified your training that resulted in better mass gains?
 
git_er_done said:
i'm 20 years old about to turn 21. Didnt mean for it to look like that, i just have had ppl in the past downgrade me and tell me to not do this and shit when it is my life that's all.
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Nobody's here to put you down...if i were you, i would spend more time studying up, hit the weights and diet hard,and hold out as long as possible...good luck..
 
I am going to start doing forced reps again. Those used to work really well for me earlier in my training, but i got away from them once i got stronger. I have added weight on, but not in the way i have expected too. I guess this is a good thing, in that i have added more lean mass than fat. My bf % has gone down and my weight has increased. My goal is to be around 185 between now and mar. Thanks for ur help silent method you are making me look back at my journals from way back in the day and see what i increased alot in. I am gonna have the weight training part down believe that. I think i need to focus more on my diet, and researching the gear and what would be best for me.
 
It sounds like you have the right attitude in the gym. Believe me when I say their are many diverse ways to successfully train for mass for given individuals. You can spend a lifetime evaluating the optimal training system for yourself.

What I am trying to encourage is that you learn how to successfully build your body into something spectacular without gear. Once you've done that, responsible use of juice will put you over the top bro.

Far to many people jump in to the gear well before they are ready.
 
I understand that, that is why i came to this site and started asking questions. Thank god for people like you, that actually took the time to pay attention to the details and become interested in my topic. I am going to continue busting my ass in the gym, and get more hardcore with my intenstiy and training schemes. But i also still want to leave the option of the gear open. I don't want to cancel that thought right now, i still want to learn all i can and find what would be right for me being a first timer and everything.
 
May I suggest you do what I like to call a "dummy cycle".

Train perfectly and eat perfectly for 12 weeks. Do weight and bodyfat measurements before and after and see how you do. Treat it in your mind like a real cycle and even set a date when you will start like say October 15. Really GO FOR IT as if your on cycle. Take one week off training before the dummy cycle.

After 12 weeks how did you do, what were your exact gains?

Only after going through this should you contemplate a REAL cycle. Thats my advice and good luck!
 
deejay10 said:
" The number one mistake that all newbies make is that they don't have anything planned for PCT. This is essential, otherwise you might as well take all your gear and blow bubbles with it...because atleast you'd have a little bit of fun blowing bubbles! (In case you don't know anything about PCT, check the sticky at the top of this forum about PCT.)

Stick around for a little bit, read what others write.....learn from other peoples mistakes....."
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AMEN to that.... I couldn't agree more. I still have nightmares about my first time. Talk about making mistakes. I'm lucky I don't have a chest like Pamela Anderson.

On another note, at the risk of sounding like the dick I try hard to avoid being, I really believe that you need to grow a bit in the gym bro, both physically and psychologically. Just through reading your posts I get the feeling that you don't have as good of an understanding as you would like to think you do about what you are doing.

All of us are serious when we say to learn from the mistakes of others. No one should be in a hurry to go out and repeat the mistakes of those before them. I would definitely encourage you to do at least one dummy cycle. See if you can hang. Eat clean, train hard, rest well and grow. If you can do everything right then consider doing what you think you want to do now. Your have your whole life to make mistakes, don't make this one if you are not ready.

Additionally, I believe and this is just my belief that you need to work on educating yourself a bit more. Throughout your posts your responses to questions have been indirect and basically hacked. Take for example your response to SM about your program. I've seen this question asked a hundred times and each time the response is almost always clear, concise, and well thought out with sets, reps and exercises clearly defined. Yours was not.

My point? Once again I don't think you know as much as you think you do. My recommendation? Take at least 9mos perhaps a year to learn as much as you can. Enjoy the natural gains you will get from eating right and training hard before you jump into the super supplements. Your body will thank you for it and your gains will be much more enjoyable because your body will be begging to grow by that time.

This may be a bit harsh and if so I'm sorry but I'm just saying what you need to hear. Just be grateful you’re not a training partner of mine because I'd slap the shit out of you to make you understand that you’re not ready.

Later,

Gig
 
That idea about a dummy cycle sounds good. I am gonna try that in the next couple of weeks once i get done with the current plan i am on. I am always open to new things, i have an open mind and believe that i can never know enough about the weightroom. So no, i don't know everything about the gym, but i do know a little something. Thanks for your concern, but i do know a thing or two in the gym (not saying that i don't need to learn more). Thanks for your ideas guys, i gotta head to eat now and then train, so i will be back in a while.
 
I would wait! Thats me.
If your in college enjoy it! Your time and money are better spent on education and ass!!! These are the best years of you life. Wait until you get out of college.
I started late with AAS. I made some mistakes listening to people in the gym. Glad to see you are here with questions.
I will tell you this. I educated myself on the subject and took my time. I am 31 now. All the big guys in college are on AAS year round now and are smaller and fatter... look like shit. At most I do two ten weekers a year. I always use HCG and Clomid. I don't use a lot of stuff either. I continue to grow.. every year!
When I was in school I was tempted. I was too busy getting drunk and getting ass to do it though. It drove me nuts that there were guys who would blow up quick. I hated it. I am glad I waited. I'm sure it would drive them nuts to see me now. When I am clean I am bigger than all of them with less BF%.
Good things come to those who wait! If you don't have a girlfriend... find one or two or three. Just keep looking and having fun. Worry about size later. Take it as far as you can naturally and you will be glad you did later in life!
BTW. At 200lbs I grew like a weed on 250mgs of test a week. I would put on 20lbs!
Good Luck!
 
Thanks slat i will keep that in mind. I am not ruling anything out, and i am not going to rush into anything. I enjoy reading all the post by all the different types of views and experiences on here. I am going to continue to learn, and for now i will stay natural. Thnaks guys.
 
git_er_done said:
Thanks slat i will keep that in mind. I am not ruling anything out, and i am not going to rush into anything. I enjoy reading all the post by all the different types of views and experiences on here. I am going to continue to learn, and for now i will stay natural. Thnaks guys.
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Obviously, no-one on this board is gonna give you a hard time about doing gear, because everyone has/is going to do it. Everyone here has made mistakes and the reason this board is here is to make sure that others learn from these mistakes.

No-one will ever tell you "NO" don't do it......but they'll suggest other things that will prepare you for your cycle, and that in-turn will help you get the most for your money.

AAS can do some amazing things to your body....if they are done properly. If they are rushed and abused you'll end up with an A-cup.

You wouldn't build a lego Castle without understanding the directions....and you shouldn't do gear without understanding how to do them.
 
I don't feel like playing the moral police so I'll just tell you what is good to grab, I'm sure by now you've already been scolded several times.

Sust 250 is good if its real because it is human grade. Also for a first cycle, 500mg a week would be more than enough. Nothing else needed. Some ppl may say enanthate is better, and it is a good option as well if you can find a VERY reputable UG lab. QV seems to be a good and fairy cheap choice if you want to go vet. Really test is all you need. On all test cycles I would want to end with propionate, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one. Actually I believe I first heard it from BigAndy69, but it makes too much sense not to live by it, especially when doing 10-12 week cycles. I took a study break and smoked a joint, so I'm rambeling at this point. Here is how you should run it imo.

Week 1-10 500mg sust
Week 11-12 100mg test prop eod

or

Week 1-2 750mg test enth -or- 500mg test enth +50mg eod test prop
Week 3-10 500mg test enth
Week 11-12 100mg test prop eod

Should keep 15 lbs. if you eat and train well, plus alot of strength.
 
Thanks alot for that info. That helps out alot. I will look more into the types of gear that you just told me about. I am still looking at the post cycle recovery things so that it isnt all for nothing like i was told earlier, but i will def. look into the things you just named when i get around to it. Thanks guys!
 
It is tuff to find info on one type of gear itself besides the things that people post. Is there a site that i can compare and look at all of the different types and effects each has? Thanks
 
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